Deranged fool invades Wimbedon

Sadly, close to the moment of Andy Murray's great triumph, a small fat man felt compelled to make a complete @r$e of himself and the country he pretends to represent, and sent a millions head nodding "this is why I didn't want him to win".

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The fat man was given another drink to settle him down. No further action was deemed necessary as we don't have to hear from him again for a long time.

Politicians are politicians , its embed on their blood to make a some kinda benefit for their cause in every single thing, rather than celebrating as a United Kingdom's Win they want to politicize it.

What an imbecile.

Even within the spectrum of politicians, I find him one of the more odious.

If Serbia's president can shake hands with Djoko in the hall before the match, why can't Salmond wave the flag? Not that I like him one bit.

Fair enough but the Salmon needs to remember that this achievement is for Andy, not for Scotland or otherwise. Were just privileged to watch him.

I suspect that Salmond's embarrassingly opportunistic breach of protocol will have lost him the benefit of quite a few doubts. He really misread the moment, and I don't believe for one second that Andy is remotely interested in being a hobby-horse for either side of the referendum argument.

Opportunistic showboating imbecile...designed to also embarrass Cameron stood in front of him. It cringingly positions Murray's moment as a Scottish rather than British success...which is patriotic arrogance in the extreme. Backfiring idiot.

Salmond is a clown of the highest order looking to use anyone he can to score political points. End of story.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Salmond is a clown of the highest order looking to use anyone he can to score political points. End of story.

   Although I didn't agree with his views I used to think of Salmond as quite an astute and clever politician. But since he became First Minister I find some of the things he does cringeworthy.

Good spot BB. I thought it was ridiculously odious. This man will do anything to boost his failing independence plan

He made Cameron look some kind of cool cat in comparison - that's how bad he was  

Shall I move this to the General Discussion section?

banbrotam wrote:Good spot BB. I thought it was ridiculously odious. This man will do anything to boost his failing independence plan

He made Cameron look some kind of cool cat in comparison - that's how bad he was  

And that takes some doing. At least Cameron had the sense to take off the wrap round sunglasses he was wearing in the early afternoon - did not suit him at all.

I actually don't mind Cameron, I think he's one of the more natural personalities we've had at the top for a while - what you see is what you get. Comes across as someone if you met at a party you'd get along with

Not judging the politics - we have enough arguments on these boards;) 

What a fool.

Don't trust him Scotland.

It was very amusing, rather in bad taste but then I've never been convinced Salmon has good taste to begin with!

Scrumpy wrote:What a fool.

Don't trust him Scotland.

Don't worry I don't.  

He totally misjudged the moment which was Andy Murray's, not Alex Salmond's nationalist agenda.

Flag waving is for the crowds, not something anyone has ever seen from guests in the Royal Box until this t*sser!

banbrotam wrote:I actually don't mind Cameron, I think he's one of the more natural personalities we've had at the top for a while - what you see is what you get. Comes across as someone if you met at a party you'd get along with

Not judging the politics - we have enough arguments on these boards;) 

Disagree with this - he was a PR man before he became a politician, and it shows. Not quite as artificial as Blair, but much more image-aware than Gordon Brown or Major. Although in his defence he is a more likeable personality than the odious Osbourne (oh, and to prove this is not a party political thing, I dislike Harriet Harmon even more intensely).

What is the issue waving a Scottish flag? Isnt Andy Murray from Scotland?

He wasnt the only one waving flags:

Spoiler:

GunsGerms wrote:What is the issue waving a Scottish flag? Isnt Andy Murray from Scotland?

He wasnt the only one waving flags:

Spoiler:

Plenty of issues actually.

1. He was in the Royal Box and should have shown more decorum.

2. Andy Murray was competing for himself representing GB.

3. It was as clear as day he was looking to score more political points.

It was even more embarrassing at the Olympics last year. He was there again which I found bewildering. Murray was representing Britain and Salmond is fighting to take Scotland out of Britain. What hypocrisy.

End of rant.  

Re point 2. have you decided that Murray is representing GB and himself only or is there some rule in play that he cant represent both GB and Scotland?

Should everyone else in the crowd who waved a Scotland flag shown more decorum?

He probably was trying to make a statement but Murray is from Scotland so cant really understand the outrage.

Nope in tennis look at the initials after his name (GB) not (GB + SCO). Bear in mind I am a proud Scot myself here.

No if they wish to wave their flags then that is fine but I would hazard a guess that the Royal Box has codes of conduct which Salmond breached in a bid to score more political points and a bid to stir up more nationalist support.

No probably - he definitely was trying to make a statement.

Wimbledon is corrupt allowing these mafiosa politicians to come in and put Novak under more pressure. He must have feared for his life that's why he played so poor

I think Salmond is coming in for too much abuse on this thread.

I do think BB would appreciate this though: Shadow Scotland Office minister Willie Bain posted on Twitter: “In my experience, real tennis fans support their favourite players for who they are and how they play - let’s keep the stunts out of it.”

CaledonianCraig wrote:Nope in tennis look at the initials after his name (GB) not (GB + SCO). Bear in mind I am a proud Scot myself here.

No if they wish to wave their flags then that is fine but I would hazard a guess that the Royal Box has codes of conduct which Salmond breached in a bid to score more political points and a bid to stir up more nationalist support.

No probably - he definitely was trying to make a statement.

Yes if you are from Scotland you are oficially representing GB but that doesnt mean you arent representing Scotland too. In the Olympics much was made of the amount of medals people from Yorkshire won. Yorkshire isnt even a nation yet it didnt stop lots of fans and athletes flying the Yorkshire flag. Dont rember there being a public outcry for that.

Spoiler:

Maybe the issue was because there is some code in the royal box as you say. I am against the idea of monarchies so perhaps thats why I dont understand your POV.

I thought a much worse faux pas was how Murray forgot to give his mum a big hug when he climbed into the crowd. He seemed to hug or high five everyone else first yet she has been with him from day 1.

GunsGerms... Let the whole of GB enjoy Murray's win.

If the British have the decency to let Lisicki (of German descent) be on CC, why are such old territorial, clannish and tribal feuds being discussed when GBR should be enjoying Murray's success.

Minting political coin from sporting events is rather The whole of GBR and SCO should be proud of Murray.

Rememer Andy won, that makes him British.

It's only when he loses that he's a Scot  

laverfan wrote:GunsGerms... Let the whole of GB enjoy Murray's win.

I am and rightly so. Scotland is part of GB too lest we forget.

laverfan wrote:

If the British have the decency to let Lisicki (of German descent) be on CC, why are such old territorial, clannish and tribal feuds being discussed when GBR should be enjoying Murray's success.

Minting political coin from sporting events is rather :cry:The whole of GBR and SCO should be proud of Murray.

What has your point re Lisicki got to do with anything. Very strange comment.

Why does flying a Scottish flag have to be categorised as political rather than just proud.

Guns

A random member of the crowd waving a Scotish flag is not an issue - a politican (who has probably never played a game of tennis in his life), who is in the Royal Box because of his political position as leader of the Scottish Assembly and who is actively campaigning for Scottish independence is not just waving the flag to be proud, but is absolutely making a political statement..

dummy_half wrote:Guns

A random member of the crowd waving a Scotish flag is not an issue - a politican (who has probably never played a game of tennis in his life), who is in the Royal Box because of his political position as leader of the Scottish Assembly and who is actively campaigning for Scottish independence is not just waving the flag to be proud, but is absolutely making a political statement..

I know who he is alright but I think too much is being made of it. Politicians constantly piggyback sporting sucess for their own gains. Not a fan of it but nothing new here.

GunsGerms wrote:

laverfan wrote:GunsGerms... Let the whole of GB enjoy Murray's win.

I am and rightly so. Scotland is part of GB too lest we forget.

I have seen a constant desire to see Murray as a divisive and distinguishing factor regarding SCO and GBR. I would much rather see it as a uniting factor.

GunsGerms wrote:

laverfan wrote:
If the British have the decency to let Lisicki (of German descent) be on CC, why are such old territorial, clannish and tribal feuds being discussed when GBR should be enjoying Murray's success.

Minting political coin from sporting events is rather :cry:The whole of GBR and SCO should be proud of Murray.

What has your point re Lisicki got to do with anything. Very strange comment.

A sporting event should be left alone and outside the political sphere.

GunsGerms wrote:Why does flying a Scottish flag have to be categorised as political rather than just proud.

In political hands (like Salmond's), it leaves room for ambiguity, but an ordinary citizen in the CC holding it has lesser political, and more an appreciative connotation. I am unsure how you can say the objective is Scottish Pride and not another political motive.

Both GBR and SCO should be proud of this boy from Dunblane.

PS: Was Cameron waving a GBR flag? I do not recall seeing one.

Cameron was wearing union jack underpants. I guarentee it.

I agree with the bringing people together idea. Its a good thing.

I hate the idea of mixing sport with politics or religion alright but sometimes its inevitable.

dummy_half wrote:Guns

A random member of the crowd waving a Scotish flag is not an issue - a politican (who has probably never played a game of tennis in his life), who is in the Royal Box because of his political position as leader of the Scottish Assembly and who is actively campaigning for Scottish independence is not just waving the flag to be proud, but is absolutely making a political statement..

What he said. +1

What really amuses me is how often Andy Murray dodges the question of representing this or that (except, naturally, at the Olympics).

Be in no doubt; he represents HIMSELF and nothing else. That's how these top guys think. They might do the PR and give a sop to the masses, but deep down its #1 first and last. Just as it should be.

Politicians are mostly frauds and control freaks. Cameron's playing the knighthood card, but I give him credit for having a big more class than the fool Salmond.

bogbrush wrote:What really amuses me is how often Andy Murray dodges the question of representing this or that (except, naturally, at the Olympics).

Be in no doubt; he represents HIMSELF and nothing else. That's how these top guys think. They might do the PR and give a sop to the masses, but deep down its #1 first and last. Just as it should be.

Politicians are mostly frauds and control freaks. Cameron's playing the knighthood card, but I give him credit for having a big more class than the fool Salmond.

Murray is right to dodge the question. He will be able to dine out on this victory for the rest of his life in Britain as will members of his family when he is gone. Why alienate any of your fans by rejecting your Britishness or Scotishness etc?

bogbrush wrote:What really amuses me is how often Andy Murray dodges the question of representing this or that (except, naturally, at the Olympics).

Be in no doubt; he represents HIMSELF and nothing else. That's how these top guys think. They might do the PR and give a sop to the masses, but deep down its #1 first and last. Just as it should be.

Politicians are mostly frauds and control freaks. Cameron's playing the knighthood card, but I give him credit for having a big more class than the fool Salmond.

You're right on him representing himself of course, and the GBR next to his name is irrelevant as it's an individual tournament.

Nevertheless, no-one lives in a vacuum and it's possible to do something entirely for yourself but be aware of others' expectations on you and be happy that you've met those expectations. In that regard, I think he'll be happy to have met the expectations of people in his home town, his Scottish fans and British fans probably to varying degrees (I expect for Dunblane most of all).

It was also odd that after winning the match point, he ended up facing the press seats (by chance I believe) where all the UK correspondants were and celebrated with them - whether you like the focus they've given him or not, they've been a big part of his life for 8 years and I'm sure he was happy that he'd met their expectations too.

I don't have a problem with people celebrating a Scot winning by waving their saltires, but Salmond did make himself look rather crass by doing so and I doubt it will help his cause at all.

barrystar wrote:I suspect that Salmond's embarrassingly opportunistic breach of protocol will have lost him the benefit of quite a few doubts.  He really misread the moment, and I don't believe for one second that Andy is remotely interested in being a hobby-horse for either side of the referendum argument.

So basically I agree with this.

The is where all controversy steps in, if Tennis is decided as individual sport and players are selected based on merit and not on the country of citizenship then why put the Country Initials next to the players name?  why haven't ATP taken steps to remove the country initials next to players name?

Andy Murray is currently in Downing Street at a reception with the British PM amongst others. Is the general consensus that this is another example of a politician piggy backing the sucess of a sporting icon or just a privilege that all greats should be afforded?

Yep, politicians have always acted this way, they love to be riding the crest of a wave of anything positive going on.

Poor guy's been on the go since the match finished yesterday, and now having to endure at reception in Downing Street? I want to say just let him go home to sleep, but then I guess that his management company are trying to milk this for all that they can -seize the publicity moment and all that.

Yeah, it's the same. Just done a bit more classily. Same though.

Cameron did have Ed Milliband quaffing champagne in the garden of No 10 with AM so I don't think he was trying to lay ownership in quite the same way as Alex Salmond - your country is proud of you, rather than just the Tory party are proud of you.

But broadly agree, politicians flock to great news like wasps to a pot of jam.