Current British P4P Top 10 - From Sky Sports

From last month on Sky Sports.


http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/11067/8708698/british-p4p-rankings



1.Carl Froch

2.Ricky Burns

3.David Haye

4.Amir Khan

5.Nathan Cleverly

6.Jamie McDonnell

7.Matthew Macklin

8.Martin Murray

9.Kell Brook

10.Scott Quigg

Bahahah

What? No Fury??? Are they mad???

Jamie McDonnell?! Eh?

This is a joke list.


Mine would be:

Carl Froch
Ricky Burns
Amir Khan
David Haye
Nathan Cleverley
Martin Murray
Matthew Macklin
Carl Frampton
Scott Quigg
Tyson Fury

No chance Kell Brook or this McDonnell fella deserve to be in here. Both have fought absolute nobodies. McDonnell fought one okay fighter for a vacant strap.

When will any of our British fighters actually fight a legitimate World champ for a belt?

Like Carl Froch who fought Jean Pascal and then regained title against Mikkel Kessler?

Or David Haye who defeated Nikoli Valuev for the title.

Cleverley fought a nobody as did McDonnell. Funnily enough Scott Quigg is about to do the same and will no doubt be paraded around like a world champion when in actual fact that right belongs to none other then Rigondeux as far as in aware!

At least Macklin and Murray attempted to to fight the best in Golovkin, Martinez and Sturm.

Ceja was a decent fighter and this was a good win and an excellent fight for McDonnell. He more than deserves his place in there. Not sure how you can slag that fight off and then praise Carl's win over Pascal for a vacant strap.

Very generous to Cleverly, can't see how Frampton is not on the list?! Wonder if his defection has anything to do with it.......

Got the #1 right at least I suppose......

Time will tell Rowley. Pascal has gone on to be Light Heavy world champ and had previously ran Hopkins to a draw and defeated Chad Dawson. Both were quality fighters. He also had a war with Froch who has gone on to great things after that fight. Lets see if Ceja can do the same or better still, fight at a decent level at all. I doubt it. An undefeated fighter, smashed pumpkins in his back yard and then fights McDonnell and is automatically billed as a "quality operator" when clearly he is not.

I watched the McDonell fight, don't need to look at his record to see he was no mug. He knew what he was doing in there. Genuinely do not see on either record or achievement a case can be made for ten British guys ranking above Jamie. The likes of Murray and Macklin's standing for instance appears to be based on losing to good fighters. With the greatest of respect to them I could do that.

Audley Harrison
Michael Sprott
John McDermott
Matt Skelton

They're my favourites.

You probably could do that Rowley. Would be interesting to see how you did though in comparison.

Murray beat Martinez in my eyes, knocked him down twice and also drew with Sturm. Macklin pushed Martinez close (don't think he knocked Martinez down) until he was stopped late on. No shame in being smashed by Golovkin.

they have both been in massive fights, headlined big fights and have a very good reputation (more so Macklin with his US appearances).

I just feel they are that much better and have fought at higher levels for longer.

Murray may have lost against Martinez but i think he won clearly. Same with Macklin vs Sturm. Had these results not been about boxing politics we would have two more world champions on this list and a possible unification fight.

where do people rate Darren Barker?

In all fairness getting down to middleweight could be an issue for me. To be honest would not have any massive issue with someone have Murray above Jamie, but certainly cannot see an argument for having Fury above him and think it would be fairly generous to have Frampton above him. Fury's best win is probably Chisora and that was some time ago personally see nothing in his recent form to justify him being above McDonnell.

So punching out pillow punching Steve Molitor who got a contentious decision over Booth puts Frampton on a list ???

Quigg's win over Munroe was much more convincing..

Think Haye should be at number 2......Burns who's he beat in comparison..

I understand where your coming from Rowley but Chisora, Cuunningham and soon to be Haye are, in fairness, ten times better than anyone Jamie has got in the ring with.

Trussman, whilst i agree that Molitor wasn't great, his knockout of Kiko was better than Quiggs of dustbin man Munroe, who was also a punching bag.

I agree that Haye is in contention for number two but until he gets that world title back then will see.

Burns needs to step up his opposition in a side note.

Not overly excited about Cunningham, an ageing fairly ordinary former cruiser does not really set the pulse racing for me. Also cannot give him credit for a fight he has not taken yet. Also if we are going to still praise him for Chisora we have to throw the likes of Rogan and Maddalone in the mix as they came after that one, and they are both god awful and a good step below those Jamie was fighting in defence of his euro belt and to earn his title shot.

Why put in dustbin man ????

Are you better than a dustbin man...No need my friend..pretty poor stuff !!

True Rowley, but Cunningham whilst yes is a blown up Cruiser, so is Haye and Adamek (the latter i believe should have lost against USS). Chisora may have been out of shape for the fight, but he was in talks to fight Wladamir for his belt and has since went in to beat Helenius (joke decision), Malik Scott, pushed Haye in a cracker and also had a good showing against Vitali. I agree that 70% of furys opposition has been complete garbage, but for me, he has fought better opposition than Jamie and if he beats Haye (which i don't think he will) he would jump up the ratings for sure.

Sorry Trussman you misinterpreted what i meant.

His nickname as in aware is the dustbin man.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So punching out pillow punching Steve Molitor who got a contentious decision over Booth puts Frampton on a list ???

Quigg's win over Munroe was much more convincing..

Think Haye should be at number 2......Burns who's he beat in comparison..

Kiko Martinez??

HTF can Fury be in any top 10 list....Stretched by an old cruiser with a 25-5......record......Come on..

Just felt it unnecessary but If you didn't mean it to be derogatory then apologies for the misinterpretation..

Monroe was a better win for me...than Kiko..

Or two tone. Something like that. But i watched a documentary on him not long ago and he referred to himself as the boxing binman.

no shame in that, Fury calls himself a Gypsy, so makes no difference.

he probably earns more than me anyway so it was in no shape a dig at bin men.

Fury sneaks in for me just based on Chisora Cunninghan and soon to be Haye. Yes he was dropped, but he got up and beat him so kudos for that.

He may be a very average talent, but he has fought better names (if you include Haye) then everyone else below Macklin on my list, in my opinion.

Chisora was 19 stone and 6 ft..............

We just need Az to wade into this debate, sure he'd find a way to get Fury into his top 5......

Mike Tyson was 5ft 11 so i don't understand your point

Furysuppercut wrote:Mike Tyson was 5ft 11 so i don't understand your point

Leave it out.

Think the point is for a guy of 6ft to be carrying 19 stone tells you everything you need to know about his conditioning and the sort of training he had put in.

Rowley wrote:Think the point is for a guy of 6ft to be carrying 19 stone tells you everything you need to know about his conditioning and the sort of training he had put in.

Fancy you biting at that one.

I'm bored Truss.

Rowley wrote:I'm bored Truss.

There is a superman vs Batman thread in the film section..for you to relieve yourself of that predicament..

Ahhh sorry been a long morning didn't know what you were hinting at sorry!

Yes, he was very much out of shape i agree.

Furysuppercut wrote:Ahhh sorry been a long morning didn't know what you were hinting at sorry!

Yes, he was very much out of shape i agree.

I believe you... 

Course you do Trussman.....i almost believe myself.....

1. Froch
2. Khan
3. Burns
4. Haye
5. Brook
6. Cleverly
7. Murray
8. Frampton
9. Groves
10. Quigg

hazharrison wrote:1. Froch
2. Khan
3. Burns
4. Haye
5. Brook
6. Cleverly
7. Murray
8. Frampton
9. Groves
10. Quigg

Good list.....You rate Brook very highly......Khan and Haye too...You obviously put a lot on past achievements..

As I do...

Murray too high for me though..

hazharrison wrote:1. Froch
2. Khan
3. Burns
4. Haye
5. Brook
6. Cleverly
7. Murray
8. Frampton
9. Groves
10. Quigg

Wow, you really do rate Khan highly!! 2 losses on the bounce (albeit one a distasteful one), neither to a divisional #1, then a comeback fight before eeking out a very close decision against an old recent LW who still managed to put him on his backside.

Still top5 for me, but cannot be #2 after that recent run. Probably #1 after Judah, but he's got to have slipped since then.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:1. Froch
2. Khan
3. Burns
4. Haye
5. Brook
6. Cleverly
7. Murray
8. Frampton
9. Groves
10. Quigg

Wow, you really do rate Khan highly!! 2 losses on the bounce (albeit one a distasteful one), neither to a divisional #1, then a comeback fight before eeking out a very close decision against an old recent LW who still managed to put him on his backside.

Still top5 for me, but cannot be #2 after that recent run.  Probably #1 after Judah, but he's got to have slipped since then.

Haz is rating him on his achievements I expect....Burns got slappe off a no-name last time out albeit coming through....Murray lost his last fight..

Cleverly has fought stiffs..

I can see his rationale..

how can you knock Burns for getting 'slapped off a no name' and not count getting smacked on his backside but an equally un-credible opponent?

equally, you must be ignoring the Peterson loss in order to further boost Khan, which is not consistent with not crediting Murray for the Martinez performance which, had it not been for bad refereeing (falsely calling a kd a slip) he would've won.

if you're only going to pick boxers career highlights and totally ignore recent form then these lists are utterly redundant.

TopHat24/7 wrote:how can you knock Burns for getting 'slapped off a no name' and not count getting smacked on his backside but an equally un-credible opponent?

equally, you must be ignoring the Peterson loss in order to further boost Khan, which is not consistent with not crediting Murray for the Martinez performance which, had it not been for bad refereeing (falsely calling a kd a slip) he would've won.

if you're only going to pick boxers career highlights and totally ignore recent form then these lists are utterly redundant.

Calm down..............Khan has a better record than Burns.....Paulie, Judah and Maidana are still at the top of the game!!

When Burns matches wins like these he can go higher.........Sure Khan's lost but his achievements far outweigh Burns......

Might as well dump Manny out of p4p lists too..

Picking and choosing again Truss I see...

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Picking and choosing again Truss I see...

It's a list people pick and choose.....Guess Rogan is in your list with frampton at number 1..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:how can you knock Burns for getting 'slapped off a no name' and not count getting smacked on his backside but an equally un-credible opponent?

equally, you must be ignoring the Peterson loss in order to further boost Khan, which is not consistent with not crediting Murray for the Martinez performance which, had it not been for bad refereeing (falsely calling a kd a slip) he would've won.

if you're only going to pick boxers career highlights and totally ignore recent form then these lists are utterly redundant.

Calm down..............Khan has a better record than Burns.....Paulie, Judah  and Maidana are still at the top of the game!!

When Burns matches wins like these he can go higher.........Sure Khan's lost but his achievements far outweigh Burns......

Might as well dump Manny out of p4p lists too..

Is Manny still #2 in any p4p list? No. And neither should Khan be. You cannot ignore recent form. Agree Paulie, Judah & Maidana are better, which is why I said he was #1 THEN, but NOW must reflect what's happened since. Or you may as well stick Ricky bloody Hatton in there.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Picking and choosing again Truss I see...

It's a list people pick and choose.....Guess Rogan is in your list with frampton at number 1..

 

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:how can you knock Burns for getting 'slapped off a no name' and not count getting smacked on his backside but an equally un-credible opponent?

equally, you must be ignoring the Peterson loss in order to further boost Khan, which is not consistent with not crediting Murray for the Martinez performance which, had it not been for bad refereeing (falsely calling a kd a slip) he would've won.

if you're only going to pick boxers career highlights and totally ignore recent form then these lists are utterly redundant.

Calm down..............Khan has a better record than Burns.....Paulie, Judah  and Maidana are still at the top of the game!!

When Burns matches wins like these he can go higher.........Sure Khan's lost but his achievements far outweigh Burns......

Might as well dump Manny out of p4p lists too..

Is Manny still #2 in any p4p list? No. And neither should Khan be.  You cannot ignore recent form.  Agree Paulie, Judah & Maidana are better, which is why I said he was #1 THEN, but NOW must reflect what's happened since.  Or you may as well stick Ricky bloody Hatton in there.

I'm not ignoring recent form.............Just think the form has to be a little bit better to supplant a guy with such a good resume....

Burns recent form has been good ?? or did we watch the same fight..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:how can you knock Burns for getting 'slapped off a no name' and not count getting smacked on his backside but an equally un-credible opponent?

equally, you must be ignoring the Peterson loss in order to further boost Khan, which is not consistent with not crediting Murray for the Martinez performance which, had it not been for bad refereeing (falsely calling a kd a slip) he would've won.

if you're only going to pick boxers career highlights and totally ignore recent form then these lists are utterly redundant.

Calm down..............Khan has a better record than Burns.....Paulie, Judah  and Maidana are still at the top of the game!!

When Burns matches wins like these he can go higher.........Sure Khan's lost but his achievements far outweigh Burns......

Might as well dump Manny out of p4p lists too..

Is Manny still #2 in any p4p list? No. And neither should Khan be.  You cannot ignore recent form.  Agree Paulie, Judah & Maidana are better, which is why I said he was #1 THEN, but NOW must reflect what's happened since.  Or you may as well stick Ricky bloody Hatton in there.

Agree TopHat.

It baffles me to see people keep Manny in the top 5 of their P4P lists. The way it is usually viewed is their achievements over the past 12 months or so. But Manny still seems to float around peoples lists due to his career. Nonsense.

Khan was up there and he will more than likely be number one in the future if he makes the defensive adjustments. But right now he is prbably at the lowest point of his career. 1 "either way" close loss and a complete battering from Garcia. Since then 2 wins against opponents that are about level with the tripe Ricky Burns has faced so how Khan can be above Burns is a mystery whenever Burn's at least holds a belt.

Using Maidana as a point for Khan to be on an UPDATED P4P list?? It was years ago. The list is *updated*.

Silly reasoning.

Roy Jones Jr must still be in your Top 10 P4P Truss, good win over Hopkins a few years ago eh?

I haven't got Manny top 5.........Still in the top 10 though........

People forget Petersen was a no contest in all but name and he was slapping Garcia before the lottery win..

Jones is at 11....with curry 12..

Slapping Garcia for 2 rounds?

Flipside, it took Garcia about 8 minutes to figure him out, on top of that Khan couldn't even make a dent in those 8 minutes. He got embarrassed.

I'll agree that the Peterson loss was a mess, ref, judges, scorecards etc all seemed to be pro Peterson. Thought Khan won by a round. Plus Peterson's use of the pellets was a stinker, but Khan still should have walked that fight, instead of lying against the ropes and letting Peterson do his thing.

Manny aint top 10 no more, he's finished, rolled like a drunk against a fat lightweight  

I've Barry McG at 11. Some night against Pedroza that was

But this is my point, you're excusing Khan's losses but then not crediting Murray for what should've been a win against Martinez - which would've been a better win than anything in Khan's career.

Tbh, I still have Manny top 10, just lower than he was 12 months ago. One swallow does not a summer make....

I'm not excusing Khan's defeats.......Who has Murray beaten........I'm not holding Murray's defeat and draw against him either..He hasn't enough on the plus side for top 10!!....Khan has.