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Jack Nicklaus Says Today's Golf Ball to Blame for Slow Play
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Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719415-nicklaus-says-todays-golf-ball-to-blame-for-slow-play
Jack talking a lot of sense there, do others think he is onto something?
Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719415-nicklaus-says-todays-golf-ball-to-blame-for-slow-play
Kathy Bissell, Bleacher Repor wrote:When describing the length of the Sunday round at the 1983 Kemper Open, former CBS announcer Ben Wright said something like "See those ducks? They were mere eggs at the beginning of today."
Slow play, until recently, was one of the least discussed and most annoying aspects of golf. Now, it's getting attention mainly because a 14-year-old amateur from China, Tianlang Guan, and a 21-year-old professional from Japan, Hideki Matsuyama, received penalty strokes for slow play at majors this season. In addition, the USGA has taken up the banner of eliminating slow play.
It's not uncommon for multiple groups to be stacked up on par-threes at PGA Tour events. But ironically enough, it's the six-hour rounds on Thursdays and Fridays at the U.S. Open, run by the USGA, that are the worst offenders every year.
Why is play so slow? No one seems to know for certain, but Jack Nicklaus has a theory.
"It's not just the players that cause the slow play," Nicklaus contends. "It's the difficulty of the golf course, the length of the golf course and the distance the golf ball goes, and you're playing a lot of golf course, and it takes more time."
Par has even changed as far as most tournament golf courses are concerned. The USGA used to have established lengths for holes. The longest par-three was supposed to be 155 yards. Par-fives used to start when a hole was 475. Everything in between was a par-four. Today, there are 220-yard par-threes and 500-plus-yard par-fours. And who-knows-what par-fives.
Nicklaus said difficult conditions, which could be anything from wind to high rough, can also cause play to slow. But he blames one thing in particular.
"The main culprit (in) slow play, to me, is the golf ball and the distance the golf ball goes," he said. "Golf, it used to take three hours, three and a half hours, British Open, you used to play the last round in three hours or less. Today they take close to five hours."
One reason for longer times during majors, according to Nicklaus and anybody who plays in them, is the difficulty of the setup.
"The more time it takes to play it, the harder it is on the public to watch and the harder it is to manage and the harder it is for the pros to become role models for the young people watching who are going to say, I'm going to emulate a pro and copy what he does. And all of a sudden that kid takes five hours, five-and a half hours, and it just sort of escalates right through the game," Nicklaus added.
Nicklaus pointed to the golf ball as a fix. When the ball started going longer and straighter, courses had to be lengthened for the professionals to be able to play holes in the same measure of par without scores dropping into the low 60s. Some older courses were made obsolete for professional play because of the distance professionals can hit with today's equipment. That does not apply to average players, just to low-handicap amateurs and professionals.
Nicklaus does not see manufacturers being willing to change the way golf clubs are made or to go back to early metal wood days, and that is another reason he focuses on the ball.
"If we went back and left equipment alone but changed the golf ball and brought it back, you played a shorter golf course, not only from the Tour standpoint would it be good, but a shorter golf course all through the game would mean less maintenance cost, less cost to play the game, quicker play, less land, less fertilizer, less everything, which would make the game more economical," he said.
You have to admit, he's got a point.
The modern standard for golf is the PGA Tour, which is ridiculously slow for threesomes. But according to PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem, a part of the issue is the number of players on the course each week.
"The question really is, whether we put 146 or 156 players on a golf course playing for $7 million, and we're teeing them off every eight minutes all day long, and we are clearing the decks at the end of the day at dark and often pushing our field sizes so much that we have a wait at the turn, does that relate to the average game?" he asked.
He does not think it does.
"When we cut, on the weekend, and we go to—let's say we have got 70 and ties and we are at 74—then we are playing, what, if we play in twos, we are probably playing in 3:45."
Still, twosomes: three hours and 45 minutes.
Amateurs want to be like tour pros, and many tour pros do not seem to play quickly, although their job is just to keep up with the group in front of them. Then add drops and lost balls and rulings, which add time to a round.
At the PGA Tour level, the best solution is one the PGA Tour is loath to adopt: smaller fields.
"We elect not to do that, because as much as we like to see a stronger pace of play, the playing opportunities for the number of players we have had are more important," Finchem said. "We'll generate the playing opportunities first and take our lumps second. It's as simple as that."
Even Jack Nicklaus admits to being considered a slow player early in his career.
Joe Black, formerly of the PGA of America, the organization that ran the professional tournaments when Nicklaus first turned pro, brought pace of play to Nicklaus's attention and gave him a solution to speed up.
Black told Nicklaus he was waiting until other players were done with a shot before preparing for his shots from the fairway. He told Nicklaus the same thing was happening on the green. Nicklaus told Black he was trying to be courteous but learned to do as Black suggested. Because Nicklaus was a long hitter, once he got off the tee, he usually hit last from the fairway, so that gave him additional time to study his next shot.
"I started doing all my preparation before my shot while the other guys were hitting their shot," Nicklaus said. "When I got on the green, I start walking around the green, and I found out that it didn't bother the other players. So I stopped becoming a slow player and I became a player who managed what his problems were, and managed it so I could fit in with the field. I think that's what the players have to do."
Nicklaus still believes the target for the pace of play should be the golf ball and said the problem is being studied.
"Whatever answer they come to, I'm not sure exactly how they are going to come about it, but the game of golf needs to be played quicker," he concluded.
Jack talking a lot of sense there, do others think he is onto something?
McLaren- Posts : 17630
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Re: Jack Nicklaus Says Today's Golf Ball to Blame for Slow Play
nice outcome john but is there anything more annoying than rangers on a golf course?
I am sure in theory they are a good idea but they seem to attract the most jumped up types. The sort of people who fail to get into the police or another emergency service.
Why do things like the surface a buggy is on only seem to matter so much in golf?
I am sure in theory they are a good idea but they seem to attract the most jumped up types. The sort of people who fail to get into the police or another emergency service.
Why do things like the surface a buggy is on only seem to matter so much in golf?
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Re: Jack Nicklaus Says Today's Golf Ball to Blame for Slow Play
One of the old boys I play with used to be a course ranger. He got fired for being a miserable so-and-so. Goes with the territory I s'pose.
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Re: Jack Nicklaus Says Today's Golf Ball to Blame for Slow Play
The average round for a 4 ball on a Sat/Sun morning is about 4 1/2 hours which I accept isn't great and given a choice would prefer it to be quicker and not to have to wait on any shots. There is a fair amount of faffing going on and as someone who takes zero practice swings and rarely lines up putts I accept I'm going to have to wait for those who do.
What I will say though is I find it far more irritating having people behind who are hassling us (when quite obviously we're being held up ourselves) than I ever do waiting for people in front who are obviously enjoying their game.
I echo the thoughts on course rangers. Anyone who's willing to spend time trying to spoil the fun of others (even if they bull sh!t they're doing it to benefit everyone) rather than play themselves has to be some sort of pillock.
What I will say though is I find it far more irritating having people behind who are hassling us (when quite obviously we're being held up ourselves) than I ever do waiting for people in front who are obviously enjoying their game.
I echo the thoughts on course rangers. Anyone who's willing to spend time trying to spoil the fun of others (even if they bull sh!t they're doing it to benefit everyone) rather than play themselves has to be some sort of pillock.
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Which is why I've just deleted them.Bob_the_Job wrote:Like a lot of sexual acts, doing it with a willing partner is not vulgar. Talking about it out of context on an open golf forum probably would be considered so.
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Hibbz wrote:What I will say though is I find it far more irritating having people behind who are hassling us (when quite obviously we're being held up ourselves) than I ever do waiting for people in front who are obviously enjoying their game.
Absolutely. Unfortunately not a rare breed on a golf course. I mentioned one such individual a couple of weeks ago to the pro after the game and turns out he was an ex-captain who is always acting like a petulant child on the golf course - no doubt because he's a crap golfer. Sad that these people are 'rewarded' and held up as club representatives despite acting like complete planks. One of the guys in our group was all for letting them through just to make a point as he was getting so effed off with the temper-tantrums going on behind us on every shot. If it's slow, its best to adjust your pace accordingly. Keep up with the group in front of course, but don't rush every shot just for the sake of pressurising the group ahead. Unfortunately many don't seem to understand the difference between keeping up and hassling.
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Another skill to learn.
Badly.
Still, need to work on it today. Down as a 3 ball in the morning sea of 4 balls tomorrow...
Badly.
Still, need to work on it today. Down as a 3 ball in the morning sea of 4 balls tomorrow...
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