2013 Summer Transfer Window Thread is continued...again

by **Crimey** Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:13 am

First topic message reminder :

Four days left of the transfer window and still Arsenal, Manchester United and Newcastle still aren't moving quickly. The Bale deal still hasn't gone through, there is still speculation that Real Madrid may go back in for Suarez and Arsenal could break the transfer record. Tottenham have also decided to sign everybody.

Available at the moment seems to be a list of the players who were the best in the world five years ago:

Kaka
Fernando Torres
Samuel Eto'o (until yesterday)

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:26 pm

The Spurs fans I know think hes good but not a world beater. How vary dare they!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:47 pm

Not a lot of talk on here about United's apparent bid for De Rossi

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:00 pm

Fresh off having a €30m bid rejected by Athletic Bilbao for Ander Herrera, Manchester United have also been snubbed by Roma midfielder De Rossi.

Just copied and pasted it off 101greatgoals.com. Obviously, not sure if it's reliable but I can't see him leaving Roma for Man U. If he went anywhere, it would of been to link up with Mancini and that never materialised. Chelsea & Mourinho would be a better option in my opinion but I think he'll stay put.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:05 pm

United getting closer to signing Fellaini, Herrera bid rejected

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:11 pm

Hang on, £25m for Herrera and people are having a go at £20m for Fellaini? Shocked

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:14 pm

His release clause is about 36m euros, which is what Bilbao will demand

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:20 pm

I'd pay £40m for Fellaini before I paid £25m for Herrera. That's how I'd estimate his worth.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:27 pm

Herreras a good player, and would fill a void for United, but 25m is silly money

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:29 pm

I actually would say, domestically Fellaini would be a better option than Herrera and it appears they will go down that route now. Moyes will only be judged domestically for the first two years, therefore buying Fellaini is probably going to be a better option, offers versatility, physical presence and knows and understands the league. I think there are better options, further down the line for Moyes to improve the side in Europe. I mean players like Reus could be available next summer.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:33 pm

Reus will probably go Chelsea given the rate they're accumulating attacking players.

They're sending Atsu on loan to Vitesse.

by TopHat24/7 Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:37 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I'd pay £40m for Fellaini before I paid £25m for Herrera. That's how I'd estimate his worth.

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:52 pm

Who's Herrarra? Apart from being our 915th choice transfer target this summer

I honestly don't think Ed Woodward could finish his dinner, let alone an incoming transfer

by **Afro** Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:56 pm

Even I would go for Herrera over Fellaini tbh Azzy.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:14 pm

Phil McNulty ‏[ltr]@philmcnulty[/ltr]8s
RT: @HLNinEngeland Marouane #Fellaini has asked Roberto #Martinez to let him go to #MUFC. But he didn't put in a formal transfer request.

by Ent Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:15 pm

Fellani is cack, I'd rather sign nobody. Out current midfielders are better than him in our current system.

God what a horrible transfer window this has been and it further illustrates the folly of so many influential people leaving at the same time. David gill would have either got one of these moves done or been subtle about it.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:17 pm

Cleverley is poop. Give me Fellaini anyday

by The Special Juan Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:18 pm

De Rossi. The worst "rumour" I have ever heard. I'll eat my hat if that one is true, which it isn't.

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:20 pm

I personally think it's a horrible fit - Fellaini at United. It's pure desperation, easy dealings going back to your old team, same with Martinez going back for Kone, Alcaraz. He's even lining up McCarthy as Fellaini's replacement. To me, this stinks of small time managers hitting the big time and there out of their depth. Struggling in the market is a sign of that, especially going from having no money to then being able to splash the cash. Fellaini to United looks a done deal to me. I think he'll offer more to united domestically, where Moyes is going to be judged and that's the important point. Expressive, technically gifted players to improve United's team will probably come next year, once moyes is settled.

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:20 pm

Ent wrote:Fellani is cack, I'd rather sign nobody. Out current midfielders are better than him in our current system.

That's the funniest thing I've read on this site, possibly ever. Regardless of your perception of Fellaini's abilities, there is no way that Cleverley, sick note Fletcher, old man Giggs, one good game a season Anderson or Nick Powell are anywhere near Fellaini's class.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:22 pm

Whats wrong with going for Kone. Cheap striker who had a productive debut PL season.

Seems to be a preconception on this site that because Fellaini is tall, hes therefore also immobile, clumsy and technically lacking. A fallacy.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:23 pm

Kaka supposedly negotiating with Milan and 2 PL sides.

Wouldnt surprise me if Citeh were 1.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:23 pm

GSC wrote:Whats wrong with going for Kone. Cheap striker who had a productive debut PL season.

Seems to be a preconception on this site that because Fellaini is tall, hes therefore also immobile, clumsy and technically lacking. A fallacy.

That. 100x that.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:26 pm

Even if you don't think Fellaini adds much, thats more than Cleverley who offers sod all. Verges into Joe Allen levels of pointlessness.

by **Crimey** Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:30 pm

GSC wrote:Kaka supposedly negotiating with Milan and 2 PL sides.

Wouldnt surprise me if Citeh were 1.

It's probably Tottenham and Chelsea, both of them are desperate for an attacking midfielder.

by Bull Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:31 pm

Gona throw it out there randomly Laugh

Kaka to sign for Southampton

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:32 pm

United wanted him last summer, but he'd obviously struggle for playing time with Kagawa occupying all 11 spots

by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:34 pm

GSC wrote:United wanted him last summer, but he'd obviously struggle for playing time with Kagawa occupying all 11 spots

by Bull Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:37 pm

GSC wrote:United wanted him last summer, but he'd obviously struggle for playing time with Kagawa occupying all 11 spots

I don't get it..

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:51 pm

I'm not stating Fellaini is useless, he's a very effective player in this league and domestically he's a far superior signing to Herrera, who is an unknown commodity and would take time to adapt, unlike Fellaini. He'll be a good domestic signing and will do a job, however United fans seem to think they should be attracting world class AM's, when in fact United have dropped down the European club powerhouse list over recent times, hence why they can't attract the top echelon of AM's to the club. I don't think Fellaini suits United's style and fluidity of play, however Fellaini is superior to Anderson, Giggs and the appalling Cleverley, so United fans should just be happy with that. The more exciting, technically gifted, European effective players should come next season, when the Moyes reign is shifted to European success, instead of this season being solely judged domestically.

Surely you agree on that?

by TopHat24/7 Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:54 pm

Who have they dropped behind, John?

Are they still top for the UK at least or would you say Chelski and Citeh are ahead?

by jbeadlesbigrighthand Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:01 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Phil McNulty ‏
[ltr]@philmcnulty[/ltr]
8s
RT: @HLNinEngeland Marouane #Fellaini has asked Roberto #Martinez to let him go to #MUFC. But he didn't put in a formal transfer request.

This p*sses me off no end. If you want to leave the club, then put in a transfer request. The only reason they don't is that they wouldn't get their loyalty bonus.

by **Crimey** Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:04 pm

Tiago Ilori and Sakho both due in Liverpool for medicals over the next couple of days. Happy with the Ilori signing who is one of the most promising young defenders in Portugal, but can't understand the Sakho signing. He's a left-sided defender but isn't going to oust Agger who is the vice-captain, he won't play left back as Liverpool rely too heavily on full backs for width, particularly down the left, but at £13 million seems too expensive just to keep on the bench. Especially as he's moving for first team football.

Manchester United could very well be Skrtel's last game for the club then.

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:06 pm

Money talks nowadays and United don't appear to want to challenge other major European teams, they lack that ambition to go the 'extra mile' and get a player. City & Chelsea have bought genuine quality, potentially world class players. United have not and have stagnated. Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, Chelsea, PSG & Manchester City, in my opinion are all ahead of United. Where do the top players want to go, this summer's activity is evidence of that.

by Ent Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:08 pm

You don't spend £25 + million on somebody because they are better than cleverly (debatable).

Being tall works both ways people are surprised at any technique and utter the 'for a big man' nonsense. It's either good or it isn't and IMO fellani s isn't.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:12 pm

John wrote:Money talks nowadays and United don't appear to want to challenge other major European teams, they lack that ambition to go the 'extra mile' and get a player. City & Chelsea have bought genuine quality, potentially world class players. United have not and have stagnated. Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, Chelsea, PSG & Manchester City, in my opinion are all ahead of United. Where do the top players want to go, this summer's activity is evidence of that.

Chelsea, Man City and PSG are not. I dont think you have any evidence of that. You have to compete for players. Bayern, Barca and Real, yes. But the others? No.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:13 pm

Crimey wrote:Tiago Ilori and Sakho both due in Liverpool for medicals over the next couple of days. Happy with the Ilori signing who is one of the most promising young defenders in Portugal, but can't understand the Sakho signing. He's a left-sided defender but isn't going to oust Agger who is the vice-captain, he won't play left back as Liverpool rely too heavily on full backs for width, particularly down the left, but at £13 million seems too expensive just to keep on the bench. Especially as he's moving for first team football.

Manchester United could very well be Skrtel's last game for the club then.

Late Agger move to Barca?

by Ent Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:15 pm

We've never really signed marquee European players. Nothing much has changed.

by TopHat24/7 Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:19 pm

John wrote:Money talks nowadays and United don't appear to want to challenge other major European teams, they lack that ambition to go the 'extra mile' and get a player. City & Chelsea have bought genuine quality, potentially world class players. United have not and have stagnated. Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, Chelsea, PSG & Manchester City, in my opinion are all ahead of United. Where do the top players want to go, this summer's activity is evidence of that.

May as well have Monaco in their if you're having PSG.

by TopHat24/7 Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:22 pm

I'd say RM, Barca and Bayern are by far the 3 biggest draws in Europe.

United are in the next rung down, with the other big traditional/heritage clubs, in with the Italians.

On about the same level, but a seperate group, are those that bought a seat at the table - Citeh, Chelski, PSG & Monaco.

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:36 pm

I'm not talking about tradition or heritage. United have slipped down the pecking order in Europe and this summer's transfer dealings state that. Why United or the owners have not backed Moyes, in making a statement signing is beyond me, or is what I'm saying the truth. World class players would rather go elsewhere. Lucas would rather go to PSG, Ozil wanted to go to Madrid and did, Hazard went to Chelsea instead of United, Thiago went to Bayern, Cesc said.....no thanks, repeatedly. That has led United to resorting to players of a lower quality at lower stature clubs like Everton/Fellaini. City have spent huge and Chelsea have bought Willian, who is a phenonmenal talent. Mourinho going to Chelsea is also a huge pull factor and Moyes is hardly a 'well known' figure around Europe, who would have an x-factor in bringing in a player when negotiating.

by The Terror of Tylorstown Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:38 pm

I could be going mad but who did the worlds best striker choose to join last summer?

by **Crimey** Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:46 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Crimey wrote:Tiago Ilori and Sakho both due in Liverpool for medicals over the next couple of days. Happy with the Ilori signing who is one of the most promising young defenders in Portugal, but can't understand the Sakho signing. He's a left-sided defender but isn't going to oust Agger who is the vice-captain, he won't play left back as Liverpool rely too heavily on full backs for width, particularly down the left, but at £13 million seems too expensive just to keep on the bench. Especially as he's moving for first team football.

Manchester United could very well be Skrtel's last game for the club then.
Late Agger move to Barca?

I would be very surprised, those rumours really heated up just before he was named vice-captain and since then they have been a lot quieter. Seems happy to stay at Liverpool to be honest, has YNWA tattooed on his knuckles. Can't imagine the club making a big deal over naming him vice-captain if there was any indication he was going to leave.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:52 pm

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:I could be going mad but who did the worlds best striker choose to join last summer?

Still at Barca isn't he?

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:53 pm

Didn't see RVP in the world XI? He's not the best striker in the world. Domestically, that's where United have the advantage and were in the know in terms of RVP's contract situation. In terms of the European market, bringing in top players from abroad and competing with the rest, is where they are suffering nowadays.

by The Terror of Tylorstown Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:58 pm

With the exception of Veron and Van Nistelrooy the majority of the top tier players we buy are from the premier league and it's done us very well for 20 years now. We're not like City, Chelsea, Madrid, PSG or Monaco who throw money around like no tomorrow we've always had a stricter belief in a core of young british players. I don't want to support a team that buys it's way to success, i'm very happy with our strict transfer policy.

As for Van Persie there is nobody in the world who's a better out and out striker, Ronaldo and Messi don't fall into that category at all.

by Ent Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:03 pm

None of the players you've listed are world class.

Yes if other clubs offer more money and wages than us player may not join - simple really.

We've rarely ever signed European marquee names.

by GSC Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:37 pm

No idea why Messi doesnt count as an out and out striker nowadays but nonetheless.

Falcaos scored more goals in the last 2 years (and has a far superior goal record before that)

by Duty281 Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:00 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23903926

Lamela's all signed and sealed now. Only Eriksen to come, and that Welsh chap to leave, and that will be an end to Tottenham's very productive summer.

by Ent Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:07 pm

So pedantry aside we are agreeing rvp was a transfer coup?

Arguably the biggest domestic transfer in Pl history- depending on how highly you rate arsenal.

by Guest Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:39 pm

Ent wrote:None of the players you've listed are world class.

We've rarely ever signed European marquee names.

Cesc, Willian, Hazard, Lucas Moura, Thiago, Ozil......there's potential in there to be world class. For me, only Messi, Iniesta & Ronaldo are world class but you've got to open the boundaries of `world class`, the amount of times its thrown about. United would love to have any one of those names, instead you've got Fellaini. Domestically is where United thrive and will continue to do with RVP examples because they can't compete nowadays with the big three and the financial attraction of City or PSG.

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