Daniel Cole and the new scrum laws

Be interesting to see how the self proclaimed "intelligent" prop can handle having to bind and stay up.

Anyone else also feel the ref should be stricter and ping props "like Cole" who walk around and attack on an angle trying to split the oppose front row? such to the extent of their little walk about  they are not even bound by the second row anymore.

I use Dan Cole as an example of this because he is pretty good at getting away with it, seen him V the Ospreys "Ryan Bevington" attack on the angle so much that he appeared to be scrum-aging along with the Ospreys at one point due to how far he had broke off from his own pack, Poite saw otherwise thou and loved the Tigers that day.

After watching the Scarlets v Leinster yesterday i must admit the new law seems fair and does show who collapsed the scrum correctly but obviously still alot more needs addressing before scrum will favor the strongest pack.

Deluded by name & nature it would appear.

Bad WUM.

Snore.

In theory a more technical prop like Cole should flourish. Bevington who relies solely on his hit may struggle.

Dunno Bevington showed his worth tonight against a massive Treviso front row.

Daniel may prove me wrong but lets wait and see a few games in to the season.

Hey view.....

I love the way View always gives English players their full first names.

He's a very formal chap.

But a bit bald.



View: Gah, I'm only receding!

I thought Cole did ok with the new laws at scrum time but hardly class opposition i thought Mulipola struggled.

Not a surprise, Mulipola only converted to prop at the last RWC because Freddie Tuilagi talked him into it. Before that he played 8 for Hawkes Bay (I believe) in the ITM. His technique has developed steadily after he signed a season and a half ago but that particular diamond needs some more polishing. Thankfully Ayerza looked excellent vs New Zealand.

Ayerza has always been excellent

He certainly has, a great find as he was only semi pro when we signed him and he's been a stalwart of out front row for years. Mulipola will be the loosehead impact option once he returns.

The only reason Leicester Tiger shave a dominant and strong scrum isn't because off Cole and hasn't ever been Cole. They have probably one of the best maybe even they bet loose head scrummagers in world rugby in Ayerza. Every time I have seen him he has won the hit and got under his opponents chest.
I haven't seen him in the new laws yet but i'm sure he will still be the force he was last season, i could just imagine him and Adam Jones as props together. God, that would be lethal.
Cole is very over rated as has been shown agaisnt us (Wales) and on the lion tour and when he struggled against Austrlaia last Autumn.
However England have a great tighthead in Wilson, a rock in the scrum and would also make a formidable front row with Corbs. But for some stupid reason Cole will alsways be picked ahead of Wilson.
Don't forget Cole is still young as well (even though he doesn't look it), he is a descent scrummager now but he will be much stronger in a few years time. But he is still far of the great tighthead some people make him out to be.

Jhamer25 wrote:The only reason Leicester Tiger shave a dominant and strong scrum isn't because off Cole and hasn't ever been Cole.

the IRB need to come down hard on this. It's completely unacceptable for one side to shave their opponents.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Jhamer25 wrote:The only reason Leicester Tiger shave a dominant and strong scrum isn't because off Cole and hasn't ever been Cole.

the IRB need to come down hard on this. It's completely unacceptable for one side to shave their opponents.

 I'm assuming that it's at least a yellow card for an unwanted full Brazilian.

I was interested to see on Sunday that Tigers were repeatedly going for an 8-man shove rather than hooking the ball. I am not sure if they did this every time, but on the occasions when it was their put in and the camera angle made it possible to check, that was what they were doing.

I suspect this goes back to Cockers' and Youngs' complaints about the scrum, which I paraphrase as "Tom Youngs is not a proper hooker". They didn't seem to have too much trouble against Worcester, even so, but it will be interesting to see if they are more vulnerable when they face a really strong pack like Saints or Sarries. A properly skilled hooker like Jamie George allied to some decent props may well be able to take a couple against the head.

Poor artical & poor wum. Never an opportunity missed to have a pop at an England player.

[quote="Poorfour"]I was interested to see on Sunday that Tigers were repeatedly going for an 8-man shove rather than hooking the ball. I am not sure if they did this every time, but on the occasions when it was their put in and the camera angle made it possible to check, that was what they were doing.[quote]

I would certainly agree with you that we were going for the 8MS on Worcesters put in but from where I was seated in the Crumbie it looked like Tom Youngs was hooking and coping well. Tigers were getting the nudge on and so where advancing even on there own put in, so I guess it is easy to assume that they weren't hooking. Although I have to say my view was kind of limited being in the stand and not having the advantage of the slowmo close up.

Didn't see any of the bollox being talked by OP about DC struggling, he seemed very dominant to me.

My main concerns from yesterdays game was that our line out was a tad wobbly at times and the general kicking game of Ryan Lamb was awful. Everything else he did was spot on mind you, so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

How did Owen Williams fare when he came on? (I'm assuming he came on for Ryan Lamb.)

Williams played about 4 minutes or so, and really all he was asked to do was ship the ball on to the nearest carrier as tigers pressed for the 4th try.

Did not see the conversion because as soon as the TMO confirmed the try I was out of my seat and walking out to clear the car park first - but it was a tricky kick wide on the right.


As to the scrums, well from end on I cannot tell whether Youngs was striking for the ball.

Dan will bite your hand off for the scrum changes.

Williams looked good in his brief appearance off the bench. He scored the difficult conversion. Stood very flat and passed well. Looks to be settling in well and should be more effective when he has some more muscle in the midfield to run onto his passes.

Dan will bite your hand off for the scrum changes.

glamorganalun wrote:Dan will bite your hand off for the scrum changes.

you think it's that good you have to post it twice! lol

Thats what happens when you fish hook someone that doesnt wear a mouth guard!

nathan wrote:

glamorganalun wrote:Dan will bite your hand off for the scrum changes.

you think it's that good you have to post it twice! lol

Thats what happens when you fish hook someone that doesnt wear a mouth guard!

I know tell me about it, reminds me of the time Ferris should have been cited for trying to break Dupys fingers when he attacked his finger with his eye.

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:

nathan wrote:

glamorganalun wrote:Dan will bite your hand off for the scrum changes.

you think it's that good you have to post it twice! lol

Thats what happens when you fish hook someone that doesnt wear a mouth guard!

I know tell me about it, reminds me of the time Ferris should have been cited for trying to break Dupys fingers when he attacked his finger with his eye.

or when he when he gave dylan hartley a good fingering! lol