Treviso v Ospreys - Pro12 07/09/13 Match Thread

by Cari Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:46 pm

First topic message reminder :

At Stadio Monigo, 7.30pm local time (6.30pm UK & Ireland) Live on MEDIASET/S4
Referee: Neil Paterson (SRU, 53rd competition game)
Assistant Referees: Giuseppe Vivarini, Stefano Traversi (both FIR)
Citing Commissioner: Achille Reali (FIR)
TMO: Carlo Damasco (FIR)

Treviso:
Brendan Williams 15
Ludovico Nitoglia 14
Luca Morisi 13
Alberto Sgarbi 12
Luke McLean 11
Alberto di Bernardo 10
Fabio Semenzato 9
Michele Rizzo 1
Leonardo Ghiraldini 2
Alberto de Marchi 3
Antonio Pavanello 4
Valerio Bernabo 5
Manoa Vosawai 6
Alessandro Zanni 7
Robert Barbieri 8

Ospreys

Richard Fussell 15
Ben John 14
Andrew Bishop 13
Ashley Beck 12
Eli Walker 11
Dan Biggar 10
Tito Tebaldi 9
Ryan Bevington 1
Scott Baldwin 2
Joe Rees 3
Ryan Jones 4
James King 5
Tom Smith 6
Sam Lewis 7
Joe Bearman 8

Anyone watching? Not a bad start from both sides - great scrum from the O's early on, but unfortunately Andrew Bishop has just been binned. Treviso get a penalty after ten minutes. They did attempt a drop goal earlier but it went wide. Will this be history repeating for the O's and they lose their first season game to Treviso again?

by Cari Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:07 pm

Penalty against King coming up - TMO just checking it and agrees. Why I don't know because the touch judge pointed it out when nothing happened. Very odd. Jayz, this really does slow a game doesn't it?

by Cari Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:08 pm

It would be blydi Sods Law now if the O's were penalised - deserved or not and Treviso get a try.

by Cari Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:10 pm

YES!!! Knocked forward. Thank fooooook for that!

Excellent play Ospreys.

by LordDowlais Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:12 pm

Ospreys could scrummage for a pen hear. Fingers Crossed

by Cari Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:16 pm

The ball needs to go dead or Treviso could equalize if they get a bydi try! I'd be happy with a penalty.

by Cari Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Woop!

19-24 FT. Well done Ospreys!!!!!

by wales606 Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Good win for the O's

Not many will come away from Treviso with a W

by glamorganalun Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:21 pm

The scrums were a complete mess, ref was poor in this area and the vidoe ref was a joke.

by Guest Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:24 pm

Really weird TMO incident - touch judge calls a penalty for pulling back against the O's. The ref goes to the TMO and the video shows no pull back. However, the TMO says he's happy to go with the ref (who didn't see it) so had to go with the original touch judge call, so a penalty is still awarded even though the video showed no offence. Wtf?! What's the point of the TMO then. Really amateurish skills there from the officials. Didn't help that they were from the home nation either, as accusations of bias will be intensified.

by Cari Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:24 pm

True that Wales. Last season we lost to them and before that we only managed a draw away to them so this will please the boys.

I'm wondering if the TMO just couldn't be arrsed to watch the footage and just agreed with the touch judge? Didn't see any shirt pulling on the playback.

by LordDowlais Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:34 pm

I think it was more to do with the fact that the TMO was Italian, the biased reffing in this league is already pizzing me off and i't only the first weekend. steam

by Cyril Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:06 pm

I must say this blaming the officials thing is a breath of fresh air after the Lions debacle.

Variety is the spice of life.

by Guest Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:15 pm

Like clock work, Cyril is here to spread warmth to the thread. However, seeing as no-one has blamed anyone for anything then you're once again wide of the mark. Pointed out an error/anomaly yes, but blame? No. Blame for what? An away win???

by Cyril Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:41 pm

Quite, Griff. It's like ghostie complaining about the ref in the NZ win.

Gracious in victory. That's worritstallabout Smile

by Guest Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:54 pm

I was hoping for the input of referee types like Red Stag, etc., but instead I get c@nty chops Cyril. Whad-I-do to get such rotten luck.

by Cyril Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:00 pm

That's a tad offensive even with the @ Sad

by wayne Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:02 pm

Griff wrote:I was hoping for the input of referee types like Red Stag, etc., but instead I get c@nty chops Cyril. Whad-I-do to get such rotten luck.

Griff you won last night and you got Cyril tonight what more do you want?

by sheephead Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:03 pm

Cari; what you think? Wasn't massively impressed with Tibaldi. His kicking was pretty good but not much else, our back line didn't help him much mind. Maybe I'm being over critical.

by LordDowlais Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:06 pm

sheephead wrote:Cari; what you think? Wasn't massively impressed with Tibaldi. His kicking was pretty good but not much else, our back line didn't help him much mind. Maybe I'm being over critical.

Tibaldi was shat, end of.

by sheephead Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:08 pm

Lord, I've still got Kahn first season in my mind. Me and the Mrs sitting in the east stand shouting "don't kick!". At least Tibaldis were within running distance. Maybe he'll get better? I was hoping to see Habberfield this season

by wayne Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:25 pm

I'm sick of this thread already, and supposed Ospreys supporters, if you went on on our Forum you would already know as a a scrum half half he is not as good as KF, but better as a kicker, on a poll last season KF was the best sh we have had with J Marshall next J Spice next with M Phillips R Webb and J Nutbrown a long way behind, is it the fact that the best 3 are NOT WELSH that irks everyone for god's sake give the man a chance the kick for Ben Johns try was absolutely perfect.After reading the Ospreys forum who was one of the 2 players that Steve Tandy COMMENDED tonight Tito Tebaldi so shall we stop this slagging off before the season has even started properly.

by sheephead Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:45 pm

So as I don't go on the ospreys forum I am not a fan? Can't see how that works?? I wasn't slating him I can't see what he offers more than others?

by wayne Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:49 pm

sheephead wrote:So as I don't go on the ospreys forum I am not a fan? Can't see how that works?? I wasn't slating him I can't see what he offers more than others?

Read my edit

by sheephead Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:56 pm

What did you change butty? The Tandy bit? I acknowledge his kicking is good and it does go with our current game plan/ strength but it would be nice to have a plan B. We have seen before what happens when we are equalled or bettered up front and we cannot rely on that dominance.

by Cyril Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:06 pm

Gotta love the Hairsprays!

by maestegmafia Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:10 pm

Good game and a great start to the season. Never easy going to Treviso and coming away with a win

by sheephead Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:20 pm

Wins a win hey Maes. Happy they managed to grind one out. They could not do it last season in the same fixture.
Cyril; brilliant contribution, bravo x

by maestegmafia Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:24 pm

A win is a win and yes a marked improvement on last year where we let Treviso into games we were controlling.

Not bad considering most of the hard work was done with our second choices.

Very impressed with Ben John and Sam Lewis.

by sheephead Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:30 pm

Sam Lewis looked as if he'd been in a boxing match. Will be nice to see Ben John get a run of games not seen him build up a run of steam, he's a big lad.

by Cyril Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:33 pm

sheephead wrote:Wins a win hey Maes. Happy they managed to grind one out. They could not do it last season in the same fixture.
Cyril; brilliant contribution, bravo x

Are you new?

by maestegmafia Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:41 pm

sheephead wrote:Sam Lewis looked as if he'd been in a boxing match. Will be nice to see Ben John get a run of games not seen him build up a run of stem, he's a big lad.

I would like to see Ben John and Ashley Beck get a few more games together in the centre.

by maestegmafia Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:08 am

Baldwin and King were great too.

One player I still see as a liability is Richard Fussell. At his best he can be handy but 90% of the time he looks miles out of his depth at fullback. Especially in defence.

by maestegmafia Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:23 am

wales606 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
wales606 wrote:Tibaldi look like a neat signing
Have you been watching the first half ?
His box kicking has been really good, and he has been involved in a few clever moves from the base.

I agree with your point on his kicking, his chip for Ben Johns try was text book stuff.

by Breadvan Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:51 am

Hard fought win v a strong Treviso side. Agree that the squad players did well. Baldwin, lewis, King. A decent start should get their confidence going. tito did well I thought. His box kicking is immense tbh. I do like Fuss at full back but its frustrating when he starts off on a run then stutters then gets inevitably enveloped and loses momentum. He's got the pace, just wish he'd use it....

by The Saint Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:36 pm

This one was probably the worst game of the weekend for me. Ref was consistent, but became a bit too pedantic and that didn't help. The team looked pretty unorganised and vulnerable. I believe that problem will sort itself out once the top players get some game time together. The backs still look pretty poor and Biggar needs to figure out something apart from the up n under. Tito was good. The centre's looked confused at times but each of them have been off rugby before the last season ended. I think they'll eventually gel and should perhaps switch around (Bishop to 12 and Beck to 13). Back 3 is still light as you're still playing scrum-halves and centres out there. Fussell is still rubbish as ever, a total liability and I really do not know how he keeps his place in the starting team.

by Breadvan Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:32 pm

lol, just noticed Beck was 12 and Bishop 13. Def should swap as Bish can do the hard yards well. Beck is wasted at I/C. Agree our back play looks disjointed. Hopefully with more games, we'll see more cohesion.

by maestegmafia Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:16 pm

The Saint wrote: Fussell is still rubbish as ever, a total liability and I really do not know how he keeps his place in the starting team.

When we have Ross Jones available it makes no sense at all that a winger converted to Fullback would be preferable.

by The Saint Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:25 pm

I'm not sure I've seen enough of Ross at this level to judge, but he's probably a lot better than Fussell.

by wayne Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:30 pm

Breadvan wrote:lol, just noticed Beck was 12 and Bishop 13. Def should swap as Bish can do the hard yards well. Beck is wasted at I/C. Agree our back play looks disjointed. Hopefully with more games, we'll see more cohesion.

IIRC they swapped a lot, in the 2nd half Bish kicked down near their 22 the ball landed about a yard inside the field he was in the 12 channel for that one, we tried a flowing backs move where Beck was smashed by Luke McLean, on that occasion Beck was in the 13 channel, those 2 are off the top of my head. I think the 4 points we got yesterday will be viewed very favourably come the end of the season, all according when they play the top 3 from last season. By all accounts quite a few of their first team squad did not have any pre season playing time and the teams they did play were Italian teams a level below them.

by maestegmafia Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:07 pm

wayne wrote:
Breadvan wrote:lol, just noticed Beck was 12 and Bishop 13. Def should swap as Bish can do the hard yards well. Beck is wasted at I/C. Agree our back play looks disjointed. Hopefully with more games, we'll see more cohesion.

IIRC they swapped a lot, in the 2nd half Bish kicked down near their 22 the ball landed about a yard inside the field he was in the 12 channel for that one, we tried a flowing backs move where Beck was smashed by Luke McLean, on that occasion Beck was in the 13 channel, those 2 are off the top of my head. I think the 4 points we got yesterday will be viewed very favourably come the end of the season, all according when they play the top 3 from last season. By all accounts quite a few of their first team squad did not have any pre season playing time and the teams they did play were Italian teams a level below them.

Certainly true.

Though to be fair Treviso looked like they re-started where they left off last season. They have such resilience at home and were building self confidence away last year too.

It would be unfair to consider either team a finished article in their first match, and as we said earlier the Referee deserves a fair appraisal.

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