Mizuno JPX 800 irons

Anyone bought a set of these irons? I got custom fitted in Feb and expected to take time to adjust as i've always played 'standard fit'. It's now May and i'm still toiling with them, some days are ok, average at best other days the balls going nowhere. Am i expecting to much to soon or are they not as good as the hype surrounding them.

Don't take it this the wrong way mate but it have you considered the clubs are fine and you could do with a pro looking at your swing?

Rossa, cheers for the reply mate, i'm really just kicking myself cos i was playing well with the old Wilson Di6 irons ( play off 8) and the wife said she'd treat me for my 50th, the grass isn't always greener on the other side. As for lessons, i'm certainly creeping towards getting a couple but i'm still hitting my woods and gap wedge (Ping) well so i'm inclined to think it's the irons.

May it was the fit then? Haven't heard too many bad 'zuno iron reviews od any kind...

Rossa, Agree not heard a bad word about them, maybe turning 50 meant my game would go into rapid decline.

5531stuart wrote:I got custom fitted in Feb and expected to take time to adjust as i've always played 'standard fit'. It's now May and i'm still toiling with them, :

Did you take a note of what Mizuno gave you, spec wise, for the fit? If you look at the std spec for the wilson and mizuno irons the Wilson shafts are .75 inches longer and maybe you are subconciously swinging as if your irons are longer than what they are. I would have your pro check your swing with your new irons.

K, Was totally ignorant of that mate, possibly would make big difference as my Mizuno's are half an inch shorter that standard, making the them an inch and a quarter shorter than my Wilson's. Think there's enough knowledgable guys on here to give me their input on that .

Also you need to look at the club the DI range in wilson tend to lent toward more game improvement then even the JPX range so the JPX is going to be slightly less forgiving and the JPX is a forged club and from memory the DI range are not (not 100% on that though) so theres another factor to consider, have only ever hit the JPX Pro range and they seemed a solid set of clubs

Under no circumstances buy mizuno.


Unless you get them from some recently berieved widow for a tenner

ahh the memories of that ebay purchase which I made a killing on, and my brother is using to fabulous effect LJ, he shot AM course record with those mizzys last week during a corporate golf day his firm runs annually at down at West Malling round the spitifre course a 63 and said he will never part with them! unless he departs first of course! Then I could get some resale value!

I dunno. Dead mens irons!

Maverick wrote:Also you need to look at the club the DI range in wilson tend to lent toward more game improvement then even the JPX range so the JPX is going to be slightly less forgiving and the JPX is a forged club and from memory the DI range are not (not 100% on that though) so theres another factor to consider, have only ever hit the JPX Pro range and they seemed a solid set of clubs

The JPX 800 is not forged but the JPX 800 PRO is.
Specs:
http://golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons/jpx-800/
http://golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons/jpx-800-pro/
http://www.wilson.com/dyn/golf/ws_specs/eu/Di6.asp
One thing to note from the wilson spec "True Temper proprietary Wilson Staff Taper Tech .370 shaft. Features a flexible tip section for a higher launch in the long irons progressively changing to a stiffer tip section in the short irons for a lower, more controlled ball flight." The mizuno's probably give a consistent launch throughout so the user could well be seeing a greater difference in his longer irons. We don't know what shaft was recommended but he could check it's basic spec:- http://golf.mizunoeurope.com/custom/custom-specs.php irons/wedges

Does the original poster have the 800's or 800 Pros? Only the Pros are forged and they also have strong lofts as standard. They will take some time to adjust to, and even more so if it's the first time you've ever been custom fitted. Stick at it.

LondonJonnyO wrote:Under no circumstances buy mizuno.

Care to expand on that?

JPX

Just guessing but do you use the JPX pro's?

I do indeed

JPX wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:Under no circumstances buy mizuno.

Care to expand on that?

Not really. Its self evident if you don't havea kneejerk reactuon and carry on reading

LondonJonnyO wrote:

JPX wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:Under no circumstances buy mizuno.

Care to expand on that?

Not really. Its self evident if you don't havea kneejerk reactuon and carry on reading

Nope, can't read why one shouldn't buy mizunos unless they're for a tenner off a widow...

LJ

Yes I was a little confused by that comment, I always thought Mizuno's were of a very high standard.

LondonJonnyO wrote:

JPX wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:Under no circumstances buy mizuno.

Care to expand on that?

Not really. Its self evident if you don't havea kneejerk reactuon and carry on reading

Wooooah, why the attitude? I just wondered why you would make such a comment.

JPX, I've got the JPX 800, not pro's and they are cast not forged, had the chance to get the pro's but felt as i was now going backwards h/cap wise (now off eight) that i'd get a bit more forgiveness from the cast model. K, I should have done more homework, thanks for the link, I've got DG XP reg steel, i just put myself in the pro's hands and went with his recommendations, but that's my fault not his as the XP's fly high and that's the last thing i need, but i've taken Rossa's advice and booked a block of lessons so we'll see what he says. Thanks guys for your input.

Was unaware the JPX standard were cast but then never really looked into using them but having hit the JPX pro a couple of times as friend has a set I assumed as all other Mizzys they'd be forged but as they say to assume is to make and ass of u and me!

Where did you get fitted out stuart?

I was fit at New Malden, Mizuno's NFC and it was superb. Like you I went with whatever the fitter said, I had only ever played blades before and never considered a cavity back, but these irons are just awesome. So easy to hit and there's nothing I'm missing out on by not playing blades. The big plus is on my off days I can still score well. I'll never play blades again.

JPX, Just back from lesson from pro that fitted me, he had a look at me then the irons, turns out that three layers of tape was underneath the grips. He was not a happy bunny, not what he specified, gave me a demo 6 irons with reg shaft and norm grip, what a difference, i've left him the clubs as he's going to re-grip them 2moro and contact Mizuno Monday. Didn't realise that the tape could make such a difference, i'd heard that the more tape on the stiffer it gets (no comments LJ) but assumed it was an old wives tale.

Interesting thread. Mizzy fitting should be ok. The JPX are sprung faced (slightly) so your lack of distance is odd; they often don't even recommend a 3-iron as with the slight spring effect, the 4-iron is about as long (apparently) as a 'normal' 3-iron. Hitting it out of the middle?

Interesting comment re. the tape. Thicker grips will decrease your hands releasing through the shot but I wouldn't have thought it'd make that much difference.

Navy,
Low man i assume? Where do you guys get all this knowledge? I've only the pro's word it was Mizuno so it could have been his mistake when placing the order, only got 4-pw anyway so that's not an issue. Maybe he just got me on a better day yesterday and my swings mince, who knows.

stuart. By reading a lot of articles, being fit, and understanding the swing and how things affect it.

It's all out there. Just look up clubfitting and there is a shedload available on google.

LJ, I've been trying to understand my swing for years, thought i knew it when i played 'cat 1' but now going backwards so looking for 'the secret,' to lazy and unfit i suppose. Been watching yourself and other 'low men' discuss shafts etc and admire your desire to improve. I'd love to 'rebuild' but feel at 50 i'm not as competitive as i'd like to be (eight h/cap) anymore and fear an attempt to strip back to basics and start again may not be good for my mental health or my marriage. Cheers for your input, and keep up the 'tongue in cheek' comments, cheers up my working hours.

tongue in cheek?

Very firmly vaseline in the ring of a lot of people judging by what I get back.

That said it's always worth getting a proper fitting. I'm off to see Mr Lee Porter in a fortnight. My worn out 58 is getting booted out and replaced. With something by Vega or Miura I'm thinking.

Very firmly vaseline in the ring of a lot of people judging by what I get back.

Exactly what i was getting at, priceless.

One thing about any fitter. They should want to know as much as possible ahead of time.

When I called Hylands Park to make an appointment the kid (and I assume it was a kid) was offered all the info I had on my current equipment. He said no. It's not relevant.

An email to Lee Porter offering the same and he more or less bit my arm off for as much as I could tell him. He now has my complete specs (clubs, flexes, my expected lofts and lies, the ball I play and my last known impact speeds). As a result he should be able to pick up exactly what he thinks is going to be right for me before the session.

Something like that does go to show the difference between someone who is a real clubfitter/maker and someone working off their 'apprenticeship' in my opinion.

LJ, just had a look at your man 'Lee Porter', pity i stay so far away, he looks like the real deal in my limited knowledge. My guy just stuck a small black plastic gadget to the shafts and got me to hit balls into a net, read it and wrote down various numbers and advised me what was required, i assumed it was swing speed etc, think i'll delve a little deeper and try and find someone locally that's got a good reputation. Had a look at your 'new wedges', think the Vega 04 satin looks the dogs, not to keen on the looks of the miura's, but what do i know.

That sounds like the standard mizuno swing profiler thing. It's meant to work really well... but like any technology you can't rely on that. The ball flight on a range says a hell of a lot more.

And the vega stuff also looks really good. I like the Miura as they are the top of the range within anybody's book. Miura, until recently, would provide forgings and grindings for the tour pros.... without the tour pros being aware. For example Retief won the US open using a taylormade stamped set of irons that Miura had made and ground for him behind the scenes. Tigers Titleist 'T' stamp irons... Miura. Olazabal at the masters.... the list goes on and on.

That doesn't mean a lot unless it works for me... but they have a pedigree that is beyond question.

You certainly know your stuff about Miura etc, but tend to agree it means nowt unless it works for you. You've got me really interested now LJ in finding out a bit more about my swing etc, i've always hit the ball high and according to the shaft specs the DG xp flies high, and guess what shaft the bold boy has in his irons? not a good move me thinks.

Depends. I have a high ball flight. And i mean very very high. But i want to encourage that but with a flat flight instead of ballooning or rainbowing it. The shafts i have do that for me.

Sounds like the swing DNA you had stuart. They are good when the fitter only has an indoor net to work with, but I never trust those computers. Much better to get fit at an outdoor range so you can see the ball flight,

New Malden is Mizuno's national fitting centre and their fitting service is second to none. There's also one in Wrexham and one north of the border somewhere.

Horse has bolted now so to speak but just for reference.

JPX, thanks for the info mate, i'm going to book an appointment with 'world of golf' in Glasgow , that's Mizuno's scottish fitting centre, don'tr mind paying the £25 for an swing/club check, you get this back if you purchase from them but obviously i won't be unless there is something far wrong.

Do these outdoor fitting centres use proper balls or are they the standard range spheres? Not really sure you can get a proper fit using a soggy lump of rubber.

The grove uses callaway balls on the range.

LJ

Got our time for invitation day, 10am. We're playing with another Cat 1 and his partner so decent draw.

With that reasonable time, I feel a modicum of entertainment coming up on the Friday night, I'm sure Noshanking will be up for it too

I feel that would only be appropriate. Although my other half and the slug will also be in town. So they would have to have an invite... Or I'll be completely in the red as far as brownie points are concerned.

drive4show wrote:Do these outdoor fitting centres use proper balls or are they the standard range spheres? Not really sure you can get a proper fit using a soggy lump of rubber.

Can't speak for the Glasgow centre but the New Malden had Titleist practise balls when I was fitted.

LondonJonnyO wrote:I feel that would only be appropriate. Although my other half and the slug will also be in town. So they would have to have an invite... Or I'll be completely in the red as far as brownie points are concerned.

Aaaah, could be a problem. Not sure if slugs are allowed in FYEO??

drive4show wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:I feel that would only be appropriate. Although my other half and the slug will also be in town. So they would have to have an invite... Or I'll be completely in the red as far as brownie points are concerned.

Aaaah, could be a problem. Not sure if slugs are allowed in FYEO??

I am certain they encourage excessive drooling in those places don't they?

I have been told an invite is ok but no heavy drinking. Personally I never drink heavy. It's hard to lift it.

If you use the glasgow fitting centre do you get to hit on the range while they do the fitting? Or is it in a net?

19th, It's just a couple of enclosed bays on the range they use to accomodate their launch monitors etc just exit through the glass doors from the shop.

that would typically depend on where all the electronic stuff is at. My last fit using the radar stuff was in a net. I then took the recommended items onto the range.

Lee Porter uses the range so that you see the ball fly and have the radar stuff setup so you can see the recommendations/stats plus the flights right there. That sounds like the way forwards to me.

drive4show wrote:LJ

Got our time for invitation day, 10am. We're playing with another Cat 1 and his partner so decent draw.

With that reasonable time, I feel a modicum of entertainment coming up on the Friday night, I'm sure Noshanking will be up for it too

I do have a question however... Will we have time to attend both prizegivings?

I think we should demand our own personal prizegiving!!!

drive4show wrote:I think we should demand our own personal prizegiving!!!

at FYEO?