Send Off Divers?

Sour grapes?

Is this a little harsh, or/and how can you always tell of a player has dived?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24105809

think the only way you could send them off if it clear that no contact was made whatsoever and the player still went down. you cant start sending players off for stuff like youngs as there was contact made and it becomes a very grey area then

best tactic for me would be retrospective ban, but that would require the fa to get together a panel who know there stuff about football, something which i find highly unlikely

The Issue with the "contact" surrounding Young is that he clearly hung his leg out to make it appear he was tripped (I think Bale did something similar last season). Having been spoken to by Fergie about it last year it seems the boy is either too stupid or arrogant to take heed of some sound advice.

There's any number of things I hate about the game and diving is right up there.

If you implemented sending off players for diving, then La Liga matches would have to be abandoned at some point during the game because there would not be enough players left on the pitch. Part & parcel of the game, unfortunately.

Don't see it happening at all, just sending players off. Retrospective, sounds good but setting up a panel and then judging differing levels of diving and punishments will just get too complicated. It will just create more confusion for the FA to mess trying to handle it.

Red cards for divers would just result in refs being to scared to send off players where as before they would happily give a yellow and thus the diver gets off scot free with no red or no yellow.

Retrospective bans need to be given. Not retrospective after the game but retrospective after the foul eg the 4th official can view a replay and decide if it is a dive or not.

retrospective after the foul but not after the game? that just sounds like the goal line techno debate. they wouldnt stop the game to look at the camera replay for 5 seconds to see if it had crossed, so why would they stop and wait for a fourth official to look at a screen to judge a dive. not in my opinion, all takes time.

John wrote:retrospective after the foul but not after the game? that just sounds like the goal line techno debate. they wouldnt stop the game to look at the camera replay for 5 seconds to see if it had crossed, so why would they stop and wait for a fourth official to look at a screen to judge a dive. not in my opinion, all takes time.

If the referee awards a foul for a tackle that wasn't a bad tackle and was a dive then the game has to be stopped anyway so there is time for the 4th official to view a replay to see if it is a dive.

If there is a dive but no free kick awarded then the game would continue and a panel would view a replay after the game and determine if action should be taken.

I don't even want goal line tech let alone reviews for dives.

100% shouldn't be a straight red for diving, as things will just get silly. Keep it how it is i say, just referee's need to a bit more stricter in showing the yellow.

Things though i see quite a lot is, when players go down in the penalty area, the referee simply needs to give a penalty or book the player for diving. Unless of course the ball is won fair and square and no one is arguing. But when there is a clear appeal, referee's need to act upon it and not just wave the pen away and play on, as if the referee doesn't feel it's a penalty surly then he must book the player for trying to win it!

If you'r running at full pelt and get a slight nudge, shoulder to shoulder then you will go down. This isn't a penalty but on the other hand, the player shouldn't be booked.

Difficult for refs.

Ivanisevic didn't get sent off for smashing his wrist into a Villa boys face......Because refs are scared of the big clubs..

A straight red ??........No they'd be unsighted when a Young/Lampard hits the deck but see a Norwich guy going down..

Just like now...so no thanks.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Ivanisevic didn't get sent off for smashing his wrist into a Villa boys face......Because refs are scared of the big clubs..

A straight red ??........No they'd be unsighted when a Young/Lampard hits the deck but see a Norwich guy going down..

Just like now...so no thanks.

Isn't he a West Brom fan, thought he was too old to play football after retiring from Tennis though

Make divers wear a pink strip the next time.

Stella wrote:If you'r running at full pelt and get a slight nudge, shoulder to shoulder then you will go down. This isn't a penalty but on the other hand, the player shouldn't be booked.

Difficult for refs.

There's being brought down and then throwing yourself to the deck in an un-natural manner. Evra did the same thing when he went to ground in the box and when Rooney was being blocked off unfairly by a defender he decided that he was going to go to ground when the contact being made and subsequent fall went completely against the laws of physics. Perhaps Stephen Hawking should be the 4th official

DAVE667 wrote:

Stella wrote:If you'r running at full pelt and get a slight nudge, shoulder to shoulder then you will go down. This isn't a penalty but on the other hand, the player shouldn't be booked.

Difficult for refs.

There's being brought down and then throwing yourself to the deck in an un-natural manner. Evra did the same thing when he went to ground in the box and when Rooney was being blocked off unfairly by a defender he decided that he was going to go to ground when the contact being made and subsequent fall went completely against the laws of physics. Perhaps Stephen Hawking should be the 4th official

Yes, some are easy but I was answering the comment that it's either a yellow for diving or a pen. It does sometimes look worse that it is, although not in Young's case, who stuck out a leg and flung himself like Billy Elliott.

Don't get the hysteria, players dive all the time and refs have the tools at their disposal to deal with it.

Should be a red-card. Should also be a 10 game ban for Ashley Young and anyone else who does it. Then see if the utter knut would do it again.

Would be a bit of chaos at the beginning, but soon everything would calm down. Might need a video referee to give assistance to the on-field referee though.

Of course being a patriotic Brit I come from a different school of thinking. In my opinion you should of course be a man and not a fairy, and never show your opponent a sign of weakness.

The opposite of Ashley Young's thinking, I presume.

They aren't even crafty about it. If you really want to make it look good then get up immediately and try and score. If he's going to give it, he'll give it whether you are rolling around the ground like a fairy or up on your feet chasing the ball.

Duty281 wrote:Should be a red-card. Should also be a 10 game ban for Ashley Young and anyone else who does it. Then see if the utter knut would do it again.

Would be a bit of chaos at the beginning, but soon everything would calm down. Might need a video referee to give assistance to the on-field referee though.

Of course being a patriotic Brit I come from a different school of thinking. In my opinion you should of course be a man and not a fairy, and never show your opponent a sign of weakness.

The opposite of Ashley Young's thinking, I presume.

I do hope your joking. Or fishing.

Christ, the diving debate. When defenders start getting bookings for the constant cheating and fouling they get up to then I'll care about diving.

NickisBHAFC wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Should be a red-card. Should also be a 10 game ban for Ashley Young and anyone else who does it. Then see if the utter knut would do it again.

Would be a bit of chaos at the beginning, but soon everything would calm down. Might need a video referee to give assistance to the on-field referee though.

Of course being a patriotic Brit I come from a different school of thinking. In my opinion you should of course be a man and not a fairy, and never show your opponent a sign of weakness.

The opposite of Ashley Young's thinking, I presume.

I do hope your joking. Or fishing.

Diving is cheating Nicholas. Any attempt at conning a referee, who already has a bloody difficult and thankless task, needs to be punished, and punished heavily.

Equally, it stems from the same tide of thinking that one little tap on your ankle means you can do a double twist with pike, before amazingly climbing to your feet and brandishing imaginary cards to the referee. Be a man, not some nancy boy who would look right at home in Brokeback Mountain.

Kick it out. Football used to be a contact sport.

You are aware that Brokeback Mountain is about two gay cowboys, hence not the stereotype of a homosexual you're trying to suggest?

Not only homophobic but also a stupid analogy.

Crimey wrote:You are aware that Brokeback Mountain is about two gay cowboys, hence not the stereotype of a homosexual you're trying to suggest?

Not only homophobic but also a stupid analogy.

I've only ever seen Brokeback Mountain once with my (now ex) boyfriend. I should concentrate more.

My apologies, sir. I should have compared it to a musical.

Duty281 wrote:

Crimey wrote:You are aware that Brokeback Mountain is about two gay cowboys, hence not the stereotype of a homosexual you're trying to suggest?

Not only homophobic but also a stupid analogy.

I've only ever seen Brokeback Mountain once with my (now ex) boyfriend. I should concentrate more.

My apologies, sir. I should have compared it to a musical.

I haven't even seen it and I know that.

Can't see how you could possibly send off divers. Too big a call, to hard a judgement, and too much a game changer.

All about retrospective punishment - which can include bans.