Is Timothy Bradley really backing out of Khan fight???

by Olefaithful Fri 13 May 2011, 10:29 am

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as the title say, is Tm Bradley pulling out of this unification fight?

Surely he must required by his governing bosy to fight Khan? personally if they do not fight I think it will be more down to Khans outragious demands, 70/30 splits, ring size ect......

Personally I think Bradley would win by TKO anyway so why back out, if Khan wants to be greedy tell the world of his demands and leave it there. that will show that it is Khan who is makoing this fight impossible.

Khan knows this will be his hardest fight to date so wnats to (rightly) make alot of money but how can he expect his opponent (also world champion) who is fighting "at home" to take a lower pay cheque?

Typical Khan......

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 2:03 pm

But earlier you said Maidana wasn't good as has never been world champ, well Judah has, and is, so would this not be one of those unification fights you bang on about Bradley having two of?
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Judah's been comfortably outworked/outpointed by Baldomir/Clottey

He is shot to bits

Would it not be fighting a shot fighter who 10 years ago was made to look an idiot/exposed by Tszyu, i mean surely his best days are behind him, that will be all, i've got enough about me to realise on here if you disagree with the boys brigade you get slated, i disagree i KNOW FOR A FACT Bradley has done a lot more, that will be all, cheers.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:03 pm

Doesn't make him or Ortiz better than Judah and that's the point. Berto was a hype job and Ortiz (another hype job) proved it.

by BALTIMORA Sat 14 May 2011, 2:04 pm

Steven_89 wrote:Im getting bored now of all this talk about Khan being this and that, he was baffled by a unproven domestic southpaw in a PPV disaster last time out, had to rely on a robbery of a stoppage to stop him from winning on points in a snoozefest, never seen such a 'world level' fighter hit thin air so much. And as for saying he thinks he can demand 80/20 to a better fighter and who has done much, much more @140 by fighting and beating a shot big mouth like Judah, well that baffles me, Judah's a hyped shot fighter

Seeing as Mcloskey hadn't won a round, Khan didn't have to rely on anything other than staying on his feet.

You criticise Khan for that, yet you rate Alexander as a great win for Bradley. Alexander DID rely on a robbery against Kotelnik. Khan didn't.

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 2:05 pm

Seeing as Mcloskey hadn't won a round, Khan didn't have to rely on anything other than staying on his feet.

You criticise Khan for that, yet you rate Alexander as a great win for Bradley. Alexander DID rely on a robbery against Kotelnik. Khan didn't.
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You cant educate pork, so i wont try and treat you BALDOMIR, i have said above im not arguing anymore, your arguing with facts, goodnight.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:06 pm

prettyboykev wrote:Doesn't make him or Ortiz better than Judah and that's the point. Berto was a hype job and Ortiz (another hype job) proved it.

A hype job how do you work that out, hype jobs don't beat boxers who jad been ranked in a division for years like Collazo and Quintana, who would he have to have beaten to prove himself?

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 2:08 pm

Doesn't make him or Ortiz better than Judah and that's the point. Berto was a hype job and Ortiz (another hype job) proved it.
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Berto v Ortiz was easily the best fight of 2011 between two hugely talented young fighters, for a genuine title, hype jobs? what when they have been and are a genuine world champ, if Berto's hype what's Khan lol? i think Berto is a much better fighter than Khan, he lost to a genuine quality fighter, Khan might of beaten Ortiz as an amateur 10 years ago, Victor's a man now get him in there now and he'll wipe the floor with your boy who cant take a punch, Maidana hit him with sloppy combinations and cant hit clean, Ortiz will destroy him, trust me, i only replied because you said Berto is hyped, i fell off my chair laughing at that one, and it made me respond. Now that will be all, goodnight.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:10 pm

Southpaw you really don't have a clue do you

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:10 pm

Steven_89 wrote:Doesn't make him or Ortiz better than Judah and that's the point. Berto was a hype job and Ortiz (another hype job) proved it.
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Berto v Ortiz was easily the best fight of 2011 between two hugely talented young fighters, for a genuine title, hype jobs? what when they have been and are a genuine world champ, if Berto's hype what's Khan lol? i think Berto is a much better fighter than Khan, he lost to a genuine quality fighter, Khan might of beaten Ortiz as an amateur 10 years ago, Victor's a man now get him in there now and he'll wipe the floor with your boy who cant take a punch, Maidana hit him with sloppy combinations and cant hit clean, Ortiz will destroy him, trust me, i only replied because you said Berto is hyped, i fell off my chair laughing at that one, and it made me respond. Now that will be all, goodnight.

When did Khan become my boy? I have said for a while now Bradley beats him. If Berto wasn't a hype job he would have beat Ortiz who quit against Maidana and was awful in a draw with Peterson.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:13 pm

No Berto just lost to a better man on the night, losing a fight doesn't make you a hype job otherwise Khan is a nobody

by AdZacO Sat 14 May 2011, 2:14 pm

Steven_89 wrote:But earlier you said Maidana wasn't good as has never been world champ, well Judah has, and is, so would this not be one of those unification fights you bang on about Bradley having two of?
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Judah's been comfortably outworked/outpointed by Baldomir/Clottey

He is shot to bits

Would it not be fighting a shot fighter who 10 years ago was made to look an idiot/exposed by Tszyu, i mean surely his best days are behind him, that will be all, i've got enough about me to realise on here if you disagree with the boys brigade you get slated, i disagree i KNOW FOR A FACT Bradley has done a lot more, that will be all, cheers.

Well he was never fully comitted to boxing, and now he swears he is, not sure if that matters, but has Pernell Whitaker teaching him.

Also 10 yeas ago being exposed by Tszyu was no bad thing, he was an absolutely great fighter.

I don't mind you diagreeing, just contradicting yourself. Khan should get 50/50 despite bring more moeny because he has less big wins and belts/unification fights, but the suggestion of him getting the other reconised belt and you say it is a nothing fight.

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 2:18 pm

When did Khan become my boy? I have said for a while now Bradley beats him. If Berto wasn't a hype job he would have beat Ortiz who quit against Maidana and was awful in a draw with Peterson.
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80/20 i'll be honest i cant get over that i just cant take you seriously, Ortiz lost to Maidana, Khan got destroyed of Prescott though? and has proved he's a quality operator! isnt a fighter entitled to an off night, Ortiz dropped him a few times as well, Peterson was a robbery Victor dropped him twice battered him early and ran out of steam, how they called it a draw i'll never know. Ortiz would destroy Khan within 6 rounds now imo.

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 2:21 pm

but the suggestion of him getting the other reconised belt and you say it is a nothing fight.
AdZacO
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He's shot to bits and has always been a boxer, i couldn't care any littler if he was commited or not he has been fighting for years and is shot to bits, Holt, Alexander werent shot to bits and both beat Judah @140 imo. Im not contradicting myself at all, its getting boring you sound bogus saying it shouldn't be 50/50 when you look at how much more Bradley's done, Gary Shaw wont settle for anything below 50/50 anyway, he's no mug. Unlike Khan who ripped McCloskey off and the british public by not letting the fight on on skysports 3

by BALTIMORA Sat 14 May 2011, 2:29 pm

Steven_89 wrote:but the suggestion of him getting the other reconised belt and you say it is a nothing fight.
AdZacO
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He's shot to bits and has always been a boxer, i couldn't care any littler if he was commited or not he has been fighting for years and is shot to bits, Holt, Alexander werent shot to bits and both beat Judah @140 imo. Im not contradicting myself at all, its getting boring you sound bogus saying it shouldn't be 50/50 when you look at how much more Bradley's done, Gary Shaw wont settle for anything below 50/50 anyway, he's no mug. Unlike Khan who ripped McCloskey off and the british public by not letting the fight on on skysports 3

When did Alexander beat Judah?

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:33 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:No Berto just lost to a better man on the night, losing a fight doesn't make you a hype job otherwise Khan is a nobody

Berto has proved nothing as a fighter so losing to him showed what a lot of people already thought of Bradley to be correct. He was a hype job. Khan took the best Maidana could give him and beat him he also dealt with Kotelnik really well and stopped Paulie Malignaggi which isn't easy to do.

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 2:34 pm

When did Alexander beat Judah?
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i said both beat him as an opinion, that will be all now its getting boring, i will go on record as saying prettyboykev is absolutely bang out of order for saying if he beats Judah he can demand 80/20, just because Khan's 'more popular', Micky Ward's more 'popular' than Aaron Pryor in many circles, nuff said.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:35 pm

What makes Maidana, Kotelnik and Malignaggi better than Collazo, Urango and Quintana?

Losing one fight doesn't make someone a hype job, this modern idea of losing being the be and end all is a bit pathetic, did Khan no harm getting obliterated by a nobody or is he a hype job because of that?

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:35 pm

Steven_89 wrote:but the suggestion of him getting the other reconised belt and you say it is a nothing fight.
AdZacO
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He's shot to bits and has always been a boxer, i couldn't care any littler if he was commited or not he has been fighting for years and is shot to bits, Holt, Alexander werent shot to bits and both beat Judah @140 imo. Im not contradicting myself at all, its getting boring you sound bogus saying it shouldn't be 50/50 when you look at how much more Bradley's done, Gary Shaw wont settle for anything below 50/50 anyway, he's no mug. Unlike Khan who ripped McCloskey off and the british public by not letting the fight on on skysports 3

Not true neither of them have beat Judah and he has only lost once at 140lbs and that was to Tszyu. All his other defeats have been at 147lbs. Don't make things up it makes you look even more stupid.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:36 pm

Did miss out the in my opinion bit, pretty obvious what he actually meant

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:37 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:What makes Maidana, Kotelnik and Malignaggi better than Collazo, Urango and Quintana?

Losing one fight doesn't make someone a hype job, this modern idea of losing being the be and end all is a bit pathetic, did Khan no harm getting obliterated by a nobody or is he a hype job because of that?

I'm not that big a Khan fan anyway and their is a lot of hype surrounding him.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:38 pm

You have a strange perception of hype, being considered a good fighter isn't hype

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:39 pm

Steven_89 wrote:
When did Alexander beat Judah?
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i said both beat him as an opinion, that will be all now its getting boring, i will go on record as saying prettyboykev is absolutely bang out of order for saying if he beats Judah he can demand 80/20, just because Khan's 'more popular', Micky Ward's more 'popular' than Aaron Pryor in many circles, nuff said.

You are clearly deluded a purse isn't dished out by how many titles you have or who you have beat. It's about how much you bring to the table. Bradley isn't a big draw in America.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:41 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:You have a strange perception of hype, being considered a good fighter isn't hype

I would consider being overrated as hype and Khan has been overrated by many. So has Ortiz since he beat the highly overrated Berto.

by AdZacO Sat 14 May 2011, 2:42 pm

Steven_89 wrote:but the suggestion of him getting the other reconised belt and you say it is a nothing fight.
AdZacO
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He's shot to bits and has always been a boxer, i couldn't care any littler if he was commited or not he has been fighting for years and is shot to bits, Holt, Alexander werent shot to bits and both beat Judah @140 imo. Im not contradicting myself at all, its getting boring you sound bogus saying it shouldn't be 50/50 when you look at how much more Bradley's done, Gary Shaw wont settle for anything below 50/50 anyway, he's no mug. Unlike Khan who ripped McCloskey off and the british public by not letting the fight on on skysports 3

Well hes shot is he? So who did Holt fight to and lose after he lost to Bradley? The guy you consider Bradleys second best fight? Was it Mabuza for the title elimanter, which Holt lost, and Judah went on to beat Mabuza? I think you overate Holt and underestimate Judah.

Second the 50/50, i actually think 60/40 Khan thing just shows you don't understand the business side. It is simple. With 40 percent, Bradley get his highest payday, Bradley and Alexander couldnt even sell out the fight between them? That shows you what he brings to the table.

by AdZacO Sat 14 May 2011, 2:43 pm

not sure what happened there, last two paragraphs mine

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:45 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
The Mighty Atom wrote:You have a strange perception of hype, being considered a good fighter isn't hype

I would consider being overrated as hype and Khan has been overrated by many. So has Ortiz since he beat the highly overrated Berto.

In what way are either over rated? It's also impossible to say one way or another at this stage of their respective careers, if by the end they have shown no more than they already have then possibly but right now it's a bit presumptuous

by BALTIMORA Sat 14 May 2011, 2:48 pm

Steven_89 wrote:
When did Alexander beat Judah?
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i said both beat him as an opinion, that will be all now its getting boring, i will go on record as saying prettyboykev is absolutely bang out of order for saying if he beats Judah he can demand 80/20, just because Khan's 'more popular', Micky Ward's more 'popular' than Aaron Pryor in many circles, nuff said.

80/20 no, but 50/50 yes, and if Khan were to beat Judah and hold two belts he'd be entitled to more.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:48 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
The Mighty Atom wrote:You have a strange perception of hype, being considered a good fighter isn't hype

I would consider being overrated as hype and Khan has been overrated by many. So has Ortiz since he beat the highly overrated Berto.

In what way are either over rated? It's also impossible to say one way or another at this stage of their respective careers, if by the end they have shown no more than they already have then possibly but right now it's a bit presumptuous

I base it on having watched them and how I think about them as boxers compared to the way they are talked about by broadcasters, promoters etc.. who all have their own agenda.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:50 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
Steven_89 wrote:
When did Alexander beat Judah?
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i said both beat him as an opinion, that will be all now its getting boring, i will go on record as saying prettyboykev is absolutely bang out of order for saying if he beats Judah he can demand 80/20, just because Khan's 'more popular', Micky Ward's more 'popular' than Aaron Pryor in many circles, nuff said.

80/20 no, but 50/50 yes, and if Khan were to beat Judah and hold two belts he'd be entitled to more.

Why should he split 50/50 with Bradley? Bradley can't sell a fight and doesn't bring as much money to the table. 80/20 was my idea and was only if Khan was to fight Judah and beat him before Bradley that would make him the much bigger draw over there.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 14 May 2011, 2:51 pm

Note to self: no modern fighter is allowed to lose

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 2:55 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:Note to self: no modern fighter is allowed to lose

My opinion on Khan isn't based around his loss to Prescott. Don't even consider it. It's about his inability to use his boxing skills and how he reacts when he gets hit.

Ortiz I was never impressed with the opponents he beat before Maidana and then he quit then their was Peterson as well.

Bradley is different he looked good when he was winning but was quite wide open and always felt a come forward strong fighter would walk all over him.

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 8:00 pm

Southpaw you really don't have a clue do you
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what and you do? you could write on the back of a postage stamp what you know about boxing, you know little

by BALTIMORA Sat 14 May 2011, 8:08 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Steven_89 wrote:
When did Alexander beat Judah?
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i said both beat him as an opinion, that will be all now its getting boring, i will go on record as saying prettyboykev is absolutely bang out of order for saying if he beats Judah he can demand 80/20, just because Khan's 'more popular', Micky Ward's more 'popular' than Aaron Pryor in many circles, nuff said.

80/20 no, but 50/50 yes, and if Khan were to beat Judah and hold two belts he'd be entitled to more.

Why should he split 50/50 with Bradley? Bradley can't sell a fight and doesn't bring as much money to the table. 80/20 was my idea and was only if Khan was to fight Judah and beat him before Bradley that would make him the much bigger draw over there.

Er...I was agreeing with you wasn't I? I dunno about 80/20 still, even if Khan were to beat Judah, but I'm in full agreement that as Khan brings more money to the table it significantly negates Bradley holding more belts at this current moment in time.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 8:38 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Steven_89 wrote:
When did Alexander beat Judah?
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i said both beat him as an opinion, that will be all now its getting boring, i will go on record as saying prettyboykev is absolutely bang out of order for saying if he beats Judah he can demand 80/20, just because Khan's 'more popular', Micky Ward's more 'popular' than Aaron Pryor in many circles, nuff said.

80/20 no, but 50/50 yes, and if Khan were to beat Judah and hold two belts he'd be entitled to more.

Why should he split 50/50 with Bradley? Bradley can't sell a fight and doesn't bring as much money to the table. 80/20 was my idea and was only if Khan was to fight Judah and beat him before Bradley that would make him the much bigger draw over there.

Er...I was agreeing with you wasn't I? I dunno about 80/20 still, even if Khan were to beat Judah, but I'm in full agreement that as Khan brings more money to the table it significantly negates Bradley holding more belts at this current moment in time.

Sort of although I think 50/50 is unfair on Khan the American public just don't care about Bradley. A win over Judah would propell Khan to another level than Bradley in terms of cash he can generate that's why I said 80/20. The belts Bradley brings to the table is pretty irrelevant.

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 10:28 pm

Sort of although I think 50/50 is unfair on Khan the American public just don't care about Bradley
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He's big in Palm Springs, my mam's sister lives there and they love him there, its a shame he isnt in wider parts of the States as they know there boxing and he is a brilliant little fighter who has achieved a lot for his age, and is a real grounded guy.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 10:39 pm

I really like him he is unfairly pigeonholed as a one dimensional fighter because of his style but he is a more talented than that. His defence can be pretty good and he has great head movement to get inside. He is a great athlete and a real good pro.

I think he will beat Khan but he might just need to accept a bit less cash because beating Khan would make him more popular and ensure some big paydays. Frank Warren would probably build a statue of him in his garden if he beat Khan.

by Young_Towzer Sat 14 May 2011, 10:45 pm

I think he will beat Khan but he might just need to accept a bit less cash because beating Khan would make him more popular and ensure some big paydays. Frank Warren would probably build a statue of him in his garden if he beat Khan.
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Frank's always good value on a saturday in the sun for slating fighters, Khan has been called everything since leaving him, so as Hatton, Calzaghe, Brook, DeGale would be an hype job if he jumped ship to golden boy.

by BALTIMORA Sat 14 May 2011, 10:47 pm

Steven_89 wrote:I think he will beat Khan but he might just need to accept a bit less cash because beating Khan would make him more popular and ensure some big paydays. Frank Warren would probably build a statue of him in his garden if he beat Khan.
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Frank's always good value on a saturday in the sun for slating fighters, Khan has been called everything since leaving him, so as Hatton, Calzaghe, Brook, DeGale would be an hype job if he jumped ship to golden boy.

He's funny but for all the wrong reasons. I've never known such a petty, bitter, frog-eyed git.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 14 May 2011, 10:48 pm

He's a bitter man, we don't get his column in Scotland should go on the website and read it more. Although on Khan he blames his Dad more than Khan.

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