David Haye

What now for the absent boxer? Where does he go from here? From talking his way to a world title to ducking out of so many high profile fights leaving opponents out of pocket, promoters out of pocket and many fans out of pocket and peeved. If he fights again who will take the risk and promote his fight? Will other boxers sign up to be on the undercard thinking that it could be cancelled if his back, toes, wrist, c0ck gets hurt?

I'm a fan of his but frankly getting totally fracked off with a semi skilled part time boxer taking the pish out of the noble sport of boxing.

Say what you want about Fury but he is a true fighting man and respectful to his fans. He never lets them down.

The only way Haye can redeem himself is with a quick rescheduling of the Fury fight. Whether it was his fault or not, it was his injury so it will be seen as his fault.

I think he will do what he always does. Lie low for a while until his injury heals and then start appearing on various shows and media outlets challenging various fighters and making bold claims, publicity stunts and big promises on a relentless basis until he manages to create a PPV fight out of nothing. Basically talk his way into another fight.

Fury looked like he was about to cry in the last interview I saw with him. He said he sacrificed a shot at the title to fight Haye and was moving on without him now so I cant see a reschedule anytime soon.

I'll just re-post what I just posted on the other thread;

I don't think anyone believes Haye got cut on purpose, and if they do they're mental. It's not whether the cut is genuine, it's how avoidable was it and was Haye doing enough to protect the interests of the fight, the promotors, Sky and the paying fans.

To get a cut like that means he was either sparring very hard with head gear on a week before the fight, or sparring without head gear on. Accidents happen, but why do they always happen to Haye? This is his 3rd cancellation, his 2nd on the trot. He is peeing off boxing fans and leaving himself nowhere to go opponent wise.

As a cruiser I was a huge fan of his, and looked forward to his move to heavy. But since he moved up his career has become nothing short of a farce - clown fights, pull outs, media stunts, inactivity, it's one thing after another with him and I would now class myself as a former fan who has lost patience with him. If (big if) the fight does happen then perhaps a win for fury for be best all round, put an end to the Haye circus & allow a guy that, although less talented, is actually interested in being a boxer to pursue the bigger challenges.

I am disgusted that Haye would compromise the nobility of the sport. The idea of him being associated with the sport that gave us Blinky Palermo, Mike Tyson, Jose Suleman and Don King sickens me.

catchweight wrote:I think he will do what he always does. Lie low for a while until his injury heals and then start appearing on various shows and media outlets challenging various fighters and making bold claims, publicity stunts and big promises on a relentless basis until he manages to create a PPV fight out of nothing. Basically talk his way into another fight.

I reckon the ship has sailed with those type of stunts. People will be wary of him. Pulled out from the Vitali Charr, Wlad and God knows who else. This is probably the last straw. It is for me. I'll use other means to watch his next fight to avoid paying for it.

King, Tyson and Suleman have done more for boxing than Haye. Haye is a crook.

I don't think it's a case of Haye being a crook or being surprised that someone in boxing has few scruples, it's more a case of just not being arsed with him anymore, simple as that. If all his BS led to exciting fights then that would be a positive, but we can't really even say that about him. Like I say not blaming him for the cut, that would be ridiculous, just exasperated with the guy and the long line of disappointments that has been his HW career.

Rowley wrote:I am disgusted that Haye would compromise the nobility of the sport. The idea of him being associated with the sport that gave us Blinky Palermo, Mike Tyson, Jose Suleman and Don King sickens me.

If panama Lewis were dead, he'd be turning in his grave at this haye character besmirching the good name of boxing.

For those able to read I said haye was taking the pish out of boxing. Yes there are worse characters out there. But that is like saying a murderer is ok because he didn't kill as many as Hitler. (now for the comments that I'm comparing haye to a murderer).

milkyboy wrote:

Rowley wrote:I am disgusted that Haye would compromise the nobility of the sport. The idea of him being associated with the sport that gave us Blinky Palermo, Mike Tyson, Jose Suleman and Don King sickens me.

If panama Lewis were dead, he'd be turning in his grave at this haye character besmirching the good name of boxing.

Cheers mate, nearly choked to death on my breakfast.

Every cloud has a silver lining. Fury gets to fight a motivated and in shape Chisora which will be a better fight than the one sided knockout that would've happened in the Haye fight.

Haye to go to America to fight Arreola anyone?

I think the problem lies with Haye himself; specifically his opinion of himself. He has a big dig on him, that is for sure, but he is only exciting when he chooses to actually use it. Because of his hit & run tactics, fans of his are always thinking to themsleves "When is the Hayemaker coming?!" and it is the anticipation of this that keeps them watching.

Everybody in boxing loves an explosive knock-out; this sort of thing sells far more easily to the average punter. Diehard fans will appreciate the slick skills and defensive nous of Mayweather, but a KO artist does have more all-round appeal. Look at the mid to late 80s when Mike Tyson was at his peak. Good fighters were being rolled over by the wrecking ball. And most people loved to see it; certainly the general public talked about him. The Klitschkos, whilst extremely effective, just don't have that excitement. Outside of Germany not many non-boxing fans know (or probably care) who they are or which one is which.

And this is where Haye thinks he should come in. He believes he is exciting, mainly because in his winning fights he has only gone the distance twice, and one of the those was supposedly because he was urged to by his corner. The other was Valuev, who despite what Haye said, he was never going to KO. However, he is injury-prone. Back, hand, cut, lies, whatever it may be, he certainly has form here.

The viewing public are probably going to fast lose patience with him; it seems more likely these days that when he schedules a fight that the bookies won't give you worthwhile odds on it going ahead. He has talent that is for sure, but he mis-sells his fights on excitement and instead delivering pot-shots and the occasional big shot. Soon the public won't care any more.

I'm a haye fan (the boxer) but he has to do something asap no publicity stunts no stalling , no holding out for more money and no day time tv shows, get the fury back on or as I suspect fury runs get a fight sorted sorted and announced in the next couple of weeks , he has to show he is the best around and fast or he will lose more fans , only actions will save him now

He got cut it happens just part of the game, lots of fighters spar close to fight night. Its is unfortunate but these things happen and i should imagine Haye will be as gutted as Fury. Using it as a stick to beat Haye with and call him silly names is frankly pathetic.

Rowley wrote:I am disgusted that Haye would compromise the nobility of the sport. The idea of him being associated with the sport that gave us Blinky Palermo, Mike Tyson, Jose Suleman and Don King sickens me.

Has the "Dark Lord" hijacked the moderators accounts or something.

ShahenshahG wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

Rowley wrote:I am disgusted that Haye would compromise the nobility of the sport. The idea of him being associated with the sport that gave us Blinky Palermo, Mike Tyson, Jose Suleman and Don King sickens me.

If panama Lewis were dead, he'd be turning in his grave at this haye character besmirching the good name of boxing.

Cheers mate, nearly choked to death on my breakfast.

Sorry about that bud... Just a bowl of cereal? Or we're you feasting on the entrails of small children like mr haye?

if Haye can come back from the Audley fight and maintain a large section of his fanbase after the Wlad fight then im sure a fight cancelled because of what appears to be a genuine injury is no problem to him.

Hayes stock is not as big as it once was. the Charr fight was possibly cancelled due to low tickets sales, but Haye still has a big name and whatever he does next there will plenty of fans interested.

milkyboy wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

Rowley wrote:I am disgusted that Haye would compromise the nobility of the sport. The idea of him being associated with the sport that gave us Blinky Palermo, Mike Tyson, Jose Suleman and Don King sickens me.

If panama Lewis were dead, he'd be turning in his grave at this haye character besmirching the good name of boxing.

Cheers mate, nearly choked to death on my breakfast.

Sorry about that bud... Just a bowl of cereal? Or we're you feasting on the entrails of small children like mr haye?

Just some cheese flan and fishfingers. Interesting though, that you should voice that peculiarity of Mr Haye's - do you reckon he's cut himself uncorking the chianti?

Hannibal haye? Wasn't hannibal hayes a character in 'alias smith and jones'. Milky showing his age once again.

Given the decapitated head thing with k2 I think it's safe to say nothing is too low for boxings devil worshipping deviant, shah

milkyboy wrote:Hannibal haye? Wasn't hannibal hayes a character in 'alias smith and jones'. Milky showing his age once again.

Given the decapitated head thing with k2 I think it's safe to say nothing is too low for boxings devil worshipping deviant, shah

The western governments have been desperately searching for the leaders of the terrorists group that pose direct threats to their countries - Just like Jimmy saville he hides in plain sight - Al Qahayeda

Seriously though I think that this was the straw that broke the camels back - just goes to show that even defenseless animals arent safe from David Haye

I personally think he just be jailed for at least 5 years. Getting a cut while sparring is unacceptable for a boxer. They should be ticking each other with feather dusters.

Really disappointed I've been looking forward to this fight for weeks.
I feel gutted for the fans who had tickets. Given Haye's record for pulling out of fights however genuine should there have been a reserve boxer on standby for the fans? Sam Sexton maybe?
Also does anyone know who Haye was sparring so hard less than a week before such a big fight?

Wellington wrote:Really disappointed I've been looking forward to this fight for weeks.
I feel gutted for the fans who had tickets. Given Haye's record for pulling out of fights however genuine should there have been a reserve boxer on standby for the fans? Sam Sexton maybe?
Also does anyone know who Haye was sparring so hard less than a week before such a big fight?

People paid to see Haye v Fury, not Fury v a no hoper.

Wellington wrote:Really disappointed I've been looking forward to this fight for weeks.
I feel gutted for the fans who had tickets. Given Haye's record for pulling out of fights however genuine should there have been a reserve boxer on standby for the fans? Sam Sexton maybe?
Also does anyone know who Haye was sparring so hard less than a week before such a big fight?

According to Haye's version of events he didn't even realise he was cut until the round was over. That to me would suggest it was not a blistering punch which he was caught with.

Yeah, Haye's version of events. And he is always telling the truth isn't he?

There are rumours going around that if the Fury fight cant be rescheduled Haye would be looking to fight Paddy Doherty on Sky Box Office in early December.

Statement released by Haye regarding a potential domestic superfight with Paddy Doherty.

"Paddy has been very vocal lately about calling me out. He has said some things in the media about me which I havent taken too seriously up until now. Obviously Paddys a good friend of Tyson Fury, I think they might be related or inbred or something and hes not happy that Tyson has decided to move on from a fight with me. People keep stopping me in the street now saying when am I going to shut Paddy you know? So if Tyson wont step in the ring with me again what better way to tempt him back than by knocking out his half brother, or step uncle or whoever he is?"

Paddys repsonse on twitter.

"Its true, I have said some things about Haye. He is not a real celebrity boxer. I only respect real celebrity boxers. Where I come from if you arent a celebrity boxer you are nobody. David Haye likes to think hes a big shot and a celebrity but compared to me hes nothing. David Haye only finished third in Im a celebrity but everyone knows I won celebrity big brother. Im going to step in the ring and prove Im a better celebrity boxer than Haye and we will do this old fashioned way in a carpark so he doesnt have any excuses about cuts or injuries. He can duck Tyson Fury but he cant duck me!"

azania wrote:Yeah, Haye's version of events. And he is always telling the truth isn't he?

So you're basing your version of events on what? The thoughts of some board members. Flawless logic.

The fight seems to be building nicely:

Haye:

"Yeah I read the comments from Paddy about being a celebrity boxer and to be honest I havent really taken any notice. I genuinely believe I am the best celebrity boxer on the planet. Paddy calls himself a celebrity boxer but hes in embarrassing shape for someone who claims to be a real celebrity boxer. I wouldnt be caught dead in public looking like Paddy. Hes completely out of shape. I had the best camp of my career. Adam had told me he had never seen my abs looking so good. When the cut happened in sparring my first thought was, F**K that doesnt look good. How can I go out in public with that? Fortunately the surgeon did a great job on it and as you can see its barely noticeable. I enjoy wearing sunglasses anyway so anyone who sees me in public wont be able to tell anythings up. It will be business as usual from my perspective"

Paddy hit back later:

"If Haye was a real celebrity boxer he wouldnt be fighting as often as he does. It shows hes not taking the lifestyle seriously. He has the cheek to question my dedication but look at my track record. I won celebrity big brother. I havent had a fight in 30 years. 30 years. Haye fights almost every 2 years. Everbody can tell he is a fraud celebrity boxer"

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:Yeah, Haye's version of events. And he is always telling the truth isn't he?

So you're basing your version of events on what? The thoughts of some board members. Flawless logic.

Once again you put your argument forward and assume it to be fact. My opinion is based on common sense.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:Yeah, Haye's version of events. And he is always telling the truth isn't he?

So you're basing your version of events on what? The thoughts of some board members. Flawless logic.

Once again you put your argument forward and assume it to be fact.  My opinion is based on common sense.

I haven't assumed it is fact. I am just using some common sense. Try it some time.

No. You are swallowing Hayes version of events. That is hardly common sense is it?

Haye, above all else, loves money. I see no reason why he would be sparring without head gear.

Of course you have made you allegiance with Fury so are unable to be objective.

It has a feeling of the boy who cried wolf with Haye. Could and probably was an accident but it ia all too familiar with the bloke. Stood by Haye in the past but this is really disappointing.

Delays in fights due to injuries in sparring do happen. the Ali Liston rematch was delayed because of Ali suffering a hernia, and Foreman cut his eye in preparing for his fight with Ali and the fight was delayed for a month.Haye's cut over the eye was in a bad place and if it had occured during the fight, the fight would probably have been called off. I'm sure both fighters will want the bout to be rescheduled as it will be the most anticipitated fight in Britain.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Haye, above all else, loves money. I see no reason why he would be sparring without head gear.

Of course you have made you allegiance with Fury so are unable to be objective.

I haven't said he wasn't wearing headgear. I said light sparring with headgear is unlikely to cause such a cut. It was probably a heavy sparring session.

But go ahead and continue with the name calling mate.

Exactly sean. That's how I see it also.

azania wrote:King, Tyson and Suleman have done more for boxing than Haye. Haye is a crook.

So are two of the aforementioned.

And crook? I know you like to be a bit of a prat, but even your brain must have the capacity to comprehend that doing yourself out of £5m is about the lamest 'crook' thing ever.

Tend to agree Top Hat. The defining characteristic of Haye's heavyweight career thus far has been taking whatever fight offers the most money for the minimal risk, is why Valuev was chosen over a Klitschko, was why Audley got his shot and was why Chisora was taken when a Vitali fight was on the table. Fury fits the bill perfectly, massive payday and minimal ability to actually beat Haye. Completely illogical to suggest Haye is pulling a stroke to get out of this fight. At worst he has been somewhat cavalier about when he stops sparring in the build up, nothing more.

Sigh. Look at his history. Ducked Charr to fight Fury. Pi$$ed all over k2 and blamed his pinky for an abject performance against Wlad. The man is a crook.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Haye, above all else, loves money. I see no reason why he would be sparring without head gear.

Of course you have made you allegiance with Fury so are unable to be objective.

I haven't said he wasn't wearing headgear. I said light sparring with headgear is unlikely to cause such a cut. It was probably a heavy sparring session.

But go ahead and continue with the name calling mate.

As professionals have alluded to, sparring even days before a fight is perfectly normal. As long as he took precautions with head gear then he's done nothing wrong. If the cut happened 4 weeks ago the fight would still be off. Just because it was one week away it does not mean he should be doing tippy tappy stuff.

If this was Fury who was injured he'd be getting all the sympathy in the world.

Izzi wrote:Every cloud has a silver lining. Fury gets to fight a motivated and in shape Chisora which will be a better fight than the one sided knockout that would've happened in the Haye fight.

Haye to go to America to fight Arreola anyone?

This is a good, and overlooked on here it seems, point.

Chisora looked is very good shape and put in a strong performance the other night. He was 2 STONES lighter than when he troubled Fury back when they were both novices, would be geuinely interested to see a rematch between them now.

Unfortunately Fury has deulsions of glory now and, a bit like Haye is often knocked for, will probably think he's too good to be fighting a Chisora so it may never happen. Especially as there's some genuine risk with minimal reward. He pulled out of the Pulev fight because taking on a little more risk in Haye got him masses more reward, that's smart. But now the poor bloke is left with nothing out of the whole debacle. Feel genuinely sorry for him in that respect. However to come full circle, beating Euro champ Chisora would put him straight back in contention to be a world level challenger again.

I haven't said he pulled a stroke to get out of the fight. I question his build up. Especially apparent hard sparring a week before a major fight. He was cavalier about it all in risking the whole bill and other fighters.

azania wrote:Sigh. Look at his history.  Ducked Charr to fight Fury. Pi$$ed all over k2 and blamed his pinky for an abject performance against Wlad. The man is a crook.

Presumably you apply the exact same logic to Fury re Pulev then, Az??

azania wrote:Sigh. Look at his history.  Ducked Charr to fight Fury. Pi$$ed all over k2 and blamed his pinky for an abject performance against Wlad. The man is a crook.

Just like Fury ducked to fight Haye. You didn't have a problem with that.

Deliberately altering words to get past the swear filter is against to rules. Maybe I should report you like you have done to me. Then again maybe not, I'm not a wimp.

The type of sparring LJ. If you can't understand that please move your lips when reading.

If Fury got injured he would be taken to task and his heritage brought up. You would join in also.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:Sigh. Look at his history.  Ducked Charr to fight Fury. Pi$$ed all over k2 and blamed his pinky for an abject performance against Wlad. The man is a crook.

Just like Fury ducked to fight Haye. You didn't have a problem with that.

Deliberately altering words to get past the swear filter is against to rules. Maybe I should report you like you have done to me. Then again maybe not, I'm not a wimp.

You will find that I didn't report you Mr HardMan.