Poll: Can Lewis still beat Wlad?

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I don't expect to see Lewis back int he ring, but if he did come back to take on Wlad, could he beat him?

Hoenstly, I say yes. Wlad is a big lump of hug. One left right combo and Lewis would have Wlad on Bambi legs.

After seeing him this weekend, I am more convinced than ever that Wlad is one of the worst HW champs to have reigned for some time. He relies on his size, and when that isn't enough, he cheats. Leaning, hugging, throwing to the floor. It is pathetic to watch. He has not one single name on his record who I consider a world class heavy and would have been battered by an array of 90's heavyweights.

Lennox by KO.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Lewis wants 100 million....

If I remember, Calzaghe said if someone offered him £10 million he'd come back......I think hes still waiting by his phone, just waiting on the call that will never come

Well now that froch is a massive international superstar... who's to say. Dream the impossible dream.

If Lewis could get back to fighting shape he would have a shout. Problem is at 48 years old and about 4 stone overweight I just cant see it happening. The Vitali Lewis beat was a hell of a better fighter than the current Wlad though. Corrie Sanders would have beaten Wlad ten times out of ten.

Sanders was a southpaw..........

Bit silly to even debate it frankly. I voted Wlad on points because I think its possible that even a 48 year old Lennox after a 6 month training camp may have the nous and guile to avoid being knocked out....given that for him to even enter the ring he and his team would be confident he is fighting fit enough to make it competitive.

Just think its as daft as Steve Collins after over a decade of inactivity challenging Roy Jones who whilst a very diminished fighter, has at least been active....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Sanders was a southpaw..........

Im not using it as a measuring stick to say Lewis would win. Ive often defended the brothers in the past. But I have to say the praise Wlad has been getting in the UK since beating Haye has gone a bit over the top. Vitali at his best was a great heavy, and he was not at all boring. Wlad has always been vulnerable

I think Lewis at his best beats wlad but not without a struggle Lewis right now ends up brain dead. No one can be so moronic to actually believe he has a chance in hell with the possible exception of Waingro and Gordy.

Lewis has said he wants 100 million, because that's what it would cost for him to ruin his legacy. He knows it would be extremely difficult.

But hes 48 now, he could probably enjoy spending 100 million on good courses more than he will enjoying his reputation for 20 years.

This is a joke right?
No reasonable or intelligent person can give Lewis any chance here.
Even the likes of Fury and Thompson would slap Lewis around now.

I think a fit, motivated 48 year old Lennox would have too much for Fury though. Too much skill, and he'd knock him out quite fast....all assuming Lennox was fit of course..

J.Benson II wrote:This is a joke right?
No reasonable or intelligent person can give Lewis any chance here.
Even the likes of Fury and Thompson would slap Lewis around now.

Problem is nobody with any intelligence would have given Mormeck a chance. The fight still happened and had to be sold. Lewis has a slightly better chance than Mormeck. Don't expect he would do too much worse than Briggs either. 100 million, even though you know you gonna lose, is still tempting

Lance wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:This is a joke right?
No reasonable or intelligent person can give Lewis any chance here.
Even the likes of Fury and Thompson would slap Lewis around now.

Problem is nobody with any intelligence would have given Mormeck a chance. The fight still happened and had to be sold. Lewis has a slightly better chance than Mormeck. Don't expect he would do too much worse than Briggs either. 100 million, even though you know you gonna lose, is still tempting

As I've said before, if Lewis was serious about returning, he would have done so already. Vitali was calling him out for years.

Lewis is long finished. Some deluded morons seem to seriously think that a 48 year old Lewis would still be similar to the one that fought Vitali. That fight was over ten years ago.

Some people are seriously underestimating the rapid decline his body would gone through since then (through both age and rust).
If he returns, he'd be shockingly bad. As I've said, Thompson would slap him up.

J.Benson II wrote:

Lance wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:This is a joke right?
No reasonable or intelligent person can give Lewis any chance here.
Even the likes of Fury and Thompson would slap Lewis around now.

Problem is nobody with any intelligence would have given Mormeck a chance. The fight still happened and had to be sold. Lewis has a slightly better chance than Mormeck. Don't expect he would do too much worse than Briggs either. 100 million, even though you know you gonna lose, is still tempting

As I've said before, if Lewis was serious about returning, he would have done so already. Vitali was calling him out for years.

Lewis is long finished. Some deluded morons seem to seriously think that a 48 year old Lewis would still be similar to the one that fought Vitali. That fight was over ten years ago.

Some people are seriously underestimating the rapid decline his body would gone through since then (through both age and rust).
If he returns, he'd be shockingly bad. As I've said, Thompson would slap him up.

Maybe Lewis seeing Price up close it makes him think he can clean up at the weight.........

I'd pick him to beat price......"Hold him for two rounds and then watch him collapse knackered to the canvas.........."

But Wlad is a bit different.........

Red Rum was a great horse, truly magnificent. If I saw Red Rum being whipped by Hedgehunter - a good champion, but not Red Rum - there would be a national outcry.

Additionally, as Don King pointed out wrt Chavez - accusations of animal cruelty.

Lewis was a fantastic champion - the ONLY comeback and rematch there was for him was Vitali - back in 2003. 10 years too late and irrelevant.

Lennox would get jabbed and hugged silly. His frame does not imply much mobility and whilst I can't blame him for wanting a big pile of cash to make his pension last that much longer, he shouldn't prostitute himself for this.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:

Lance wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:This is a joke right?
No reasonable or intelligent person can give Lewis any chance here.
Even the likes of Fury and Thompson would slap Lewis around now.

Problem is nobody with any intelligence would have given Mormeck a chance. The fight still happened and had to be sold. Lewis has a slightly better chance than Mormeck. Don't expect he would do too much worse than Briggs either. 100 million, even though you know you gonna lose, is still tempting

As I've said before, if Lewis was serious about returning, he would have done so already. Vitali was calling him out for years.

Lewis is long finished. Some deluded morons seem to seriously think that a 48 year old Lewis would still be similar to the one that fought Vitali. That fight was over ten years ago.

Some people are seriously underestimating the rapid decline his body would gone through since then (through both age and rust).
If he returns, he'd be shockingly bad. As I've said, Thompson would slap him up.

Maybe Lewis seeing  Price up close it makes him think he can clean up at the weight.........

I'd pick him to beat price......"Hold him for two rounds and then watch him collapse knackered to the canvas.........."

But Wlad is a bit different.........

The thing is, how good would Lewis' stamina be? I think he'd end up being the one who would drop to the canvas through exhaustion after a few rounds.

Lewis can console himself with the fact that he's already KO'd Wlad, albeit in a movie  

No chance now but when Lewis was active he would have dealt with Wlad easily. They were scheduled to fight in 2003 I think but Wlad was stopped by Sanders and he decided to fight his brother instead. At the time I think the younger brother was considered the better of the two.To expect Lewis to come out of retirement and do a Foreman without a few warm up fights and then hope to put a few shots together and put Wlad away is dreaming and I was a big fan of Lewis.

rapidringsroad wrote:   No chance now but when Lewis was active he would have dealt with Wlad easily. They were scheduled to fight in 2003 I think but Wlad was stopped by Sanders and he decided to fight his brother instead. At the time I think the younger brother was considered the better of the two.To expect Lewis to come out of retirement and do a Foreman without a few warm up fights and then hope to put a few shots together and put Wlad away is dreaming and I was a big fan of Lewis.

Wlad fought sanders 2 months after lewis fought Vitali so wlad losing to sanders had no bearing over lewis choosing vitali instead of wlad to fight.

From what I have read, Vitali was the number 1 contender to face Lewis however Lewis wanted to fight a rematch with Tyson. Negotiations with Tyson for a rematch failed and negotiations to fight Vital failed so lewis agreed to fight Johnson. Johnson pulled out 2 weeks before the fight and Lewis agreed to fight Klitschko.

If Manny shouts get up you S.O.B cos Manny loves you.

I'd give him a shout

You are right Champagne, I got my facts wrong about the Sanders fight but at the time I would have picked Lewis to beat Wlad.At 48 Lewis would struggle to get back in shape and why would he? to look silly losing to someone who didn't look impressive against a hopelessly outclassed opponent in his last outing.

Lance wrote:Lewis has said he wants 100 million, because that's what it would cost for him to ruin his legacy. He knows it would be extremely difficult.

But hes 48 now, he could probably enjoy spending 100 million on good courses more than he will enjoying his reputation for 20 years.

Nobody is going to give him 100 million, it's a ridiculous number he used as a joke, for effect.

Wow! You're only as good as your last fight eh? Yes Wlad was terrible against Povetkin, but the Wlad that has dominated for the past 8/9 years would probably splatter Lewis early, and Lewis is my favorite boxer, so you'd expect me to say he'd win. Its too late, he's too far gone and Wlad is just too good. Lets not assess Wlads entire ability on a very poor show against Povetkin. You insult him for no good reason.

armchairwarrior wrote:
Just think its as daft as Steve Collins after over a decade of inactivity challenging Roy Jones who whilst a very diminished fighter, has at least been active....

I think it's even more daft than that... it's like Steve Collins coming back to fight Carl Froch. The Ks are still at the top of the pile (even Vitali).

Remember how bad Hatton was when he came back? Clumsy, no timing, no snap to his punches, slow on his feet... unrecognisable from the guy who easily dismantled Malignaggi 4 yrs earlier. This would be worse. Much worse.

Luckily it is not actually going to happen.

Can't believe so many back Lewis now to beat Wlad.

In their 'primes' I would heavily favour Lewis but Lewis has been retired for over 10 years and would be incredibly unfit and rusty.

Wlad all day for me.

I imagine most that backed Lewis are currently on the cheese thread......

Bless them..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I imagine most that backed Lewis are currently on the cheese thread......

Bless them..

 

Just out of interest - the first knockdown in Wlads fight with povetkin - the short left hook - how the hell did he get any power into it?

Lewis would get KTFO by Wlad. Whoever thinks otherwise should see a shrink or Oxring. Personally I'd rather chew glass than see either.   

ShahenshahG wrote:Just out of interest - the first knockdown in Wlads fight with povetkin - the short left hook - how the hell did he get any power into it?

Wlad has a very good left hook that not many people talk about.

Lewis would lose