The Worst arguments you've ever heard on 606 ??

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:44 am

First topic message reminder :

1. "Duran lost to Hearns because he was much bigger at 154 !!"........Barkley was 6ft 1 and 160...........Hagler 160 and he lost by a point !!

2. "Mayweather isn't top 10 because he didn't beat anyone decent...But Louis is at 6"...............No rebuttal needed there..

3. "Hearns didn't deserve a rematch with Marvin"..Despite the Fight of the decade and knocking out the number one contender of both wbc and WBA.....love to know what you have to do for one.....

4. "Leon Spinks is better than Muhammad Ali"........

5. "Fury would knock out both Klits who are both duckers"......Have a suspicion this guy was an alias........

6. "Roach says Mayweather is overrated and he knows his stuff"...........Not that he'd be biased in anyway...

7 "Oscar isn't a great because he lost his biggest fights".........Whittaker, Chavez, Mayorga etc...........

8 "Leonard is an easy night for Hagler"..........Vito gets a draw, Duran loses by one point.......Roldan and Hamsho make Marv struggle....

9. " Robinson plays with Jones Jr".......Like he did with Turpin twice.........

10. "Truss has 9 aliases on here"............I don't like odd numbers.

by DoubleD22 Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:05 am

The loaded gloves one was hilarious. I literally sat here waiting for the replies D4 was going to get.

by DoubleD22 Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:08 am

Was it also D4 who put up the post detailing all of Manny's skeletal dimensions as a way to explain his rise up the weights?

That was a good one!

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:17 am

"Ten reasons why Manny would be Mayweather was good"............

Experience.............Speed............Defence................. Rolling Eyes

(just been face down against Marquez in his last fight!!)

by Rodney Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:24 am

How about the one, that Mayweather was asking for drug tests to clean up the sport. Laughable considering he doesn't commit to the 24/7 tests.

Cheers Rodders

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:20 pm

Hypocrital fighter hey.........First of his kind..........

His main problem is he was born after WW2..

by Guest Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:57 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
sohotnot wrote:
Y I Man wrote:The Worst arguments you've ever heard on 606 ??

Take your pick:
https://www.606v2.com/spa/D4thincarnation
Always going to be hard to overlook that loaded gloves makes boxing safer.
"Manny doesn't want to be tested because he's scared of needles"......Was a good one.

D4 was almost saying he was connected to the promotion & had seen details of various contracts for the fight! Remember him posting the links with Arums countdown clock?

by Guest Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:01 pm

DoubleD22 wrote:Was it also D4 who put up the post detailing all of Manny's skeletal dimensions as a way to explain his rise up the weights?

That was a good one!

Unfortunately not as you could've dismissed that immediately. I forget who posted it but I remember reading the link & it did make a lot of sense although naturally enough there were other people in the field that dismissed it. Funnily enough it was in regards to wrist girth & that many had thick wrists just like D4's right!

by Guest Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:03 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hypocrital fighter hey.........First of his kind..........

His main problem is he was born after WW2..

More to the point he never fought in the pre television era.

by Guest Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:22 pm

Hi Truss, it was a while ago but I posted an article about Oscar de la Hoya not being a great, and the debate was pretty interesting.I still stand by my original opinion, ,ainly cos he DID tend to lose his most important fights.He was a very, very good fighter,mind.I genuinely think that the titles he won through the divisions flatter to deceive also.Now my bias is against the WBO, who let's not forget allowed not only a bunch of real stinky fighters to become belt-holders but once had a dead man as a belt-holder.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar being in the same ballpark?Not a chance.Pre- WBO and Ray cleaned up, winning almost all the main fights.I do get why ODLH is rated, I like him a lot, but I think he was box-office cos he was good looking- it's the way of thew world I know.Sorry to bring in a football comparison, but it is why David Beckham was better known than Paul Scholes.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:04 pm

Nice to hear from you Mate.......Remember the article.......

We disagree but that's not a problem..

by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:29 pm

sohotnot wrote:
DoubleD22 wrote:Was it also D4 who put up the post detailing all of Manny's skeletal dimensions as a way to explain his rise up the weights?

That was a good one!
Unfortunately not as you could've dismissed that immediately. I forget who posted it but I remember reading the link & it did make a lot of sense although naturally enough there were other people in the field that dismissed it. Funnily enough it was in regards to wrist girth & that many had thick wrists just like D4's right!

https://www.606v2.com/t2193-manny-pacquiao-large-skeleton-theory-interesting-read

by Guest Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:49 pm

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:
sohotnot wrote:
DoubleD22 wrote:Was it also D4 who put up the post detailing all of Manny's skeletal dimensions as a way to explain his rise up the weights?

That was a good one!
Unfortunately not as you could've dismissed that immediately. I forget who posted it but I remember reading the link & it did make a lot of sense although naturally enough there were other people in the field that dismissed it. Funnily enough it was in regards to wrist girth & that many had thick wrists just like D4's right!
https://www.606v2.com/t2193-manny-pacquiao-large-skeleton-theory-interesting-read

I just checked your link & D4 admits to having thick wrists & training them! Classic!! I'd forgotten about his replies.

by catchweight Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:34 am

Any argument by TRUSSMAN nor Hamersmith is painful

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:01 pm

Getting your butt handed to you is always painful..

by kingraf Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:25 pm

I read a very similar article a while ago, to the wrist issue. Seems legit, if I'm completely honest. Afrikaans people, even those who haven't worked out generally have huge wrist/forearms - lo and behold they generally come in massive!

by John Bloody Wayne Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:55 pm

andygf wrote:Hi Truss, it was a while ago but I posted an article about Oscar de la Hoya not being a great, and the debate was pretty interesting.I still stand by my original opinion, ,ainly cos he DID tend to lose his most important fights.He was a very, very good fighter,mind.I genuinely think that the titles he won through the divisions flatter to deceive also.Now my bias is against the WBO, who let's not forget allowed not only a bunch of real stinky fighters to become belt-holders but once had a dead man as a belt-holder.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar being in the same ballpark?Not a chance.Pre- WBO and Ray cleaned up, winning almost all the main fights.I do get why ODLH is rated, I like him a lot, but I think he was box-office cos he was good looking- it's the way of thew world I know.Sorry to bring in a football comparison, but it is why David Beckham was better known than Paul Scholes.

Agree entirely, including the Beckham bit!

by Lance Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:49 pm

John Bloody Wayne wrote:
andygf wrote:Hi Truss, it was a while ago but I posted an article about Oscar de la Hoya not being a great, and the debate was pretty interesting.I still stand by my original opinion, ,ainly cos he DID tend to lose his most important fights.He was a very, very good fighter,mind.I genuinely think that the titles he won through the divisions flatter to deceive also.Now my bias is against the WBO, who let's not forget allowed not only a bunch of real stinky fighters to become belt-holders but once had a dead man as a belt-holder.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar being in the same ballpark?Not a chance.Pre- WBO and Ray cleaned up, winning almost all the main fights.I do get why ODLH is rated, I like him a lot, but I think he was box-office cos he was good looking- it's the way of thew world I know.Sorry to bring in a football comparison, but it is why David Beckham was better known than Paul Scholes.
Agree entirely, including the Beckham bit!

Beckham was better known because he was more ambitious and travelled the world looking for recognition and fame. Scholes stayed in the comfortable and successful cocoon of Manchester. Same applies to Oscar. he tested himself and was far more ambitions than even Flloyd is. If Flloyd was in Oscars position would he fight Hopkins or Sturm?? no chance! He may have lost his biggest fights, but some of those biggest fights were more testing than most will ever strive for. He could have taken it easy after Tito, and said he won most of his biggest fights against the likes of Chavez and Quartey

by John Bloody Wayne Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:10 pm

If it was competition he was after, why did he leave Real Madrid for LA Galaxy!?

I respect Oscar's ambition, but his results and ability didn't justify his pulling power in my opinion.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:17 pm

I imagine you think Larry Holmes is great ??

So he beats a hammered off Foreman and defeated twice by an old Ali-Norton.......reigns for five years against nobodies (Shavers lost to a slow and old Ali) his best win was a fight he lost to Witherspoon.........Gives up the belt because he doesn't want Page........

Gets a tin pot at-the time belt in The IBf beats a few more stiffs for two years and loses twice to a lightheavyweight..

But Oscar isn't great........

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:31 pm

With the paucity of talent at heavyweight throughout history they are judged differently to anyone from different weights. Holmes is a great heavyweight who could only beat who was in front of him like Dempsey, Marciano or Louis, very few have the advantages of Ali, Frazier and Foreman to fight eachother and other very good fighters.

As a lower weight fighter De La Hoya doesn't match up well to the greats in my opinion so he's not rated as highly.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:15 pm

Couldn't beat Spinks.........Couldn't beat Withespoon or Page If we want to criticise him..

Mayweather has beaten all in front of him and you criticise him often enough...So what if he avoided MANNY...........You don't moan about Holmes ducking Page and Thomas which was all pretty obvious and commented on back in the day..

But we won't go there...........

Oscar is a bonafide great..........Fought the best and lost some a long the way as did Holyfield who's record isn't any better......Over a similar period of time

Moorer, Bowe twice, Lewis, Ruiz ............Trinidad, Mosley twice, Mayweather, Hoppo.........

All over the same period and Oscar's wins were better too.........Comparing the fighters at the time of the fights..

Chavez twice vs Tyson twice, Whittaker vs Bowe, Quartey vs Moorer, Mayorga vs 44 year old Foreman, Vargas vs Dokes........

and good quality at 130/135 vs Cruiser wins..................

Get my drift !!!!!!!!!!!

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:27 pm

Again heavyweights are judged differently, Holyfield stepping up to face the big men while often outweighed by a good margin outdoes De La Hoya stepping up to face men of his own size. I only regard the absolute best as greats and for me he doesn't fall into that category, Holyfield was the man at two weights while De La Hoya was at one.

Now I personally don't regard Holyfield that highly he like De La Hoya has a very patchy record at the highest level but being popular elevates his status. I'd also like to see where I criticise Mayweather, I point out his record has holes in that could be improved but seeing as I place him anywhere between 8 and 12 I don't regard it as harsh criticism.

If we look at Ali his actual wins in p4p terms are not that impressive but they represent the absolute best of his division so he rightly is rated highly.

by DoubleD22 Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:11 am

Classic line

Lock post for new reports Re: Manny Pacquiao Large Skeleton Theory - Interesting Read
Post by D4thincarnation on Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:58 pm

Yeah I did a little research into this topic a year or two ago, when I was going for the perfect body.

I'm a bit like Pacquiao my wrist are a bigger than the rest of my dimensions of my body according to this theory. I suppose they are always exceptions to the rule.

by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:16 pm

DoubleD22 wrote:Classic line

Lock post for new reports Re: Manny Pacquiao Large Skeleton Theory - Interesting Read
Post by D4thincarnation on Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:58 pm

Yeah I did a little research into this topic a year or two ago, when I was going for the perfect body.

I'm a bit like Pacquiao my wrist are a bigger than the rest of my dimensions of my body according to this theory. I suppose they are always exceptions to the rule.

Classic! At one point he probably thought he was Manny, he certainly felt connected to team Manny & top rank.

by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:20 pm

"Floyd may hit women but he's allowed to because he's a good fighter...unlike Dereck Chisora"

by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:22 pm

John Bloody Wayne wrote:If it was competition he was after, why did he leave Real Madrid for LA Galaxy!?

I respect Oscar's ambition, but his results and ability didn't justify his pulling power in my opinion.

I understand where you're coming from & why you don't rate him as a great but I think his ability, his ambition & quality of his fights do justify his pulling power. He was rarely in a bad fight and genuinely looked for the biggest fights. Sure below WW his record wasn't as great in reality as on paper but above he fought top fighters that were at there peak give or take a year. The only fighter that really took him apart was Hopkins if you dismiss the Mannny fight & he was certainly holding his own in that fight before that great body punch.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:34 pm

Thing is he is great If you match his record with other greats..

That's the bottom line..here.

by Lumbering_Jack Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:37 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Thing is he is great If you match his record with other greats..

That's the bottom line..here.

You think Sven Ottke is great. You have lower standards than most of us.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:38 pm

I'm not going there again..

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:42 pm

That's the thing Truss, De La Hoya doesn't match up to those I consider great, it's a word that's too easily banded about.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:43 pm

But he does to those who are officially regarded as great.........

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:59 pm

In your opinion but I don't think he's great in the same way as a Arguello, Chavez or Canzoneri, the lower tier greats. If his ability matched his ambition he'd be well up there.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:02 pm

It's not my opinion........

Eusebio Pedroza is acknowledged as a great fighter................

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:05 pm

I wouldn't regard Pedroza as an overall great, a great featherweight yes but a true great no.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:09 pm

My point is he is acknowledged as such...so If he is the accepted standard then by rights so is Oscar..

Do you accept that ??

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