Leinster V Castres

by Jenifer McLadyboy Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:25 pm

First topic message reminder :

Make a new thread yah lazy boll1x

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:the Leinster team I'd like to see this weekend

Healy- best loosehead in the world IMO
Cronin- best option and maybe consistent starts will make him consistent in facets of play
Ross- if fit I think he should play to steady the scrum before Moore comes on for impact
Toner- playing very well
McCarthy- slightly better than Roux IMO
McLaughlin- best option
SOB- best option
Heaslip- best option
Boss- considerably better than Reddan currently I think
Gopperth- has been playing well and can attack so I think should start, with Madigan in early
Kearney- has done well enough so far
Darcy- experienced man in midfield may be necessary for continuity
McFadden- a good outside centre if nothing more, facilitates Fitz on the wing
Fitzgerald- looked really hungry when he came on and hopefully can kick on
Kearney- better game last week but still has a lot to show

Dundon-McGrath-Moore-Roux-Ruddock-Reddan-Madigan-Macken

Don't think Ross is going to make it. Bench at best I'd say. Furlong and Bent out too. Moore is our only fully fit TH.

I think they were planning Benty for a comeback in the B&I cup this weekend, so perhaps he will be on the bench.

Otherwise same as last week. Might leave Macken in at 13 too. Outside (and crazy) chance that they will throw Kirchner in at 13 the way they did with Tuqiri in the Munster game.

by Gibson Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:42 pm

33-11 and a TBP. Rough guess.

by **George Carlin** Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:44 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
George Carlin wrote:The Squashed Goblin is playing for Castres I see.
So they're giving Leinster every chance for a win.
Again with the nicknames
Give us a clue george.

I'll give you a choice of two squat, self-satisfied but largely pointless creatures:

1. Gryffindor

Leinster V Castres - Page 2 Dobby10

2. Slitherin

Leinster V Castres - Page 2 Dobby10

by Gibson Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:04 pm

SecretFly wrote:This is the first time O'C is doing it all his way... and yes, Schmidt was the same.

But the jury is definitely out on O'C so far for me. He had a ragin' bull passion-guy as boss over at Leicester who I'm sure buried team identity into the player's heads and I'm sure gave them the extra few ounces of effort they needed in each game to keep the Leicester brand alive.

I know some Leicester fans were mildy pleased to see the back of O'C when he went - they weren't exactly signing petitions to have him change his mind. So we're still working out how good O'C might be on his own terms.

This is kinda the point now where he needs to show us he has true calibre HC coaching ability; and that means using some of his ways but with big chunks of the already Leinster winning way. (The larger part of perfecting his way should be kept to Pro12) The Leinster players have as much to teach him as he might think he can give to the players.

Leinster have to be much more beligerent in points scoring. They must engender fear again. They must be more identifyable as Leinster again. I'm not sure anything I've seen so far is close to good enough yet.

Ah the Fly in the ointment speaks of caution. The Leinster Way will guide MOC ok. But I am impressed that he has discarded Joes' all-out attack mantra (which I dearly loved) and has replaced it with his own mix. That took serious liathróidí.

We are so much more defensively organised over the last 2 games, than we have been in a year. Last year, we shipped a massive amount of weak tries. Still won all we competed in as a province mind. All 3 trophies. But, we were weaker defensively at the top end. The weakest since the 2006/2007 season. O Connor is redressing that fast.

1st get our defensive system working as a complete cohesive unit again.That is what won us 3 x HC's. Build it in to the squad mindset and let it run on auto. Then comes the sex on the back of it.

Believe.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:07 pm

Gibson wrote:33-11 and a TBP. Rough guess.

In this weather? Yah mad basturd.

6 5 will do me. Shocked you never heard of Rory c0ck out. Shocked

The man is a poet of the right foot.

by Gibson Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:16 pm

We miss Leo and BOD badly. Lets be honest here. They step on to the field and its Leinster again. Jenno too. Leaders. Men who inspire all around them. Heaslip doesnt. Great player, but not a captain. Are they replaceable? No. We needed a different tack, using what we have to move on and stay in the hunt. And O' Connor has given us that. So far.

by SecretFly Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:09 pm

Gibson wrote:

We are so much more defensively organised over the last 2 games, than we have been in a year. Last year, we shipped a massive amount of weak tries. Still won all we competed in as a province mind. All 3 trophies. But, we were weaker defensively at the top end. The weakest since the 2006/2007 season. O Connor is redressing that fast.

1st get our defensive system working as a complete cohesive unit again.That is what won us 3 x HC's. Build it in to the squad mindset and let it run on auto. Then comes the sex on the back of it.

Believe.

Ah, you're right of course, Gibbo. We were damn embarrassing on the defensive front last season. But you know me, sex is very important when it come to Leinster...and I just hope O'Connor doesn't forget the sex in all the chastity belt design work he's engaged in at present Wink

But I'm a patient guy...I'm giving him time.

by Mickado Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:26 am

SecretFly wrote:
Gibson wrote:

We are so much more defensively organised over the last 2 games, than we have been in a year. Last year, we shipped a massive amount of weak tries. Still won all we competed in as a province mind. All 3 trophies. But, we were weaker defensively at the top end. The weakest since the 2006/2007 season. O Connor is redressing that fast.

1st get our defensive system working as a complete cohesive unit again.That is what won us 3 x HC's. Build it in to the squad mindset and let it run on auto. Then comes the sex on the back of it.

Believe.
Ah, you're right of course, Gibbo. We were damn embarrassing on the defensive front last season. But you know me, sex is very important when it come to Leinster...and I just hope O'Connor doesn't forget the sex in all the chastity belt design work he's engaged in at present But I'm a patient guy...I'm giving him time.

We're still on the 2nd, maybe 3rd date Fly. It's important not to give away too much too soon, because then the rest of Europe won't call, and we'll be sitting by the phone wondering if we'd be alone if we hadn't been such sluts...

...metaphorically speaking.

by totti13012 Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:45 am

The weather is really bad in Dublin?

by Mickado Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:59 am

totti13012 wrote:The weather is really bad in Dublin?

Right now, it's damp but the sun is shining and the skies are clear. Hopefully it stays like that.

by thebandwagonsociety Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:33 am

Gibson wrote:
SecretFly wrote:This is the first time O'C is doing it all his way... and yes, Schmidt was the same.

But the jury is definitely out on O'C so far for me. He had a ragin' bull passion-guy as boss over at Leicester who I'm sure buried team identity into the player's heads and I'm sure gave them the extra few ounces of effort they needed in each game to keep the Leicester brand alive.

I know some Leicester fans were mildy pleased to see the back of O'C when he went - they weren't exactly signing petitions to have him change his mind. So we're still working out how good O'C might be on his own terms.

This is kinda the point now where he needs to show us he has true calibre HC coaching ability; and that means using some of his ways but with big chunks of the already Leinster winning way. (The larger part of perfecting his way should be kept to Pro12) The Leinster players have as much to teach him as he might think he can give to the players.

Leinster have to be much more beligerent in points scoring. They must engender fear again. They must be more identifyable as Leinster again. I'm not sure anything I've seen so far is close to good enough yet.
Ah the Fly in the ointment speaks of caution. The Leinster Way will guide MOC ok. But I am impressed that he has discarded Joes' all-out attack mantra (which I dearly loved) and has replaced it with his own mix. That took serious liathróidí.

We are so much more defensively organised over the last 2 games, than we have been in a year. Last year, we shipped a massive amount of weak tries. Still won all we competed in as a province mind. All 3 trophies. But, we were weaker defensively at the top end. The weakest since the 2006/2007 season. O Connor is redressing that fast.

1st get our defensive system working as a complete cohesive unit again.That is what won us 3 x HC's. Build it in to the squad mindset and let it run on auto. Then comes the sex on the back of it.

Believe.

Forgetting a group stage exit from the HC there Gibbo. At least we are not stuck with ASM this season in the group.

by **rodders** Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:37 pm

Sorry Leinster but I'm hitting the red button! Best of luck lads!

by **George Carlin** Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:12 pm

16-7 Leinster

by LeinsterFan4life Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:35 pm

Phew, thank god for that. Well done lads.

SOB was clearly MOTM. Can't understand shaggys decision on that.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:38 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Phew, thank god for that. Well done lads.

SOB was clearly MOTM. Can't understand shaggys decision on that.

Again? He seems to be in great form at the minute. Who got it?

by LeinsterFan4life Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:42 pm

Ye Rory, SOB is back to his very best. He is carrying really well and yet again made plenty of turnovers. He was the difference today.
Gopperth got it.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:51 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Ye Rory, SOB is back to his very best. He is carrying really well and yet again made plenty of turnovers. He was the difference today.
Gopperth got it.

Still want him back at 6 then?

by LeinsterFan4life Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:54 pm

For now stay at 7 because there is a good balance to tge backrow with Locky at 6. When Jenno comes back, he could maybe move back to 6 as we missed Jenno's leadership out there.

by whocares Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:56 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Ye Rory, SOB is back to his very best. He is carrying really well and yet again made plenty of turnovers. He was the difference today.
Gopperth got it.

Sure he was. The ref was the other difference. Some flashes of brilliance from leinster in a rather average performance.

by LeinsterFan4life Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:59 pm

The ref wasn't great but then again Castres shot themselves in the foot with the no arms tackle and feeds into the scrum.

by butterfingers Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:59 pm

Congrats to Leinster, very lucky to disallow the Castres LBP though, that ball definately touched the white line.

by butterfingers Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:00 pm

Congrats to Leinster, very lucky to disallow the Castres LBP though, that ball definately touched the white line.

by whocares Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:04 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:The ref wasn't great but then again Castres shot themselves in the foot with the no arms tackle and feeds into the scrum.

True. Castres can only blame their inacurracy.One of the harshest yellow card I remember though but being in the home of the ERC cant say am surprised.

by butterfingers Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:07 pm

Nothing wrong with the yellow, you can only warn a player not to do something so much before he has to go!

I thought the ref had a very strong game.

by Feckless Rogue Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:28 pm

I'm sure that was a try though.

by LeinsterFan4life Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:44 pm

I agree It did look like a try.

by Big Mac Michael Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:53 pm

how on earth did gopperth get man of the match? He was awful, kicking out of hand nearly ended up costing leinster, and the one good kick to touch he had near the end was actually madigan, not him despite sky sport's idiocy

by brennomac Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:58 pm

Leinster were steeped. We were right beside that late disallowed try and it was a try defo - no doubt. Ref was a homer. How sh1te does R Kearney have to play before he he's hauled off - he was truly awful today. And Gopperth was MOM - a joke, should have gone to one of the front rows for shaping up against the monsters in Castres frontrow

That was a truly dire display by Leinster and the only thing to take from the game is the 4 pts. Against a better team than Castres we would have been blown away. Big improvement needed.

by The Boss Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:02 pm

Couldn't get a stream for the ulster game so watched your game. Thought Moore did very well except for a 10 minute spell where Castres were on top.
Serious man love for Seanie O. Man is a wrecking ball. Great player. Luke Fitz impressive looking when he came on.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:36 am

I thought the pack as a whole were excellent. Our backrow when playing the way they are are outstanding. mcLaughlin doing the grunt on our ball in particular and tackling everything, SOB winning turnovers and busting through tackles and finally Heaslip tidying up bad scrum ball, making vital short gain carries and defending like a demon.

Healy was good everywhere bar the scrum where he was ok. Cronin had a good game, think we may have got something good with Martin Moore too. It was a huge game for him. Toner and McCarthy did well without ever being outstanding.

Was very underwhelmed by Goppereth I gotta say, thought he and R.Kearney shot us in the foot a few times. Darcy and Macken looked real good for the most part though.

by **George Carlin** Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:04 am

I didn't manage to watch this, but isn't there quite a considerable amount of grousing on this thread about a team that have just managed to put away the current French champions?

Perhaps I'm missing something, though. I am quite simple.

by The Boss Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:06 am

What has Madigan done? I know Gopperth was in good form DNS hard to drop but the last few games it's been like O'Connor doesn't even want to give him too long a cameo. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

by Standulstermen Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:20 am

Results, results, results Boss. I suspect we will see more of Madigan now. If O'Connor can take Leinster out of their group he will probably have met expectations this season. 2 from 2 thus far. More margin for error in the league

by The Boss Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:51 am

You're probably right stand but I could understand a bit more if Madigan was a complete rookie.

by SecretFly Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:11 am

Standulstermen wrote:Results, results, results Boss. I suspect we will see more of Madigan now. If O'Connor can take Leinster out of their group he will probably have met expectations this season. 2 from 2 thus far. More margin for error in the league

A final is meeting our expectations, Stand Wink

Anything less and it'll be another unfulfilled season of sorts. You gotta keep aiming for the stars.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:37 am

I think Goppereth was the right call for this game, now he didn't have a great game in my eyes but he was the right call. I'd have put Madigan pretty much as soon as they got their second yellow card if not before.

Madigan is gonna get a fair bitta time this week I'd say.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:39 am

Hopefully Madigan gets a fair chance now and stakes his claim as first choice 10 for Leinster, as thats whats best for Ireland. But it is good to have competition for the 10 jersey.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:03 pm

Yeah I agree, he will get a game here but after that he will be whisked off to Irish camp either as 2nd or 3rd choice, not sure which if I am honest. His progress will faulter slightly there from a Leinster perspective. He hasn't had much of a chance at the 10 jersey this year due to back 3 injuries and Goppereth getting in ahead of him

by SecretFly Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:22 pm

I seem to recall from an interview that the word I think Schmidt always used when speaking with Madigan was 'patience'.

Do your time, lie in wait.

If he's good enough (and many people obviously think he is naturally gifted enough) he'll come through... it's a long year to go. Perhaps O'Connor's tactical philosophy is simply more suited to Gopperth for now. But I acknowledge too that at already 24, it's tough to continue to be asked to have patience.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:44 pm

Ah fly he's not a young prospect anymore. At 24 he can hardly be asked to wait. He would have thought this was his year and it really should be as he did nothing to be dropped.

I don't mind Gopperth getting picked but I want to see Mads being given a fair chance.

by **rodders** Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:54 pm

Didn't see this one but Copperth was outstanding last time out - seems to be an inspired signing for Leinster.

by SecretFly Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:10 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Ah fly he's not a young prospect anymore. At 24 he can hardly be asked to wait. He would have thought this was his year and it really should be as he did nothing to be dropped.

I don't mind Gopperth getting picked but I want to see Mads being given a fair chance.

I was sure I catered for that point in my ramble, Leinster Wink

by LeinsterFan4life Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:17 pm

Yep you did just seen that now sorry bud.

by theslosty Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:09 pm

Disappointed the way has Madigan has been treated after just one minor blip vs Munster.

Quite frankly, he is a better player than Gopperth in almost every department, bar perhaps kicking out of hand, but that's something that will definitely improve with Heineken game time.

As for Ireland, he seemed certain for a place in the 23 at the start of the season, but PJ is now the form 10, although his goalkicking remains unconvincing. I think Schmidt will still prefer Madigan anyway, as he is more of an impact player off the bench than Jackson and covers 12 and 15.

Do you lot still prefer D'arcy to Madigan at 12?

by LeinsterFan4life Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:54 pm

Yes Darcy has been very good this season at 12. Mads never really impressed when he played at 12.

by Gibson Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:30 pm

God we were shoite. But still beat the French Champs and denied them owt.

Lucky ol Leinster.

Happy with Moore and McGraths progress. Major plus.

Now for a tough double-header v Saints. Its going to be emotional.

Man I love the Heino.

by ME-109 Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:37 pm

You lot and the papers are being a tad harsh. Leinster were well worth the win yesterday and no harm going into the next round of games with lots to improve. Was better than watching Munster doing a crab impersonation for 80 mins. Except for POM and DOC it was like watching some under 12s against a crap Glaws team. Sadly we will be lucky to qualify at this rate

And watching the Saints game i would even suggest you should get at least 6 points from them if not 8.

by gleesonisgod Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:41 pm

Anyone else think McFadden looked good when he was moved to 13?

D'Arcy's solid and still a great defender but when BOD's back I'd seriously consider having Fitz or McFadden in their with him.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:32 am

I think Darcy has just put two really good games in back to back. He was pretty good against Munster too IMO.

I do believe that McFadden is a 12 rather than a wing though for sure.

by Sin é Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:49 am

Madigan has to sort out his game management (which was poor against Munster). Keatley has a similar problem. Schmidt will ignore both until they sort that out (if they ever do).

by **rodders** Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:57 am

Madigan would be a good fit for the Penney regime at Munster.

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