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Why the dislike Chisora must dislike Mayweather theory doesn't work !!
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Everytime I have a pop at Chisora I get the "yes but you love Floyd" posters airing their opinion......
Which is fair enough..........But completely wrong.......
You see the problem with that is............
1. I never said I like Floyd the Man..
2. Floyd has redeeming features such as being a great great fighter and someone who's ability is a once in a generation stuff...What redeeming features has Chisora got....He's lost to every guy with a pulse he's fought which makes you wonder what "type" of fans he has...I have my suspicions what kind of people they are !!
3. Floyd is a wife beater (although he probably gave her a slap. His latest flame seems happy enough) and there is "No justification" for that but I myself have come close on many occasions to hitting my Wife and If anyone who has been married or with some as long as me hasn't thought about it or done it then they are most probably lying......Like I said though...No justification for doing It!!
4. Chisora has spat in a face which for me is lower than the lowest........He's assaulted a guy at a press conference with no justification........and he's been arrested in England, Germany.......for fighting in public..Thuggery
Next time anybody wants to throw Chisora at me....Just refer to this rebuttal...........as to why it doesn't wash........
Ps Anybody that finds me confrontational I want to apologise.......
Everytime I have a pop at Chisora I get the "yes but you love Floyd" posters airing their opinion......
Which is fair enough..........But completely wrong.......
You see the problem with that is............
1. I never said I like Floyd the Man..
2. Floyd has redeeming features such as being a great great fighter and someone who's ability is a once in a generation stuff...What redeeming features has Chisora got....He's lost to every guy with a pulse he's fought which makes you wonder what "type" of fans he has...I have my suspicions what kind of people they are !!
3. Floyd is a wife beater (although he probably gave her a slap. His latest flame seems happy enough) and there is "No justification" for that but I myself have come close on many occasions to hitting my Wife and If anyone who has been married or with some as long as me hasn't thought about it or done it then they are most probably lying......Like I said though...No justification for doing It!!
4. Chisora has spat in a face which for me is lower than the lowest........He's assaulted a guy at a press conference with no justification........and he's been arrested in England, Germany.......for fighting in public..Thuggery
Next time anybody wants to throw Chisora at me....Just refer to this rebuttal...........as to why it doesn't wash........
Ps Anybody that finds me confrontational I want to apologise.......
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Some people think Dereck Chisora is a contender
You know what I think......hes a tomato
You know what I think......hes a tomato
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Chisora the tomato makes more sense than this thread. It's a steaming pile of horse sh1t.
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I think Haye may have had something to do with the PPV although it technically wasn't, it was just a fight on boxnation.
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Graffiti.......all the way.Strongback wrote:Chisora the tomato makes more sense than this thread. It's a steaming pile of horse sh1t.
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To be honest I done think Chisora is all that bad and most of the stuff written about him is hyped.TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Everytime I have a pop at Chisora I get the "yes but you love Floyd" posters airing their opinion......
Which is fair enough..........But completely wrong.......
You see the problem with that is............
1. I never said I like Floyd the Man..
2. Floyd has redeeming features such as being a great great fighter and someone who's ability is a once in a generation stuff...What redeeming features has Chisora got....He's lost to every guy with a pulse he's fought which makes you wonder what "type" of fans he has...I have my suspicions what kind of people they are !!
3. Floyd is a wife beater (although he probably gave her a slap. His latest flame seems happy enough) and there is "No justification" for that but I myself have come close on many occasions to hitting my Wife and If anyone who has been married or with some as long as me hasn't thought about it or done it then they are most probably lying......Like I said though...No justification for doing It!!
4. Chisora has spat in a face which for me is lower than the lowest........He's assaulted a guy at a press conference with no justification........and he's been arrested in England, Germany.......for fighting in public..Thuggery
Next time anybody wants to throw Chisora at me....Just refer to this rebuttal...........as to why it doesn't wash........
Ps Anybody that finds me confrontational I want to apologise.......
He did not beat his gf, that was blown up, he apparently slapped her back side in an argument, while it does not sound like he was being a gentleman and was in the wrong it was hardy a case of giving her the back hand and locking her in a room like some would have people believe...
As for spitting in WK face, again he did not spit in his face, he spat water in his face while WK was standing in the center of the ring staring him out (who was not even fighting). The Ks were winding him up from the get go, saying he could not have his song for his ring entrance, coming into the dressing room while he is doing his gloves and making a fuss to annoy him... And all the other tricks they get up to, while again what he done was immature and lacked composure, he was just dealing his cards ON the table rather than under like the Ks do. (who like to pretend their teeth and always white)
And regarding "assaulting a guy at a press conference" Actualy Chisora did not land a punch, David Haye was shouting out ad Chisoras press conference and Chisora squared up to Haye holding a mic up to Davids face after Haye was shouting at Chisora at his press conference and I believe it was David Haye who then assaulted Chisora by punching him with a bottle in his hand. (then claiming it was self defense)
Now Im not going to pain Chisora as an Angel, far from it. He is a loose cannon and sometimes acts an idiot... But the press and some people like to hype stuff to make him out to be more of a bad guy that he actually is...
I personally find him more genuine than Mayweather who constantly plays to the media, and then tries to act like sugar would not melt in his mouth.
And Mike Tyson made Chisora look like a priest.
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Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
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Hardly smokescreening...the reason you can't see it is because you have your head firmly up Floyd's hole (and your own whilst putting your foot in your mouth and talking out of your rear end. A real feat of contortionism I'm sure many will agree).TRUSSMAN66 wrote:But I can spell Father in law..........
You haven't made a case Dave..........smokescreened through the thread........
I've pointed out numerous times why people might like Chisora as a fighter (something a couple of others have agreed with) but the fact you're essentially saying they're wrong to like him demonstrates just how much of a plank you really are.
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Like I say he was not a gentleman to her, apparently she was seeing another guy and he lost his temper, However to sum it up as "beating his girl" friend paints a slightly more serious picture than it was...Lumbering_Jack wrote:Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
As for Haye, for me I cant see how the guy who did not threw the first punch and was at his own press conference can be to blame. He certainly provoked the situation but was by no means the aggressor.
David Haye lost his temper, simple as that. Chisora came up to him and held a mic to his face. THEN Haye hit him... if your going to attack someone you dont hold a mic to their face first. And if Haye "new what chisora was like" then he should not have been at his conference yelling out at him.
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In the case of woman beating - we have to ignore the fact they're boxers. Completely. The fact they're boxers has nothing to do with anything where the law and morals exist.
Its never OK to hit a woman, if she asks for it or not. The only time I would is if my little girl was hurt in some way, say for instance if one of her friends mums punched her or something. I'd go to town on that citag.
Thing is, we're then left with 2 men who hit their significant others. Nothing more, nothing less. Both are ahorrent people and thats that. Their boxing ability has nothing to do with what they've done to their women in their life.
Advocating Floyd but going mad about Chisora is sickening hypocrisy at its worst. I think its been alluded to Truss, but just because Floyd is a good boxer, this doesn't mean we can ignore his past misdemeanors and focus on Chisora. Both are horrible people, and I'm surprised you've considered beating your wife - although testosterone does that to people I've heard.
Its never OK to hit a woman, if she asks for it or not. The only time I would is if my little girl was hurt in some way, say for instance if one of her friends mums punched her or something. I'd go to town on that citag.
Thing is, we're then left with 2 men who hit their significant others. Nothing more, nothing less. Both are ahorrent people and thats that. Their boxing ability has nothing to do with what they've done to their women in their life.
Advocating Floyd but going mad about Chisora is sickening hypocrisy at its worst. I think its been alluded to Truss, but just because Floyd is a good boxer, this doesn't mean we can ignore his past misdemeanors and focus on Chisora. Both are horrible people, and I'm surprised you've considered beating your wife - although testosterone does that to people I've heard.
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Are you serious? Of course he was the aggressor, he walked up to Haye shouting threats while taking his jacket off.tunes666 wrote:As for Haye, for me I cant see how the guy who did not threw the first punch and was at his own press conference can be to blame. He certainly provoked the situation but was by no means the aggressor.
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You've missed his point as well.JabMachineMK2 wrote:Advocating Floyd but going mad about Chisora is sickening hypocrisy at its worst. I think its been alluded to Truss, but just because Floyd is a good boxer, this doesn't mean we can ignore his past misdemeanors and focus on Chisora. Both are horrible people, and I'm surprised you've considered beating your wife - although testosterone does that to people I've heard.
He condemns both of them, but says that Floyd's ability as a boxer is a reason to like him. As Chisora doesn't have this he believes that if you like him, it's because you like his actions.
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I get his point. I just disagree that you can like Floyd because of his ability as a boxer. You can respect it, but you cannot like that man.
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Really? You'd be saying that if that was slapping your daughter around would you?tunes666 wrote:Like I say he was not a gentleman to her, apparently she was seeing another guy and he lost his temper, However to sum it up as "beating his girl" friend paints a slightly more serious picture than it was...Lumbering_Jack wrote:Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
He slapped her numerous times on the face, pinned her down and slapped her legs and backside numerous times. That's not "beating his girl" is it not?
He's a pro heavyweight boxer and she's like 8 stones or something.
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It's hard to know without knowing how hard the slaps were and in what context. It's not that unusual in the bedroom.
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You've been slapped around in the bedroom by some big men before?Scottrf wrote:It's hard to know without knowing how hard the slaps were and in what context. It's not that unusual in the bedroom.
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You've forgotten already?STC wrote:You've been slapped around in the bedroom by some big men before?Scottrf wrote:It's hard to know without knowing how hard the slaps were and in what context. It's not that unusual in the bedroom.
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Haha. It's been a long time.Scottrf wrote:You've forgotten already?STC wrote:You've been slapped around in the bedroom by some big men before?Scottrf wrote:It's hard to know without knowing how hard the slaps were and in what context. It's not that unusual in the bedroom.
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He walked over to Haye, shouting and swearing and asked his trainer to 'watch his back'. Deserves everything he got.tunes666 wrote:Like I say he was not a gentleman to her, apparently she was seeing another guy and he lost his temper, However to sum it up as "beating his girl" friend paints a slightly more serious picture than it was...Lumbering_Jack wrote:Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
As for Haye, for me I cant see how the guy who did not threw the first punch and was at his own press conference can be to blame. He certainly provoked the situation but was by no means the aggressor.
David Haye lost his temper, simple as that. Chisora came up to him and held a mic to his face. THEN Haye hit him... if your going to attack someone you dont hold a mic to their face first. And if Haye "new what chisora was like" then he should not have been at his conference yelling out at him.
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No less ridiculous that suggesting that you should prefer Stuart Hall over Jimmy Savile because Hall makes balloon animals and is a dab hand at origami.Scottrf wrote:You've missed his point as well.JabMachineMK2 wrote:Advocating Floyd but going mad about Chisora is sickening hypocrisy at its worst. I think its been alluded to Truss, but just because Floyd is a good boxer, this doesn't mean we can ignore his past misdemeanors and focus on Chisora. Both are horrible people, and I'm surprised you've considered beating your wife - although testosterone does that to people I've heard.
He condemns both of them, but says that Floyd's ability as a boxer is a reason to like him. As Chisora doesn't have this he believes that if you like him, it's because you like his actions.
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I agree, I'm just clarifying that the incident was not an act of any real violence but more of a jealous argument where he eventually humiliated her.JabMachineMK2 wrote:In the case of woman beating - we have to ignore the fact they're boxers. Completely. The fact they're boxers has nothing to do with anything where the law and morals exist.
Its never OK to hit a woman, if she asks for it or not. The only time I would is if my little girl was hurt in some way, say for instance if one of her friends mums punched her or something. I'd go to town on that citag.
Its still something he should not have done, but a silly jealous row that went to far IMO should not be viewed in the same light as a "woman beater" which means a guy who beats the Poopie out of women... People dislike him so try to paint him in that picture. I just think its fair to clarify that.
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End of the day Chisora has a fan base in boxing because when he in the ring people get there moneys worth. He comes to fight and fights the best available to him.
Yes he is somewhat bad out of the ring but so are plenty of fighters, To me once I tune in to watch I don't care about all that, its a sport not a reality tv show I want to see fighters who give me value for money Chisora does this.
I also like to see a boxer so masterful that no one gets near him Mayweather does this.
Dislike them both as people but Im not watching boxing to like the guy I watch it because I want to see professionals boxing.
Yes he is somewhat bad out of the ring but so are plenty of fighters, To me once I tune in to watch I don't care about all that, its a sport not a reality tv show I want to see fighters who give me value for money Chisora does this.
I also like to see a boxer so masterful that no one gets near him Mayweather does this.
Dislike them both as people but Im not watching boxing to like the guy I watch it because I want to see professionals boxing.
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Read my posts and you will see that I did not approve of what he did Thus your question here is pretty redundant. Just because he done something that was wrong, I dont feel the need to brand him as some released convict like other seem to feel the need to do.STC wrote:
Really? You'd be saying that if that was slapping your daughter around would you?
I have no idea who she was or what she did or how her relationship with him was, after the "onslaught" you describe (from somewhere), she suffered no injuries at all apart from complaining of having a red bottom and legs after. does not say much for Chisora's punch power does it.
He slapped her numerous times on the face, pinned her down and slapped her legs and backside numerous times. That's not "beating his girl" is it not?
He's a pro heavyweight boxer and she's like 8 stones or something.
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If a big bouncer type comes at you shouting abuse what are you going to do?Lumbering_Jack wrote:He walked over to Haye, shouting and swearing and asked his trainer to 'watch his back'. Deserves everything he got.tunes666 wrote:Like I say he was not a gentleman to her, apparently she was seeing another guy and he lost his temper, However to sum it up as "beating his girl" friend paints a slightly more serious picture than it was...Lumbering_Jack wrote:Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
As for Haye, for me I cant see how the guy who did not threw the first punch and was at his own press conference can be to blame. He certainly provoked the situation but was by no means the aggressor.
David Haye lost his temper, simple as that. Chisora came up to him and held a mic to his face. THEN Haye hit him... if your going to attack someone you dont hold a mic to their face first. And if Haye "new what chisora was like" then he should not have been at his conference yelling out at him.
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He was convicted in court for assaulting her. The evidence was deemed good enough for a conviction in a court of law. I would suggest that the young lady suffered plenty without having a black eye or any teeth knocked out.tunes666 wrote:Read my posts and you will see that I did not approve of what he did Thus your question here is pretty redundant. Just because he done something that was wrong, I dont feel the need to brand him as some released convict like other seem to feel the need to do.STC wrote:
Really? You'd be saying that if that was slapping your daughter around would you?I have no idea who she was or what she did or how her relationship with him was, after the "onslaught" you describe (from somewhere), she suffered no injuries at all apart from complaining of having a red bottom and legs after. does not say much for Chisora's punch power does it.
He slapped her numerous times on the face, pinned her down and slapped her legs and backside numerous times. That's not "beating his girl" is it not?
He's a pro heavyweight boxer and she's like 8 stones or something.
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All true, but irrelevant to my point.STC wrote:He was convicted in court for assaulting her. The evidence was deemed good enough for a conviction in a court of law. I would suggest that the young lady suffered plenty without having a black eye or any teeth knocked out.tunes666 wrote:Read my posts and you will see that I did not approve of what he did Thus your question here is pretty redundant. Just because he done something that was wrong, I dont feel the need to brand him as some released convict like other seem to feel the need to do.STC wrote:
Really? You'd be saying that if that was slapping your daughter around would you?I have no idea who she was or what she did or how her relationship with him was, after the "onslaught" you describe (from somewhere), she suffered no injuries at all apart from complaining of having a red bottom and legs after. does not say much for Chisora's punch power does it.
He slapped her numerous times on the face, pinned her down and slapped her legs and backside numerous times. That's not "beating his girl" is it not?
He's a pro heavyweight boxer and she's like 8 stones or something.
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If he was convicted he was presumably punished, thereby cleaning his slate.
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Me? , I would run away. but I would not be shouting at him at his event to begin with.Strongback wrote:If a big bouncer type comes at you shouting abuse what are you going to do?Lumbering_Jack wrote:He walked over to Haye, shouting and swearing and asked his trainer to 'watch his back'. Deserves everything he got.tunes666 wrote:Like I say he was not a gentleman to her, apparently she was seeing another guy and he lost his temper, However to sum it up as "beating his girl" friend paints a slightly more serious picture than it was...Lumbering_Jack wrote:Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
As for Haye, for me I cant see how the guy who did not threw the first punch and was at his own press conference can be to blame. He certainly provoked the situation but was by no means the aggressor.
David Haye lost his temper, simple as that. Chisora came up to him and held a mic to his face. THEN Haye hit him... if your going to attack someone you dont hold a mic to their face first. And if Haye "new what chisora was like" then he should not have been at his conference yelling out at him.
If I was able to defend my self against a person coming up to me I would be on the back foot anticipating an attack. to either move out the way or block something... When i saw a mic come to my mouth and him start to speak I would wait and hear what he said, not punch him with a bottle.
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Yeah? Well, your point is irrelevant to my post.tunes666 wrote:All true, but irrelevant to my point.STC wrote:He was convicted in court for assaulting her. The evidence was deemed good enough for a conviction in a court of law. I would suggest that the young lady suffered plenty without having a black eye or any teeth knocked out.tunes666 wrote:Read my posts and you will see that I did not approve of what he did Thus your question here is pretty redundant. Just because he done something that was wrong, I dont feel the need to brand him as some released convict like other seem to feel the need to do.STC wrote:
Really? You'd be saying that if that was slapping your daughter around would you?I have no idea who she was or what she did or how her relationship with him was, after the "onslaught" you describe (from somewhere), she suffered no injuries at all apart from complaining of having a red bottom and legs after. does not say much for Chisora's punch power does it.
He slapped her numerous times on the face, pinned her down and slapped her legs and backside numerous times. That's not "beating his girl" is it not?
He's a pro heavyweight boxer and she's like 8 stones or something.
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Yeah he got a 12 week prison sentence suspended for 2 years.Union Cane wrote:If he was convicted he was presumably punished, thereby cleaning his slate.
That'll teach him.
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I'm sure the families of Peter Sutcliffe's victims will be as charitable should he ever be released..or perhaps they believe that as he's currently serving his sentence, hes wiping that slate clean in increments.Union Cane wrote:If he was convicted he was presumably punished, thereby cleaning his slate.
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Chisora is a clearly a thug. Numerous assault and public order offences, biting fighters in the ring, slapping and spitting on them out of it. There are and have been plenty of them in boxing. Chisora is one of many.
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I wouldn't personally do anything, but I would be perfectly within my rights to whack him.Strongback wrote:If a big bouncer type comes at you shouting abuse what are you going to do?Lumbering_Jack wrote:He walked over to Haye, shouting and swearing and asked his trainer to 'watch his back'. Deserves everything he got.tunes666 wrote:Like I say he was not a gentleman to her, apparently she was seeing another guy and he lost his temper, However to sum it up as "beating his girl" friend paints a slightly more serious picture than it was...Lumbering_Jack wrote:Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
As for Haye, for me I cant see how the guy who did not threw the first punch and was at his own press conference can be to blame. He certainly provoked the situation but was by no means the aggressor.
David Haye lost his temper, simple as that. Chisora came up to him and held a mic to his face. THEN Haye hit him... if your going to attack someone you dont hold a mic to their face first. And if Haye "new what chisora was like" then he should not have been at his conference yelling out at him.
The law states that you can deliver a preemptive strike if you feel in sufficient danger. Haye did just that.
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Haye made Chisora look like a mug. Chisora went down there trying to act the hard man and got put on his fat arse.
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A tactic the US Goverment have adopted over the years with varying degrees of successLumbering_Jack wrote:I wouldn't personally do anything, but I would be perfectly within my rights to whack him.Strongback wrote:If a big bouncer type comes at you shouting abuse what are you going to do?Lumbering_Jack wrote:He walked over to Haye, shouting and swearing and asked his trainer to 'watch his back'. Deserves everything he got.tunes666 wrote:Like I say he was not a gentleman to her, apparently she was seeing another guy and he lost his temper, However to sum it up as "beating his girl" friend paints a slightly more serious picture than it was...Lumbering_Jack wrote:Chisora was at fault in the press conference. You can't walk up to some one in an aggressive fashion like he did and be upset when you get slapped.
And if I remember correctly, the assault on his girlfriend he pinned her down on the bed and spanked her numerous times. No lasting physical damage but that is the behaviour of a bully. It must be pretty scary for a woman being pinned down by a 250 lb man, unless they are into that kind of kinky behaviour.
As for Haye, for me I cant see how the guy who did not threw the first punch and was at his own press conference can be to blame. He certainly provoked the situation but was by no means the aggressor.
David Haye lost his temper, simple as that. Chisora came up to him and held a mic to his face. THEN Haye hit him... if your going to attack someone you dont hold a mic to their face first. And if Haye "new what chisora was like" then he should not have been at his conference yelling out at him.
The law states that you can deliver a preemptive strike if you feel in sufficient danger. Haye did just that.
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Re: Why the dislike Chisora must dislike Mayweather theory doesn't work !!
Thats because compared to more serious assault cases it was a minor incident, but one she sued him for and won because she had witnesses, which for that matter did not report him hitter her face but throwing her on the bed, turning her over and slapping her ass and legs.STC wrote:Yeah he got a 12 week prison sentence suspended for 2 years.Union Cane wrote:If he was convicted he was presumably punished, thereby cleaning his slate.
That'll teach him.
He got 40 days CS and had to pay her £1500 plus £500 legal costs.
Anyone wants to throw me on a bed and slap my legs and ass a few times for £1500 and Im all yours!, once a week if they like! lol
Im sorry but I see real crime going around the world and while Chisora was in the wrong, I dont see him as a woman beater, I have met a couple women beaters before.
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I think thats just Hayes "defense" on how he would wriggle out of it. (hence what lawyers are for).Lumbering_Jack wrote:
The law states that you can deliver a preemptive strike if you feel in sufficient danger. Haye did just that.
Haye stood their while Chisora walked towards him, this took about 15/20 seconds, Chisora then stood up to him and held his mic to his face. Haye then smashed him one.
He could have punched Chisora back and warned him to get away from him .."Im warning you get away from me or you will get one" in which case if Chisora contiuned to come forward then Haye would have had merit in his action.... nope, he just lamped him while he did not even have his guard up or looked to be in an attacking position.
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I've met woman beaters before too, some you wouldn't have guessed would have the aptitude to physically assault their partners, but they still do. They are all scum. All of them.tunes666 wrote:Thats because compared to more serious assault cases it was a minor incident, but one she sued him for and won because she had witnesses, which for that matter did not report him hitter her face but throwing her on the bed, turning her over and slapping her ass and legs.STC wrote:Yeah he got a 12 week prison sentence suspended for 2 years.Union Cane wrote:If he was convicted he was presumably punished, thereby cleaning his slate.
That'll teach him.
He got 40 days CS and had to pay her £1500 plus £500 legal costs.
Anyone wants to throw me on a bed and slap my legs and ass a few times for £1500 and Im all yours!, once a week if they like! lol
Im sorry but I see real crime going around the world and while Chisora was in the wrong, I dont see him as a woman beater, I have met a couple women beaters before.
While I do agree that Chisora's assault was minor, relatively speaking, and isn't the most serious crime imaginable, it is still wrong and it is still an offence. The reason his sentenced was suspended is the same reason that many sentences are suspended these days and that's to keep prison numbers as low as possible.
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Agreed.STC wrote: it is still wrong and it is still an offence.
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Would it be an offense in reverse? And would you be offended that she didn't serve prison time?STC wrote:it is still wrong and it is still an offence. The reason his sentenced was suspended is the same reason that many sentences are suspended these days and that's to keep prison numbers as low as possible.
Prison is expensive enough without filling it up with people spanking their partner.
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Yes. Although in this case it would be physically impossible.Scottrf wrote:Would it be an offense in reverse?STC wrote:it is still wrong and it is still an offence. The reason his sentenced was suspended is the same reason that many sentences are suspended these days and that's to keep prison numbers as low as possible.
Yes. Just as I'm offended every time somebody convicted of a criminal offence walks free with a slap on the wrist. The fact that most go on to reoffend, sometimes committing more serious crimes, doesn't seem to influence those responsible for sentencing.Scottrf wrote:And would you be offended that she didn't serve prison time?
To be fair, I don't know much about the Chisora case other than what I've read in the media. It's possible that she is exaggerating the entire event. In his shoes, having just found out that she had been cheating on him, I would have been a little miffed too. However, I wouldn't have restrained her and then physically assaulted her, and if I had, I would expect to be punished accordingly.Scottrf wrote:
Prison is expensive enough without filling it up with people spanking their partner.
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You think every offense should land you in prison?
He didn't walk free, he was under probation.
He didn't walk free, he was under probation.
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Every offence where a man assaults a woman.Scottrf wrote:You think every offense should land you in prison?
He walked out of the court building of his own accord.Scottrf wrote:
He didn't walk free, he was under probation.
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He walked out of the court building of his own accord. [/quote]Prisoners walk out of prison half way through their sentence. I don't think it's considered free.STC wrote:He didn't walk free, he was under probation.
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Prisoners walk out of prison half way through their sentence. I don't think it's considered free.[/quote]Unless you've been in that position, how would you know?Scottrf wrote:He walked out of the court building of his own accord.STC wrote:He didn't walk free, he was under probation.
You could say that to me though.
Depends on your definition of 'freedom' I suppose. I would consider being able to walk home from the Court House on the day that you were convicted of physically assaulting a woman to be a little more free than being handcuffed and taken to a prison.
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Now look what you've done, Scott.
Who said what?
I can't remember what side I'm on now.
Who said what?
I can't remember what side I'm on now.
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