Degale v Bika

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Ok, on the heels of the Ward v Groves article, I thought I'd offer this match-up for debate. Degale is going the WBC route at the moment and is apparently looking for an Eliminator in the New Year. If he gets one and wins, he will be looking at Bika. Can Degale hang with Bika? I would have to say no. Bika is incredibly tough, dirty and a bully. I could see him walking Deale down and battering him against the ropes.

Does anybody think Degale can take Bika? He has the skills, but Degale’s performances haven't inspired me.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Dismantles??

Dismantled

Sorry to confuse you.

No, your grammar was correct, your conclusions were where you went awry.

Well, bubbles can be bliss I guess!  I would say winning 6 rounds on the trot while nearly stopping a guy a couple times is pretty much dismantling someone.

But of course because then had two crud rounds before coasting to the end of the fight, then it was an abomination of boxing, and he of course has no talent.

Nice, so by those guidelines GG 'dismantled' Froch??

Wow, proof indeed that he's miles ahead of DeGold.

LOL im not talking about Groves, you seem more hell bent of defending your lover GG than assessing if Degale is good enough to beat Bika!

YES, Groves did dismantle Froch for about 6 - 7 rounds and was doing fantastic, which I stated here on the evening he lost to him.

And if that gives you multiple organisms then good for you.

But how can you compare Groves fighting a world class fighter to Degale, when Degale has not had the chance yet???

Thats the point of this thread I think, to assess his own chances.  

I think the point is you're coming up with wild assessments of JdG based on showings versus non-entities.  GG simply provides a useful yardstick because nobody else he's fought does.

what on earth are you talking about?, We can only judge JDG based on who he has faced, And I have pointed out the people he has faced he has outclassed. particularly in the last handfull of fights. And that his stiffest Test was in fact against Groves who has proven to be of good quality and thus Degale giving him a very close fight that many felt Degale won is further example that he is not "average" as some like to say.

I also do not think Groves fought anyone difficult enough to merit having "come on leaps and bounds" thins he fought Degale.

Who did he fight that you feel Degale could not have beat convincingly?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:By 'connected' the most obvious recent example was your snooker-loopy assessment of the Froch-GG fight where you achieved Az levels of contrarianism to find a way the bash JdG's vanquisher.

And how is that "connected" to Degale?  Makes no odds who won that fight as Degale is taking the Bika root.

Connected because you've had a bitter dislike of GG ever since "and the NEW...", which manifested itself in your contrarian assessment of the Froch fight (which wasn't as simplistic as you're now trying to make out, people were even proving you wrong with slow-mo clips because you were making so much rot up).

LOL, I have not been proven wrong in the slightest. And I still believe Groves was being stopped, despite how Groves fands scream and shout about it... Froch was just as much robbed of his glory as Groves was a few more seconds....that's my opinion and if it makes me bitter then so be it!

You seem to be very protective of Mr GG   

I have allways preferred Degale as a fighter yes and still do despite GG great showing, just because Im pointing truths out that dont always compliment your pin up guy it does not mean Im bitter and hate him

Right now Groves may even beat Degale as there re too many question marks about Degale, but that does not mean he cant raise to the world level as Groves has... before the Froch fight most thought Groves never stood a chance, in the end he done great despite loosing.

Again though, Biki is not quite as good as Froch and despite all your garbage I still see it as a realistic target for Degale to get a strap.

They aren't truths whatsoever just biased opinions based on absolutely nothing but your admiration of Degale. Since the fight with Groves one has progressed to world level and was robbed of the chance to win a world title, no amount of crystal ball gazing isn't going to change that. Also since that fight the other has stagnated showing no real signs of improvement and is performing that well against lower tier fighters.

Based on how poor Degale has looked against both Wilczewski and Mohoumadi compared to how good Groves looked against similar level fighters in Gonzalez and Smith. It is fair to say one is showing considerably more potential than the other.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:They aren't truths whatsoever just biased opinions based on absolutely nothing but your admiration of Degale.

Not sure whats Biased about them, I have addressed his weaknesses, but also his tallent. It seems unless I agree with you that he is no good then I just want to be a fan boy or am in love with him, quite a silly simplistic way to address my opinions IMO.

Since the fight with Groves one has progressed to world level and was robbed of the chance to win a world title,

And this is a fact right? lol

Ok well seeing as any positive talk of Degale upsets you, lets all agree that Groves was in perfect condition in the 9th round, and was just about to jog on the spot and brake dance around the ring rather than get stopped until the reff interrupted his performance.... Just to make you guys feel less offended by any talk of Degale having a good chance against Bika.

Based on how poor Degale has looked against both Wilczewski and Mohoumadi compared to how good Groves looked against similar level fighters in Gonzalez and Smith. It is fair to say one is showing considerably more potential than the other.

so you want to address Degales performances 5 and 7 fights ago, while addressing his progress? ...

I think his last 4 performances after apparently over coming a leg injury has been pretty good, all be it not faultless. the only fight I felt he was poor in was the Mohoumadi fight, five fights ago.

Sorry, I just dont hate him like you do.

I don't hate him nor do I feel the need to be childish and litter my posts with 'lols'. Showing yourself up to be quite immature there.

I picked those two fights for Degale because they're the best opponents he's faced since Groves. He looks ok again guys like Davis who offer nothing in return.

I would say Groves being robbed of the chance of victory is about as close to a fact you can get without it being one.

Second thoughts, are you James de Gale/his mum?????

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't hate him nor do I feel the need to be childish and litter my posts with 'lols'. Showing yourself up to be quite immature there.

I picked those two fights for Degale because they're the best opponents he's faced since Groves. He looks ok again guys like Davis who offer nothing in return.

I would say Groves being robbed of the chance of victory is about as close to a fact you can get without it being one.

LOL, When people claim that their opinion is a fact, it can also be viewed as a little stamp your foot like, and childish. Of course its not a fact, its your opinion. My opinion is that Groves was 5 or so seconds away from being KOed... But I dont think what Groves can or cant do has a baring on what Degale can or cant do. I prefer Degale as a fighter to Groves and would like to see him advance to a world title shot also.

"lol" is not immature it simply means one is laughing, which I am, I could keep it a secret if you would prefer, but it is a forum and all that. Haters make me laugh.

Wilczewski was one of his best opponents yes, especially after a big set back losing to Groves, it was quite a brave fight to take right after, but while Mohoumadi was the French champ, I think you have to say that the Zuniga fight was probably a slightly stiffer test as the guy had been in there with some top fighters, Degale dealt with him very well. I would also say that fighting out in Denmark against Cristian Sanavia was a harder fight than Mohoumadi seeing as he beat him and was an ex world champ, Yes you would expect Degale to beat him as he was passed his best but still...

Basically you have chosen Wilczewski who was a very tough durable fighter and was Euro champ because he gave Degale a hard time 7 fights ago, and then you have selected his worst performance in Mohoumadi 5 fights ago. And ignored his mandatory Euro belt Defense in Denmark (Sanavia) and his victory over Zuniga for the Silver strap, both of which he put in very solid performances and were more recent.

By no means are any of Degales fights world class opposition, they are Euro and domestic level. But he has proven to be a level above them...
There for he needs to fight fighters at a higher level, to see if his flaws are able to be exploited as much as you guys think.

You are my uncle and I will cherish you   

Seanusarrilius wrote:Chavez Jr. is a bum. Degale should be able to box his ears off if Vera can blow himself up and beat him (in many peoples eyes)

Chavez Jr a bum? Don't know what you're talking about.

Chavez Jr is lazy. There's a difference between being lazy and a bum.

DeGale gets KO'd inside 6 by Chavez Jr

I think degale could surprise a few with what he's capable of given the regard he's held in on this forum. However, this is contingent on him knuckling down and getting in impeccable shape for his next step up.

Most have admitted to JD being talented, he definitely needs to step up his oppo because, to me at least, he hasn't improved as he should have. Against the big boys I can see him coming unstuck tactically more than anything else. Between him and his trainer there must be five and a half brain cells at a push.

The buture's fright...

Degale is a good boxer. Certainly good enough to beat Chavez or Bika. Unless the former weighs in as a heavyweight juiced to the gills with his Dad as the ref and his Uncles as judges which is what usually happens.

Degale is definitely a talented fighter but the worrying thing is just doesn't look like he's improving as much as he should be. He clearly needs to get rid of his cheerleader trainer who just doesn't seem to stretch him.

That said I give him a decent chance against Bika, He does have the ability to outbox him, and I know there's been a lot of talk about if Bika got him on the ropes which would likely happen, I think Degale could potentially deal with it as he shown on recent fights that he can handle himself with his back to the ropes.

Big question mark though for me is his tendancy to switch off in rounds, possible stamina issues and how much of a dig he really has to keep bika at bay.

It makes sense to fight someone like a Periban next before stepping in with bika to iron out his flaws but theres no doubt in my mind he could take Bika, but don't think is ready for it just yet. And if he sticks with the same trainer I won't be holding my breath just yet.

Volcanicash wrote:Degale is definitely a talented fighter but the worrying thing is just doesn't look like he's improving   as much as he should be.  He clearly needs to get rid of his cheerleader trainer who just doesn't seem to stretch him.

That said I give him a decent chance against Bika, He does have the ability to outbox him, and I know there's been a lot of talk about if Bika got him on the ropes which would likely happen, I think Degale could potentially deal with it as he shown on recent fights that he can handle himself with his back to the ropes.

Big question mark though for me is his tendancy to switch off in rounds, possible stamina issues and how much of a dig he really has to keep bika at bay.

It makes sense to fight someone like a Periban next before stepping in with bika to iron out his flaws but theres no doubt in my mind he could take Bika, but don't think is ready for it just yet.  And if he sticks with the same trainer I won't be holding my breath just yet.

Great post, I agree totally. I'm not convinced he has enough disaplin in his corner... But a world shot could give him the nerves to listen more.. He seems a bit to much of a know it all.

Discipline*

I have to pull you up on saying he's proved he's a level above European level because he has struggled with two fighters at that level. He might surprise us all but on what I've seen I see no real progression in opposition or performances.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Discipline*

I have to pull you up on saying he's proved he's a level above European level because he has struggled with two fighters at that level. He might surprise us all but on what I've seen I see no real progression in opposition or performances.

So he has struggled about 5 and 7 fights ago against the euro Champions and French champ all be it came out as clear winner, and beaten all the other euro fighters easy, what level do you think he should move too?

What Euro level fighter do you think can beat him?

his eliminator fight with what's his face is a fair step up and if he wins that despite you dreaming that he stays fighting euro level fighters he will have no where else to go but up a level, these are the facts.

He didn't come out as a clear winner, he scraped through both fights, he deserved to win but didn't outclass either.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:He didn't come out as a clear winner, he scraped through both fights, he deserved to win but didn't outclass either.

I disagree. The fights you have singled out. The fight against PW, he was a clear winner, no dispute. He just got caught a couple times and was hurt in the 4th or when ever it was.... but he went on to outbox him, no dispute. Go watch the fight, with none hater eyes.

The fight against Mohoumadi was poor because he kept backing into the ropes too much and having lazy rounds, but he was a clear winner..

You wont take those hater glasses off, admit it. How on earth can you dispute those two victories?
He absolutely made hard work of them and had flaws in those fights But he won clearly, simple as that, and they were his worst fights.

I'm not disputing the results but he did not prove himself to be a clear level above, just because I don't rate him highly does not make me a hater.

James "The Shopping Centre Kingpin" DeGale!!!!

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm not disputing the results but he did not prove himself to be a clear level above, just because I don't rate him highly does not make me a hater.

But the reason you appear a hater to me is we are all aware that he has been a progressing pro fighter, and you just address his Euro title fight and another fight after which were not his best showings, and you ignore that since then he has fought people at the same level and beat them more convincingly, but you only want to address the fights 5 or 7 fights ago and ignore the Euro level fights since of which he has out classed. Even the two fights you have addressed there was no dispute at all that he was a clear winner, its just people wanted to see him look more dominant than he was.

Like I say, what Euro level fighter do you suggest beats Degale?

The only reason I sound like a Fan boy, is because I am opposing the hate, which is very strong against Degale... He is a decent fighter who's faults are not down to lack of skill set.

I demand this view is adopted in all corners of this forum

To be honest I'm bored arguing this over and over again.

Tunes is to DeGale what Az was to Khan.

Speak bad of my beaux and you are a 'HATER'.

I thought hating Khan made you a racist?