Boxing's Unbeatables

Finally got round to watching Rigo win every minute of every round against, not top tier but definitely credible oppo, Agbeko.

It was another majestic performance of boxing perfection. He's got to have the best footwork in world boxing, excellent balance, fast accurate punching on a Floyd level, great head movement and range awareness (though his footwork always gets him out of trouble anyway) and fantastic temperament (as shown when Donaire dropped him). His bolo is a peach too. He is the only boxer I can think of that is almost of Mayweather's level of pure boxing technique and ability.

Which got me thinking, as they both look totally unbeatable at their weight divisions, who else can lay claim to being 'unbeatable' at present?

I'd rank as follows:

1. Mayweather @ 147
2. Rigo @ 122
3. Ward @ 168
4. Wlad @ 200+

Who else do think can lay claim to be genuinely unbeatable at a weight??

Tyson Fury.......@140

You got them all.

Danny Garcia at 140 would be one. I can't think of anyone who would beat him after Khan and Mattysse got spanked.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Danny Garcia at 140 would be one. I can't think of anyone who would beat him after Khan and Mattysse got spanked.

I don't think he's unbeatable -- Judah pushed him hard and Matthysse was hampered by a busted eye. I wouldn't be surprised to see Matthysse installed as favourite if they met again. Provodnikov and Broner could beat him also.

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Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see Matthysse installed as favourite if they met again.

I'd be shocked, he got pulled apart by a far superior boxer in the first contest. Why would the bookies see the outcome being so different in the second fight?

Matthysse won the majority of the first six rounds. His eye closed up in the 7th and Garcia took advantage (fair play). Matthysse looked a likely winner up to that point, though.

Id disagree Haz. Id say Garcia won the majority of the early rounds quite clearly. Mathysse was starting to turn the fight on its head and then his eye nearly fell off. Had that not occurred then in pretty certain Lucas would have won.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Id disagree Haz. Id say Garcia won the majority of the early rounds quite clearly. Mathysse was starting to turn the fight on its head and then his eye nearly fell off. Had that not occurred then in pretty certain Lucas would have won.

If Garcia had won the majority of the early rounds -- and he clearly won most of the late rounds, then the scores would have been in the 118-109 region.

hazharrison wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Danny Garcia at 140 would be one. I can't think of anyone who would beat him after Khan and Mattysse got spanked.

I don't think he's unbeatable -- Judah pushed him hard and Matthysse was hampered by a busted eye. I wouldn't be surprised to see Matthysse installed as favourite if they met again. Provodnikov and Broner could beat him also.

Garcia is a good example.

Can't knock his results, but he just doesn't 'feel' unbeatable.

I'd be tempted to back Prov to beat him, or LM in a rematch (had him winning handily until his eye closed).

Also, a Manny fight could happen at 140 which would be darn exciting.

He would easily outbox Prov. A half conscious Bradley did. Why does Garcia lose credit for Matthysses eye closing?? He was the one that closed it. Maybe if Garcia didn't throw any punches, stood still and kept his hands by his side then Lucas might have won as well

Mayweather and Pacquiao could drop a few pounds and be favoured to take him out also.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:He would easily outbox Prov. A half conscious Bradley did. Why does Garcia lose credit for Matthysses eye closing?? He was the one that closed it. Maybe if Garcia didn't throw any punches, stood still and kept his hands by his side then Lucas might have won as well

I'm not looking to take credit from him -- he did his job (and continues to when everyone has written him off). He doesn't look unbeatable, though. Matthysse very well might have beaten him had his eye not closed (which it may not should they meet again).

He beat the 2 best 140lbers in Matthysse and Khan.

If they can't beat him at 140 then I can't see any other CURRENT 140 fighters doin so. I see a few people are talking about welters dropping down to beat him, I'm not talking about that. At the minute Garcia beats every fighter at 140. Matthysse would be beaten even easier next time because Garcia knows the way to do so. Just target the eye again

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:He would easily outbox Prov. A half conscious Bradley did. Why does Garcia lose credit for Matthysses eye closing?? He was the one that closed it. Maybe if Garcia didn't throw any punches, stood still and kept his hands by his side then Lucas might have won as well

A half conscious Bradley would've lost that fight if the kd's had been scored correctly.

Not knocking Garcia's LM win (in the same way I don't like it when detractors refuse to acknowledge Lewis' K win) he did the job he was aiming to do, found the weakness and worked it well. But that also doesn't stop me saying I though LM was comfortably ahead and having no issues before his eye closed. Garcia did very well, but he only outboxed a 1-eyed LM, IMO, not the two-eyed version. Not knocking the win, just saying that I don't think it was enough to consider him 'unbeatable'.

Given the current crop of middleweights I'd say GGG counts @160, as I cant see him not beating the 2 premium fighters at middleweight in an ancient martinez and quillin, who I'm just not impressed by

Maybe Mikey Garcia @130 given Gamboa isnt technically a lightweight, although mikey wins that fight for me now

Would have said Ioka before he moved up in weight

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:Given the current crop of middleweights I'd say GGG counts @160, as I cant see him not beating the 2 premium fighters at middleweight in an ancient martinez and quillin, who I'm just not impressed by

Maybe Mikey Garcia @130 given Gamboa isnt technically a lightweight,  although mikey wins that fight for me now

Would have said Ioka before he moved up in weight

Beat me too it mate, I was going to say GGG as well. He maybe needs a step up fight before ranking along side the other 4 but he is well on the way.

Rigo didn't look unbeatable against cordoba or marroquin really.Fabulous fighter but for someone with his defensive skills he has shipped a bit of leather in his pro career, and I'm not sure how robust he is.

Ward and wlad look unbeatable now, but haven't always.

Annoyingly (without wanting to dig out Castillo) floyd looks pretty much unbeatable.

My order:

Floyd
Ward
Wlad
Rigo

Bit early for golovkin, but given what's around at his weight, he's probably next in line.

Re garcia.. you have to respect his all round game and ring intelligence, but I certainly don't see invincibility in him. For the record, I had him well ahead in the matthysse fight, and ahead before the eye damage.