Boxings peak and slide

Today the sport of boxing is as poor as it ever has been.

Too many alphabet titles, too many ''champions'', too many networks, a heavyweight champion NOBODY knows, the emergance of so called cherry picking, Adonis Stevenson and way too much money corrupting the game we love

So when did it start to decline?

Some say the 50's with the likes of SRR, La Motta, Bassilio, Marciano, Charles, Armstrong, Walcott and Moore was the golden age of boxing. Great fights, great champions, and titles being fought for with passion.

Some say the 70's was the greatest era with Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Duran, Monzon, Buchannon etc but the 80's was not too shabby either the fab four, Tyson, Bruno but I can't put my finger on where it got completly f**ked up as it is today.

Who knows

People have said the same thing since the dawn of time.

When Trussman decided to become a fan, that has ruined it for me.

Boxing is like the local office Milf.

Past it, but you would still want a go.

AdamT wrote:Boxing is like the local office Milf.

Past it, but you would still want a go.

And the build up is better than the event.

Yeah the climax can be a let down.

Scottrf wrote:People have said the same thing since the dawn of time.

This is very true, folk said boxing would not survive John L Sullivan retiring. For a sport that is on its arse we have a heavyweight champion that regularly fights in front of 40,000 + people and a PPV event that has just generated more revenue than most coutries GDP.

UFC is going to overtake. Boxing will not get many million plus ppvs when the next generation are up.

AdamT wrote:UFC is going to overtake. Boxing will not get many million plus ppvs when the next generation are up.

UFC I don't think is ever going to be acceptable in middle class households. I can't see a whole family sitting down to watch it.

I personally don't think I know anyone who watches it, and know loads of people who go to boxing or watch it.

AdamT wrote:UFC is going to overtake. Boxing will not get many million plus ppvs when the next generation are up.

UFC will end up banned

Trust me it is huge among youn adults and teenagers now. Especially in the states.

I know Ireland isn't huge, but Conor McGregor is a 100x bigger than Frampton here.

Why will MMA end up banned?

AdamT wrote:Trust me it is huge among youn adults and teenagers now. Especially in the states.

I know Ireland isn't huge, but Conor McGregor is a 100x bigger than Frampton here.

OMG you're Irish!

Yes

AdamT wrote:Trust me it is huge among youn adults and teenagers now. Especially in the states.

I know Ireland isn't huge, but Conor McGregor is a 100x bigger than Frampton here.

Until he gets sparked, then it'll be "I never liked him anyway"

Can see Conor McGregor becoming as insufferable as Bono, hes already grinding my gears tbh.

AdamT wrote:Why will MMA end up banned?

Couple of detahs and a few disabled fighters will see it banned

You are probably right. However he has fairly put MMa on the map over here.

AdamT wrote:Trust me it is huge among youn adults and teenagers now. Especially in the states.

I know Ireland isn't huge, but Conor McGregor is a 100x bigger than Frampton here.

Well considering Conor McGregor is actually from Ireland it is no surprise he has a bigger fanbase there. With a population roughly 3 or 4 times that of Northern Ireland he has automatic access to a greater potential fanbase straight of the bat.

lfc91 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Trust me it is huge among youn adults and teenagers now. Especially in the states.

I know Ireland isn't huge, but Conor McGregor is a 100x bigger than Frampton here.

Well considering Conor McGregor is actually from Ireland it is no surprise he has a bigger fanbase there. With a population roughly 3 or 4 times that of Northern Ireland he has automatic access to a greater potential fanbase straight of the bat.

Silly comment

He is as well known in the north too

shenglong2015 wrote:

lfc91 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Trust me it is huge among youn adults and teenagers now. Especially in the states.

I know Ireland isn't huge, but Conor McGregor is a 100x bigger than Frampton here.

Well considering Conor McGregor is actually from Ireland it is no surprise he has a bigger fanbase there. With a population roughly 3 or 4 times that of Northern Ireland he has automatic access to a greater potential fanbase straight of the bat.

Silly comment

How so?

Before you all get into this can I ask you all to consider how discussions on Irish nationalism have ended on here traditionally?

Fair point Rowley.

The point is MMA is big over here and growing. It is huge in countries like Poland as well.

Rowley wrote:Before you all get into this can I ask you all to consider how discussions on Irish nationalism have ended on here traditionally?

Having not actually seen the discussions you are referring to I would venture a guess at - Not very well?

Ireland discussions never end well.Too much bigotry on the Island, from both sides.

Very perceptive of you LFC!

lfc91 wrote:

shenglong2015 wrote:

lfc91 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Trust me it is huge among youn adults and teenagers now. Especially in the states.

I know Ireland isn't huge, but Conor McGregor is a 100x bigger than Frampton here.

Well considering Conor McGregor is actually from Ireland it is no surprise he has a bigger fanbase there. With a population roughly 3 or 4 times that of Northern Ireland he has automatic access to a greater potential fanbase straight of the bat.

Silly comment

How so?

Fighters North and South are followed by the island as a whole, given that it is an all Ireland Boxing Association, so Frampton is followed in the Republic as much as the occupied 6 counties, albeit probably more so in the North, but no different than say Josh Warrington having a bigger following in Leeds, as oppossed to London.

Think like the Irish Rugby Team.

So Adam T's point does stand, whether there is truth in it or not is a whole other debate. But suggesting the people of Ireland stop supporting a fighter due to a boarder that isnt recognised by most is just foolish.

But I will put it down to your niavety on the subject and move on, as these ill educated view points usually result in me being banned for having an opinion that deviates from the norm, however valid they are.

Which you are clearly basing on no more than you're own opinion on the matter?

Congratulations on using quite possibly the worst example you could to base that opinion on by the way. The Irish Rugby team? A team that is representative of the entire island of Ireland will obviously Garner support from all counties. The 2 independant football teams would be a more fair representation of the break down of support between the 2 countries.

No one suggested that the boarder stops support. (Bar you possibly inadvertantly). What I was suggesting is that nationality plays a huge role for many people on which fighters/athletes/teams they support. So a simple suggestion on my part that people are more likely to give there support to a fellow countryman/men is a fair one in my opinion.

Will chalk this up to you simply missing the point I was trying to make. No harm, no foul.

You do know half the North doesn't support the North football team?

lfc91 wrote:Which you are clearly basing on no more than you're own opinion on the matter?

Congratulations on using quite possibly the worst example you could to base that opinion on by the way. The Irish Rugby team? A team that is representative of the entire island of Ireland will obviously Garner support from all counties. The 2 independant football teams would be a more fair representation of the break down of support between the 2 countries.

No one suggested that the boarder stops support. (Bar you possibly inadvertantly). What I was suggesting is that nationality plays a huge role for many people on which fighters/athletes/teams they support. So a simple suggestion on my part that people are more likely to give there support to a fellow countryman/men is a fair one in my opinion.

Will chalk this up to you simply missing the point I was trying to make. No harm, no foul.

No lets break this down for you:

Theres isnt two countries when it comes to boxing (like Rugby) it is an all Ireland Association.

Is that easier?

I would be very interested in you informing me which half you are talking about? Hopefully I am just having an off day, because there is no way you could be silly/niave enough to be suggesting what I think you are. No one is that much of an idiot..

AdamT wrote:You do know half the North doesn't support the North football team?

Adam there is literally no point in getting into this, they will never ever ever ever ever get it.

I have been on 606 for over 8 years old and new, and they either never get it, or they do get it and are just ignorant, and refuse to recognise that there is a natioalist community living in the North of Ireland.

Either way people refuse to conceed any points and we should avoid this discussion at all costs.....lets just stick to boxing.

However there are 2 countries when it comes to COUNTRIES. Does that make it easier for you?

I will move on.

Boxing will never die, but it needs to regulary put on the big fights. The Floyd v Manny show may have been a let down, but at least they eventually fought.

Cotto v Canelo is another step in the right direction. Hopefully rivals start fighting now, while they are in their peaks.

North/South, it's all the same anyway. Ireland.

You do realise I am from Belfast? Which does give me a pretty good insight I would feel. One of those insights I can share with you. Through work I have come to know/regard as friends people from many different areas/walks of life. Many would certainly qualify as what you consider to be 'Nationalist' and the reason I was so taken aback by Adams comment is that many of them DO INFACT support the Northern Ireland football team. Admittedly the people I am talking about are predominantly of the well educated/open minded variety. However, a throw away comment that 'Half the North' doesn't support the football team based on what i'm guessing is his own opinion, is nothing short of insanity. Really does defy belief.

Ok then LOADS from the North do not support the team.

Loads from England don't support English boxers. Is there a boxing council that tells you who you should support based on your location?

Scottrf wrote: Is there a boxing council that tells you who you should support based on your location?

Just ask me, I'll tell you.

England is in 21st Century Scott.

We are only a couple of centuries away oursaelves.

That I can agree with (Depending on your definition of loads i suppose...)

Rowley wrote:Before you all get into this can I ask you all to consider how discussions on Irish nationalism have ended on here traditionally?

Someone ends up with a badly tarmacked drive and the silver missing from their house?

Were I from it is loads man. I live in mixed area and have mixed friends.

Maybe half was taking it a bit far, but honestly you would be suprised how many really support the Republic.

I myself am merely a Man United fan (I am not from Salford)

Cheers Super, when things look like they might get out of hand can always rely on you to put the fire out. Appreciated.

None at all Scott, just my opinion that if you could create two boxers who were identical in every way EXCEPT that one was English and one was not, the English boxer will in general be more likely to recieve support from the general public in England than the other.

Now obviously there are hundreds of other factors that can/will influence who the average man/women supports. However it can not be ignored that Nationality is one of the bigger factors.

Anyway back on point. My main gripe with UFC is that an entire round can be spent rolling around on the ground (or grappling I think it is known as..). Not half bad if the grappling is kept to a minimum.

lfc91 wrote:Anyway back on point. My main gripe with UFC is that an entire round can be spent rolling around on the ground (or grappling I think it is known as..). Not half bad if the grappling is kept to a minimum.

My main gripe with archery is that they spend half the time shooting at a target.

I am not a big fan of MMA, but people see it as the "sport of fighting."

In more immature words, boxers aren't as bad as* as the MMA guys and would lose a fight.

Also the cage and the whole WWe type show does it no harm.

Lastly the fact that the best usually fight the best is good for them.

Scottrf wrote:

lfc91 wrote:Anyway back on point. My main gripe with UFC is that an entire round can be spent rolling around on the ground (or grappling I think it is known as..). Not half bad if the grappling is kept to a minimum.

My main gripe with archery is that they spend half the time shooting at a target.

That is my favourite half of archery. The loading/re-loading can become tedious.

lfc91 wrote:You do realise I am from Belfast? Which does give me a pretty good insight I would feel. One of those insights I can share with you. Through work I have come to know/regard as friends people from many different areas/walks of life. Many would certainly qualify as what you consider to be 'Nationalist' and the reason I was so taken aback by Adams comment is that many of them DO INFACT support the Northern Ireland football team. Admittedly the people I am talking about are predominantly of the well educated/open minded variety. However, a throw away comment that 'Half the North' doesn't support the football team based on what i'm guessing is his own opinion, is nothing short of insanity. Really does defy belief.

You are right Adam T, half of the 6 counties don't support Narnia Ireland.

Given the figures of people that don't follow football, and the number of people that support the Republic of Ireland you are correct.

So it is not insantiy, and does not defy belief.