Mayweather - Pacquiao fight will never happen

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Yet another excuse from Floyd....i find it puzzling how Bob Arum being Pacquiao's promotor did not prevent Mayweather offering manny $40 million to fight a couple of years ago.

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/267829.html

Floyd Mayweather Jr has hinted the long-awaited encounter against Manny Pacquiao will never go ahead while the Fillipino star remains with promoter Bob Arum, according to FightHype,com.

The fight is predicted to gross around $300 million if it goes ahead - which would be the highest total in history - and has been talked about by boxing fans and pundits for years.

But it seems that a long-running feud with Arum could be the road block for any potential fight for Mayweather, stemming from the days the promoter used to work with the undefeated American.

Mayweather split with Arum in 2006 amid accusations of underpaying and undermarketing him and has vowed to never work with anyone associated with his fellow countryman.

Mayweather told FightHype.com: "We all know the Pacquiao fight, at this particular time, will never happen, and the reason why the fight won't happen is because I will never do business with Bob Arum again in [my] life, and Pacquiao is Bob Arum's fighter.

"Bob Arum gives Pacquiao a date, whereas Floyd Mayweather gives Floyd Mayweather his own date. I will be fighting again in May and I will be fighting again in September.

"And I want to see Manny Pacquiao's real pay-per-view numbers. Get his pay-per-view numbers from his last fight and compare them to my pay-per-view numbers with Canelo Alvarez. Did he do 1.2 million homes? He has done one million homes."

Pacquiao is understood to want to find a solution to make the fight happen, but it seems unlikely now in the wake of Mayweather Jr's comments.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:If Mayweather had no interest in ever working with Arum, how come he entered into negotiations first time round?

To test the water. Clearly Arum was non negotiable

Martinez is a former WBC Light middleweight champion - I don't see why he'd need to prove he can make 154 again, unless you just want him to get older in the meantime...

kingraf wrote:Martinez is a former WBC Light middleweight champion - I don't see why he'd need to prove he can make 154 again, unless you just want him to get older in the meantime...

Martinez offered to drop down to make the fight!

kingraf wrote:Martinez is a former WBC Light middleweight champion - I don't see why he'd need to prove he can make 154 again, unless you just want him to get older in the meantime...

Pacquiao is a former flyweight champion so does that mean he makes weight even now?

Margarito and Cotto were two of the biggest draws in boxing in 2008 and would have represented huge fights for Floyd. What does Floyd do.........he retires..........for a while.

In 2007 and 2008 Paul Williams was the welter weight WBO champion. I suppose the landscape did look a bit tough when Floyd decided to go into his first "retirement".

You can forgive a fight here or there falling through the cracks. When you start making excuses for Mayweather missing an entire division of Cotto, Pacquiao, Williams, Margarito etc it all looks a bit desperate. Even right now instead of picking one of the three or four better fights out there he is targetting Amir Khan. Sorry but wake up and smell the coffee. The excuses are just priceless.

catchweight wrote:You can forgive a fight here or there falling through the cracks. When you start making excuses for Mayweather missing an entire division of Cotto, Pacquiao, Williams, Margarito etc it all looks a bit desperate. Even right now instead of picking one of the three or four better fights out there he is targetting Amir Khan. Sorry but wake up and smell the coffee. The excuses are just priceless.

Equally, you have got to give him credit for fights he did take:

E.g
De La Hoya at 154lbs
Canelo Alvarez
Cotto at 154lbs
Castillo
Corrales
Gatti, when he was on a crest of a wave.
Hatton, when he was unbeaten...
JMM, after been out of the ring for nearly 2 years.

All Time Great wrote:

catchweight wrote:You can forgive a fight here or there falling through the cracks. When you start making excuses for Mayweather missing an entire division of Cotto, Pacquiao, Williams, Margarito etc it all looks a bit desperate. Even right now instead of picking one of the three or four better fights out there he is targetting Amir Khan. Sorry but wake up and smell the coffee. The excuses are just priceless.

Equally, you have got to give him credit for fights he did take:

E.g
De La Hoya at 154lbs
Canelo Alvarez
Cotto at 154lbs
Castillo
Corrales
Gatti, when he was on a crest of a wave.
Hatton, when he was unbeaten...
JMM, after been out of the ring for nearly 2 years.

He deserves credit for Castillo and Corrales certainly, they were top fighters and were Mayweathers best wins. The others were in my opinion purely financial and very winnable fights.

DLH hadn't won a meaningful fight in years.

Cotto was at his best at 147 and some years before he faced Mayweather so let's not pretend like he stepped up and took a real challenge.

Each of the remaining fighters you've listed have big question marks against them too, but I can't be arsed to list them.

He deserves little credit for beating Gatti, was a complete mismatch in every single department. At least Hatton, Ortiz, Canelo and the others had advantages.

Castillo & Corrales were and still are by some margin his best wins; not just because of who they are but because they were at their peaks. He dominated Corrales and made him look rank average; something which he most certainly wasn't especially at Super Feather. Whilst Castillo ran him close first time, perhaps even beat him, Mayweather learnt his lessons and perhaps more importantly got between the ropes to face him and put any doubt to rest.

Whilst everyone now says Canelo was a very winnable fight; before the fight was made that wasn't the case. Almost everyone believed Canelo would be simply too big and strong for him. Hind sight is a wonderful thing in this sport, but sometimes people just need to admit that they were wrong...this fight being one of them. Far to easy to discredit Floyd after the events unfolded. For me this sits up there with Corrales & Castillo. Canelo may not be Sugar Ray Robinson but he is a decent enough boxer and at some point you have to credit Floyd for going in against a man who was vastly bigger than him.

As for the rest...not sure that you have to give him credit for all of them as 'All Time' suggests. Equally the questions over some of them may not be as big as Lumbering suggests ...but certainly enough to leave people questioning his true standing amongst the very best of all time.

DLH - Decent win, Oscar wasn't as shot as some would have you believe..but he had only fought once in 2 & half years and still ran him close.

Cotto - Should have happened in and around 2008 at 147; absolutely no arguing this!

Gatti - Whilst he may have been on the crest of a wave, he was on it against relatively average opposition. The guy was 33 by this point...approaching 50 in ring years given the numerous wars he had been in up till this point; add to that he was tailor made for Floyd by this stage.

Hatton - This goes down in and amongst his Top 5 wins for me. It was a very good win, though I will stick to my original point that had it been at 140 it would have been a great one!

JMM - Floyd may have been out of the ring, but we all know he never stops training. In fact Marquez was arguably more handicapped by being in the ring during those retirement years of Floyds. Not only had he come into the contest on the back of 3 extremely tough fights, he was stepping up to Welterweight for the first time. I maintain to this day it's a division he has never belonged in...4 fights in it and he's lost 3. Thoroughly outboxed by Mayweather & Bradley...whilst the 3rd Manny fight is up for debate, it is the one which Manny probably has a stronger case for winning. The 4th fight finished of course in a win...but up until the hail mary Marquez was being battered pillar to post for much of the contest.

All Time Great wrote:

catchweight wrote:You can forgive a fight here or there falling through the cracks. When you start making excuses for Mayweather missing an entire division of Cotto, Pacquiao, Williams, Margarito etc it all looks a bit desperate. Even right now instead of picking one of the three or four better fights out there he is targetting Amir Khan. Sorry but wake up and smell the coffee. The excuses are just priceless.

Equally, you have got to give him credit for fights he did take:

E.g
De La Hoya at 154lbs
Canelo Alvarez
Cotto at 154lbs
Castillo
Corrales
Gatti, when he was on a crest of a wave.
Hatton, when he was unbeaten...
JMM, after been out of the ring for nearly 2 years.

Not really no. The latter part of his career has been cherry picked so I dont think he deserves any great credit for it. He is overcredited for his welterweight career as it is. I think he has fooled a lot of people into believing he is better than he is and certainly that his career is better than it is. There is too much hyperbole in boxing these days that fans buy into. Hatton, for example, gets called a multiple weight world champion and a top "pound for pound" fighter. What does this actually mean cutting out the BS? Its a lot of baloney. With same day weigh ins, less divisions and less titles Hatton is really just going to be an average enough welterweight contender. Not a champion and never one of the top fighters in the world. Mayweather selected him as an opponent because he was an easier option than several others on the table. The "pound for pound" and "multiple weight champion" stuff is just smoke and mirrors. Mayweather knew this. At the time there were harder fights out there. This is a pattern that is repeated.

I view it that he deserves much less credit than he seems to get for years and years of avoiding the toughest fights at welterweight and for the wins he actually got instead. Too many past it fighters and easier options. And lets face it, it wasnt even the toughest of welterweight divisions when you consider other past ones. His best victories there are a past it Shane Mosley and Zab Judah. Its a far cry from the calibre of even peak welters like de la Hoya, Mosley and Trinidad nevermind Leonard, Hearns or Duran. I think there is perspective needed.

The same old garbage from you then Catchweight, yawn you're such a fraud get off Boxrec and understand the time you're talking about.

Boxrec crashed over Christmas then Hammersmith? What happened to you? You were supposed to the mature voice of reason upon whos contribution the entire boxing world waited upon with baited breath. At least you used to peddle boxrec and the Ring magazines pound for pound list, now you arent even offering that. Better start coming out with how Hatton was a harder fight than Williams because he was ranked on the Ring Magazine list or else you will have absolutely nothing to offer.

Oh and finish off your post with something like "grow up" to try and pretend you are a mature adult instead of a boxec nerd with too much time on his hands.

Hatton was the fight everybody wanted, it was the money fight and he was a fighter many thought would cause problems. Easy in hindsight to point to Williams but at that specific time they wanted De La Hoya and Hatton and got them. Everyone wanted the Judah fight up until he lost Baldomir so he fought the conquered and the conqueror. After Hatton he should have fought Cotto no arguments there but Williams and Margarito were not the fights the public wanted.

I understand where that train of thought has come from but it is based on revisionism and hindsight not the reality of the time.

Enjoy another night in with a pot noodle, boxrec and a boxing forum to keep you company Hammersmith. Il pop on tomorrow to see if you can come up with any better Mayweather excuses.

You must have a very sad life, I do feel sorry for you. I've yet to see a single comment from you that would give you the right to question the knowledge of others.

Yep a tragic life. I wish I had known guys like you when I was younger to give me tips on boxing, maturity and life in general. I would probably be training Floyd Mayweather.

Or maybe I would be sat in every night with some kind of superiority/inferiority complex looking up boxing stats all day trying to pretend Im an authority on the subject to a bunch of strangers online. And getting antsy when I get exposed for it.

One of lifes regrets I guess

You've not exposed me in the slightest dear chap, you can think what you want but it just makes you look bitter and resentful.

Oh jolly good.. Speaking like an upper class Englishman makes me look smarter too my dear fellow.

Stiff upper lip old boy, theres more to this boxing lark than your boxrec and pound for pound tomfoolery you know.

You should enlighten me some time then because i've learnt nothing from your pessimistic view on everything.