Gatland Rattles Bees Nest (again)

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In the latest twist of the saga that just won't die, victorious Lions coach Warren Gatland has bizarrely baited Irish fans over Brian O'Driscoll's dumping from the final Lions test.

He has chosen the launch of what will be one of the most fiercely contested Six Nations championships in years to pick at the old scab according to the bastion of journalism, the Daily Mail.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11190951

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2544139/Gatland-pleas-Ireland-fans-ODriscoll-sent-Christmas-card-dont-boo-me.html

Is this just creative journalistic timing? or does Gatland seriously want to provoke the Irish before the six nations clash? was this part of his plan all along?

NZ'ers like to drop him, first Umaga did it, then Gatland did it because BOD objected to the previous.

What a Turnip.

He's signed for Munster?

Griff wrote:Doctor_grey, did you read the articles?  I can't see where Gatland is stirring the pot.  He comes across very well in those articles I think (the quotes I mean, not the journalistic spin bits and the sensationalist headlines).

To be fair, I only skimmed a few of the articles, but in no depth. Maybe I was reading the spin and not the actual quotes.
At this point in time, reading about O'Driscoll-Gatland is like fingernails on a chalkboard.  

I hope Gatland gets a good reaction.  As long as nothing crosses the line, it should add to the fun of the occasion.

Besides, I was having a bit 'o fun with GE there.

I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

Let's see some direct quotes of this problem then GG. You really are scraping the barrel with your wums nowadays. Sad to see.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

lol/

you crack me up dude

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

Let's see some direct quotes of this problem then GG. You really are scraping the barrel with your wums nowadays. Sad to see.

Direct quote? Here you go:

"‘The players’ experiences against Ireland and their experiences at provincial level against Leinster and Munster haven’t always been the greatest, so they are very motivated,’ said Gatland. ‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’"

"‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’""

did he really say that.

Maybe I am to far out of the loop. But that is bang out of order if he said that

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

Let's see some direct quotes of this problem then GG. You really are scraping the barrel with your wums nowadays. Sad to see.

Direct quote? Here you go:

"‘The players’ experiences against Ireland and their experiences at provincial level against Leinster and Munster haven’t always been the greatest, so they are very motivated,’ said Gatland. ‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’"

Here you go what? He states the players have a problem, if anything. I can't see anything saying about his problems. Try again GG

mystiroakey wrote:"‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’""

did he really say that.

Maybe I am to far out of the loop. But that is bang out of order if he said that

Yeah, welcome to 2009.

But its still 2003 Risca

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

Let's see some direct quotes of this problem then GG. You really are scraping the barrel with your wums nowadays. Sad to see.

Direct quote? Here you go:

"‘The players’ experiences against Ireland and their experiences at provincial level against Leinster and Munster haven’t always been the greatest, so they are very motivated,’ said Gatland. ‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’"

Here you go what? He states the players have a problem, if anything. I can't see anything saying about his problems. Try again GG

Well, ask yourself who would say such a thing, even if it were true?

Gatling Gob must have been murder to referee in his playing years.
I imagine he gave plenty of advice to the ref all game. Anyone remember any incidents ?

gregortree wrote:Gatling Gob must have been murder to referee in his playing years.
I imagine he gave plenty of advice to the ref all game. Anyone remember any incidents ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2333570/Warren-Gatland-beats-Lions-playing-Waikato-1993.html

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=675nDQFhmLk

GunsGerms wrote:Thats kinda of one of my points. The NZ press is so anglo centric that any opinion on any European affairs comes filtered through the British press. Can they not do their own research?

Ireland has just a small population but yet the journalism here is of a much higher standard. A paper is either a tabliod paper or it isnt.

I'm, not familiar with the Irish press. Is it of a much higher standard than the British Press? It would have to work pretty hard to be worse than the Daily Fail. Which papers would you recommend from Ireland ?- I 'd appreciate reading some real journalism and might be able to find it online.

Irish times. www.irishtimes.ie Personally I think it is better than most papers I read in Britain. The daily mail is only good if I want to see what diet proudlock from made in chelsea is on etc.

nobbled wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Thats kinda of one of my points. The NZ press is so anglo centric that any opinion on any European affairs comes filtered through the British press. Can they not do their own research?

Ireland has just a small population but yet the journalism here is of a much higher standard. A paper is either a tabliod paper or it isnt.

I'm, not familiar with the Irish press. Is it of a much higher standard than the British Press? It would have to work pretty hard to be worse than the Daily Fail. Which papers would you recommend from Ireland ?- I 'd appreciate reading some real journalism and might be able to find it online.

Let's hope it's improved from 2009! Where the ombudsman' report found that less than 50% of articles we're entirely correct.

http://www.pressombudsman.ie/_fileupload/Accuracy%20research%20report%200609%20(Final).pdf


"In a separate fact-check of 54 newspaper items, it was found that 25 items (46%) contained no error. As it happens, this was precisely the same percentage of source- responses that rated the articles reviewed as containing no error. This left 29 items (54%) in which the researchers found some error."

GunsGerms wrote:Irish times. www.irishtimes.ie Personally I think it is better than most papers I read in Britain. The daily mail is only good if I want to see what diet proudlock from made in chelsea is on etc.

Cheers - I'll take a look.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

gregortree wrote:Gatling Gob must have been murder to referee in his playing years.
I imagine he gave plenty of advice to the ref all game. Anyone remember any incidents ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2333570/Warren-Gatland-beats-Lions-playing-Waikato-1993.html

thanks GE  .. my, he had to jog all 3 yards to score that one. He was a bit breathless and lost for words, but who wouldn't be after that jog.

PS: I'm worried about your relationship with the Daily Mail... its pretty left wing y'know... and might give you strange ideas.

Where was the lions defense? It all looked like slow motion.

the daily mail is right wing George

Mystir, my name is Gregor, and yes I know...now where is that whistle ?  

Nice hair!

For a Turnip.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Where was the lions defense? It all looked like slow motion.

They stopped for a fag and a swig from the bucket, while Gats was poncing around scoring.
Amateurs.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

Let's see some direct quotes of this problem then GG. You really are scraping the barrel with your wums nowadays. Sad to see.

Direct quote? Here you go:

"‘The players’ experiences against Ireland and their experiences at provincial level against Leinster and Munster haven’t always been the greatest, so they are very motivated,’ said Gatland. ‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’"

Here you go what? He states the players have a problem, if anything. I can't see anything saying about his problems. Try again GG

Well, ask yourself who would say such a thing, even if it were true?

Ian Paisley?

 

gregortree wrote:Mystir, my name is Gregor, and yes I know...now where is that whistle ?  

Sorry Greg   

 

If Ireland plays badly against Wales and BOD gets dropped, they can blame Gatland again.

rodders wrote:
Ian Paisley?

Classic Rodders. Haha!!!

Speaking of Ulstermen with a big presence Philip Matthews was in my office today for some reason. Legend.

Scrumpy wrote:Nice hair!

For a Turnip.

Your repetitive turnip banter is hilarious too. Laugh a minute on here at the minute.

Is Scrumpy made from turnips….makes sense

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

Let's see some direct quotes of this problem then GG. You really are scraping the barrel with your wums nowadays. Sad to see.

Direct quote? Here you go:

"‘The players’ experiences against Ireland and their experiences at provincial level against Leinster and Munster haven’t always been the greatest, so they are very motivated,’ said Gatland. ‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’"

At long last GE unearths a reason for the inexplicable dropping of BOD - so Gatland's hand was forced by player power.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

nobbled wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Thats kinda of one of my points. The NZ press is so anglo centric that any opinion on any European affairs comes filtered through the British press. Can they not do their own research?

Ireland has just a small population but yet the journalism here is of a much higher standard. A paper is either a tabliod paper or it isnt.

I'm, not familiar with the Irish press. Is it of a much higher standard than the British Press? It would have to work pretty hard to be worse than the Daily Fail. Which papers would you recommend from Ireland ?- I 'd appreciate reading some real journalism and might be able to find it online.

Let's hope it's improved from 2009! Where the ombudsman' report found that less than 50% of articles we're entirely correct.

http://www.pressombudsman.ie/_fileupload/Accuracy%20research%20report%200609%20(Final).pdf


"In a separate fact-check of 54 newspaper items, it was found that 25 items (46%) contained no error. As it happens, this was precisely the same percentage of source- responses that rated the articles reviewed as containing no error. This left 29 items (54%) in which the researchers found some error."

Does NZ even have an ombudsman? Is it a sheep?

And if 50% of your articles were correct GE you wouldn't be a Daily Mail reader which you patently are.

Gatland is a bit of a tosspot to be fair.

Scratch wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:

nobbled wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Thats kinda of one of my points. The NZ press is so anglo centric that any opinion on any European affairs comes filtered through the British press. Can they not do their own research?

Ireland has just a small population but yet the journalism here is of a much higher standard. A paper is either a tabliod paper or it isnt.

I'm, not familiar with the Irish press. Is it of a much higher standard than the British Press? It would have to work pretty hard to be worse than the Daily Fail. Which papers would you recommend from Ireland ?- I 'd appreciate reading some real journalism and might be able to find it online.

Let's hope it's improved from 2009! Where the ombudsman' report found that less than 50% of articles we're entirely correct.

http://www.pressombudsman.ie/_fileupload/Accuracy%20research%20report%200609%20(Final).pdf


"In a separate fact-check of 54 newspaper items, it was found that 25 items (46%) contained no error. As it happens, this was precisely the same percentage of source- responses that rated the articles reviewed as containing no error. This left 29 items (54%) in which the researchers found some error."

Does NZ even have an ombudsman? Is it a sheep?

And if 50% of your articles were correct GE you wouldn't be a Daily Mail reader which you patently are.

We would never allow the sacred sheep to occupy such an undignified post. That would just be cruelty to animals.

NZ journalism is self-regulated under the journalism standards committee which was established in the 1970's and has a mandate suspiciously almost identical to Britain's recently (2011) formed press complaints commission. Another example of NZ showing the way for Britain 30 years earlier. Much like the vote for women and the labour movement.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Scratch wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:

nobbled wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Thats kinda of one of my points. The NZ press is so anglo centric that any opinion on any European affairs comes filtered through the British press. Can they not do their own research?

Ireland has just a small population but yet the journalism here is of a much higher standard. A paper is either a tabliod paper or it isnt.

I'm, not familiar with the Irish press. Is it of a much higher standard than the British Press? It would have to work pretty hard to be worse than the Daily Fail. Which papers would you recommend from Ireland ?- I 'd appreciate reading some real journalism and might be able to find it online.

Let's hope it's improved from 2009! Where the ombudsman' report found that less than 50% of articles we're entirely correct.

http://www.pressombudsman.ie/_fileupload/Accuracy%20research%20report%200609%20(Final).pdf


"In a separate fact-check of 54 newspaper items, it was found that 25 items (46%) contained no error. As it happens, this was precisely the same percentage of source- responses that rated the articles reviewed as containing no error. This left 29 items (54%) in which the researchers found some error."

Does NZ even have an ombudsman? Is it a sheep?

And if 50% of your articles were correct GE you wouldn't be a Daily Mail reader which you patently are.

We would never allow the sacred sheep to occupy such an undignified post. That would just be cruelty to animals.

NZ journalism is self-regulated under the journalism standards committee which was established in the 1970's and has a mandate suspiciously almost identical to Britain's recently (2011) formed press complaints commission.  Another example of NZ showing the way for Britain 30 years earlier. Much like the vote for women and the labour movement.

So YOU are to blame?

So why is it that the only press from NZ we get to read about over this side of the world is from the NZherald - a paper which makes the daily fail look open minded

Perhaps an inherent parochialism makes you unwilling to seek out opinions and perspectives from foreign press outlets? I don't know, you can't blame others for your own eurocentricity surely?

The NZ Herald is full to brimming with reports from UK writers when it comes to anything outside NZ.

The NZ TV News is the same.

Yeah. There's truth there. Its a hang over from NZ's close association with Britain. If you look outside the English speaking media you find more diversity of opinion and viewpoint. But that of course involves learning languages other than English, which those of English descent are generally fairly poor at.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wonder if Gatland shouldn't get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute with this childish and public stand off with an opposition player.

He's already revealed earlier in his carreer that he has a problem with the Irish in general.

Very unprofessional.

Let's see some direct quotes of this problem then GG. You really are scraping the barrel with your wums nowadays. Sad to see.

Direct quote? Here you go:

"‘The players’ experiences against Ireland and their experiences at provincial level against Leinster and Munster haven’t always been the greatest, so they are very motivated,’ said Gatland. ‘We’ve even talked about how, out of all the teams in the Six Nations, the Welsh players dislike the Irish players the most.’"

When did Gatland say this?

Google is your friend

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-coach-gatland-stays-clear-1844896