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Post by hampo17 Sun 16 Feb 2014 - 13:52

Our newest football writer, Somsubhro Chatterjee has taken a look at who he thinks are the best 10 goalkeepers in Premier League history. Normally I would paste the article over, however he has included a few videos, so head over to the journal and cast your vote thumbsup

http://v2journal.com/22/post/2014/02/top-10-premier-league-goalkeepers-of-all-time.html

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Post by Duty281 Sun 16 Feb 2014 - 13:54

Is he saying that Nigel Martyn is a better keeper than Cech, or is he listing them in no particular order?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 16 Feb 2014 - 14:19

Lacking Rob Green
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Post by hampo17 Sun 16 Feb 2014 - 14:29

That's his top 10 thumbsup

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Post by compelling and rich Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 10:25

not a bad top ten, cant agrue with most. not sure martyn deserves to be so high up and no david james is probably a bad omission despite his occasional blips

i would personally have VDS much higher but then again i am a bit biased. JJ is too high, would have brad friedal over him.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 10:28

Pepe Reina. Liverpool get everywhere, and you can never wash em off

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Post by compelling and rich Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 10:30

my top ten

1. schmeichel
2. VDS
3. seaman
4. brad friedel
5. david james
6. cech
7. JJ
8. nigel martyn
9. mark schawazer
10. shay given

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Post by compelling and rich Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 10:31

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Pepe Reina. Liverpool get everywhere, and you can never wash em off

cant say ive ever rated reina particularly highly, doesnt make my top ten. couldn't catch a cold but decent shot stopper. prone to daft errors as well

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Post by Crazy About EPL Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 12:30

compelling and rich wrote:my top ten

1. schmeichel
2. VDS
3. seaman
4. brad friedel
5. david james
6. cech
7. JJ
8. nigel martyn
9. mark schawazer
10. shay given

Thats a lot better than my top 10. And that's the reason that I've joined this forum- so that I could get some suggestions and opinions from the more experienced guys. I would only put seaman above vds.

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Post by Hero Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 13:12

I'd have had it as the following:

1. Schmeichel
2. Cech
3. VDS
4. Seaman
5. James
6. Friedel
7. Martyn
8. Reina
9. Schwarzer
10. Given

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Post by Crimey Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 13:20

I think Reina was world class for at least the first four seasons he was in England, it's only been over the last couple where his class has come under question. I still think he deserves a mention as on his day he was one of the best keepers in the world, I think he'd be rated higher had he not been playing at the same time as Cech who has taken a lot of the plaudits that he would have earned.

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Post by Hero Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 13:23

I agree with you on that and that's why I included him in my top ten, his WC form over his earlier years pushes him higher than extended decent form of the veterans of the PL.

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Post by lfc91 Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 13:45

Pepe reina won the premier league golden gloves 3 years in a row, surely that warrants a place in the top 10?

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Post by Stella Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 13:50

Jaaskelainen? Good shot stopper, but not top 10, imo.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 14:15

Somsubhro Chatterjee, Riena wasnt part of Liverpool's 2005 Champions league run, he was signed in the summer after!

Also that top 10 is kac

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 14:27

Jussi is longevity pick. And I think people forget how good he was on top form.

1. Schmeichel
2. Cech
3. Seaman
4. VDS
5. Given
6. JJ
7. Martyn
8. Flowers
9. Schwarzer
10. Friedel

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Post by compelling and rich Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 15:40

your not a bad keeper if you can consistently play in the prem for a long period of time, jj, james and schwarzer have proven themselves over long periods, with james easily holding records for apperances and clean sheets despite him not always playing for the top sides. the likes of cech and reina have had some very shakey years in there time here and havent done it for as long

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Post by Stella Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 15:50

Who's saying their bad? Top 15 would be fine for JJ.
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Post by compelling and rich Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 15:53

Stella wrote:Who's saying their bad? Top 15 would be fine for JJ.

JJ has shown how good a keeper he has been for a long long period, too old now but was always a reliable keeper and thats one of the best compliments you can give a keeper. not to mention he didnt have the greatest defences in front of him that others did. id rather have jj at his best than reina

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Post by hampo17 Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 19:21

SoF instead of calling someone else's list "kac" why not add your own?

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Post by CFCNick Mon 17 Feb 2014 - 20:15

You seen my PM hampo?

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Post by Crazy About EPL Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 6:17

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Somsubhro Chatterjee, Riena wasnt part of Liverpool's 2005 Champions league run, he was signed in the summer after!

Also that top 10 is kac
As I have mentioned in my earlier reply, I am new to this. I have joined this forum for suggestions from experienced guys like you. And thanks for pointing out that blunder!
Well, that's my opinion. You can expect articles from me that are a lot better in the coming months. Have you had a look at my other atricles? They're "kac" too?
Honestly, I have no idea what "kac" means, but I take it as a suggestion and hope that my future posts won't get such adjectives associated with them.

Thanks again!

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Post by Crazy About EPL Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 6:42

compelling and rich wrote:
Stella wrote:Who's saying their bad? Top 15 would be fine for JJ.

JJ has shown how good a keeper he has been for a long long period, too old now but was always a reliable keeper and thats one of the best compliments you can give a keeper. not to mention he didnt have the greatest defences in front of him that others did. id rather have jj at his best than reina

That's why he is in my list. Schmeichel is the best ever without a doubt, but he had a good defence in front of him. David seaman also had a solid back-four. For that matter, Petr Cech also had(has?) one of the best defence in the EPL, Terry, Cahill, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta, Cole... In fact, they're so good that they have conceded the least no. of goals this season. Have a look at the image for refence...
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 8:29

hampo171 wrote:SoF instead of calling someone else's list "kac" why not add your own?

Can I do both?

Crazy About EPL wrote:As I have mentioned in my earlier reply, I am new to this. I have joined this forum for suggestions from experienced guys like you. And thanks for pointing out that blunder!
Well, that's my opinion. You can expect articles from me that are a lot better in the coming months. Have you had a look at my other atricles? They're "kac" too?
Honestly, I have no idea what "kac" means, but I take it as a suggestion and hope that my future posts won't get such adjectives associated with them.

Thanks again!

Is means your Top 10 isnt very good. But your only 19 and have not experience the Prem since its inception and probably had got your ideas from other lists so ill give to a pass. But Jussi at number 3!!! Doh

Your Vidic article is like something I have read off 'Caughtoffside.com'.

Your Mata article is a little better but take it your a United fan Laugh

Anyways, at Hampos request  Wink , I am in work and can’t provide descriptions, so here it goes:

1) Peter Schmeichel Prem Apps: 310 CS: 129
2) Petr Cech Prem Apps: 317 CS: 156
3) Edwin Van Der Saar Prem Apps: 314 CS: 134
4) David Seaman Prem Apps: 344 CS: 142
5) Jose ‘Pepe’ Riena Prem Apps: 285 CS: 134
6) Nigel Martyn Prem Apps 372 CS: 138
7) Brad Friedel Prem Apps: 450 CS: 132
8) Shay Given Prem Apps: 440 CS: 115
9) Mark Schwarzer Prem Apps 504 CS: 149
10) David James Prem Apps 572 CS: 170

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 8:38

compelling and rich wrote:
Stella wrote:Who's saying their bad? Top 15 would be fine for JJ.

JJ has shown how good a keeper he has been for a long long period, too old now but was always a reliable keeper and thats one of the best compliments you can give a keeper. not to mention he didnt have the greatest defences in front of him that others did. id rather have jj at his best than reina

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Musnt.................bite............musn't................bite.

At United, you would rather have JJ then Riena?  Shocked 

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 8:51

So, its just peak? Cos Reina's peak was very good, but it was matched with being as cack as your use of kac.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 8:55

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:So, its just peak? Cos Reina's peak was very good, but it was matched with being as cack as your use of kac.

No, this is a Top Ten Prem goalies of all time in mediocre form list  Doh

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 8:58

I have no problem with your list by the way, but its hardly some groundbreaking wonder. Basically, you've gone all Liverpool and been offended cos someone you like isnt as high up as you want.

And Reina wasn't even on mine, guy never had the required consistency and got replaced about two seasons later than he should have been

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Post by westisbest Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 9:01

Hmm, no Bozzie on that list.
 
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Post by Stella Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 9:08

JJ always looked a bit flappy when I saw him. Fergie nearly signed him apparently, but felt better of it.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 9:11

His track record on goalkeepers is sublime or ridiculous to be fair

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Post by Stella Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 9:16

Chris

Did Ludo play in the EPL? He was a good keeper.
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 9:48

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I have no problem with your list by the way, but its hardly some groundbreaking wonder. Basically, you've gone all Liverpool and been offended cos someone you like isnt as high up as you want.

And Reina wasn't even on mine, guy never had the required consistency and got replaced about two seasons later than he should have been

Please.............. Three time golden glove winner and Riena has to be the best distributor of the ball since the great Dane. He is a big team keeper.

Gone all Liverpool?  Erm 

In response to you or the other fella? My mine grape is with JJ being held in higher esteem then Riena. That is all.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 9:54

Little bit over the top if its basically one disagreement! I also would take JJ over the course of the Prem than Reina.

Reina had too much crud mixed in with his good. Liable to mistakes too often for a very good keeper, had a short peak. His peak definitely better than JJ, but Bosnich's peak would get him on the list (damn Charlie) and James' peak would push him higher (damn video games!)

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Post by compelling and rich Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 10:06

reina had a few good years behind a pretty good defence, the years between he's been very inconsistent with plenty of errors. very poor at coming for crosses and flaps at a lot. liverpools zonal marking used to be criticized for why Liverpool were conceding so many goals from set pieces but very few mentioned reinas reluctance to come off his line if the area was crowded, plenty of headers 5/6 yards out went in. seriously lacked the physicality to be the highest tier keeper.

plenty of people me included wont have listed reina, yet a liverpool fan disagrees with us. surprise surprise. JJ consistentency, especially at bolton where he was often superb gets him in front of reina for me

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Post by westisbest Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 10:25

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Little bit over the top if its basically one disagreement! I also would take JJ over the course of the Prem than Reina.

Reina had too much crud mixed in with his good. Liable to mistakes too often for a very good keeper, had a short peak. His peak definitely better than JJ, but Bosnich's peak would get him on the list (damn Charlie) and James' peak would push him higher (damn video games!)
 
Now your talking Dolph.
 
Bozzie was a top keeper. Ruined when he left us.

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Post by Born Slippy Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 10:56

Surely big Neville Southall should be in a top 10? His best years were pre premiership but he was still an exceptional keeper in the early to mid 90s. Tim Flowers would make a top 10 as well for me. Excellent for Blackburn in their title season.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 10:57

Ive got Flowers in, not big Nev. Always thought Flowers was underrated

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Post by compelling and rich Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:02

i forgot about flowers, great keeper would make my top ten

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Post by Stella Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:04

Has anyone picked Joe hart?
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Post by compelling and rich Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:05

Stella wrote:Has anyone picked Joe hart?

2 good seasons isnt enough, pretty shaky since those first two

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:09

compelling and rich wrote:reina had a few good years behind a pretty good defence, the years between he's been very inconsistent with plenty of errors. very poor at coming for crosses and flaps at a lot. liverpools zonal marking used to be criticized for why Liverpool were conceding so many goals from set pieces but very few mentioned reinas reluctance to come off his line if the area was crowded, plenty of headers 5/6 yards out went in. seriously lacked the physicality to be the highest tier keeper. plenty of people me included wont have listed reina, yet a liverpool fan disagrees with us. surprise surprise. JJ consistentency, especially at bolton where he was often superb gets him in front of reina for me

Alot a generalities in that statement which are not true.

Lacked the physicality Laugh, couldnt take you seriously after that.

You dont get 134 clean sheets in 285 (especially after 'two bad years') and be rated lower the Jussi.

In these 134 clean sheets did teams not have shots on target or put crosses in the box Laugh

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Post by Stella Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:11

Kevin Pressman was damn good for a couple of season, for Sheffield Wednesday. Not a top 10, thanks to longevity, but a man who was worth a mention.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:15

Fine, Reina is the best goalkeeper of all time, other than whatever other Liverpool goalkeeper is probably better cos Liverpool just win the world.

Its what you are thinking anyway, you'll have to ask someone else if its what I actually wrote or just your Scouse minding seeing what it wants again

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:33

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Fine, Reina is the best goalkeeper of all time, other than whatever other Liverpool goalkeeper is probably better cos Liverpool just win the world.

Its what you are thinking anyway, you'll have to ask someone else if its what I actually wrote or just your Scouse minding seeing what it wants again

Yer thats cos I have two former Man U number 1's ahead of Riena.

Am not the one with the problem here, am not resorting stereotypical insults.

I made a point of JJ being at number 3 in his list. Isn't this what a forum is for, stating opinions and debating?

If you think JJ is better then Riena, fair enough. But the questions araises why didn't other big clubs snap this keeper up when he was in his pomp?



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Post by compelling and rich Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:41

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Fine, Reina is the best goalkeeper of all time, other than whatever other Liverpool goalkeeper is probably better cos Liverpool just win the world.

Its what you are thinking anyway, you'll have to ask someone else if its what I actually wrote or just your Scouse minding seeing what it wants again

Yer thats cos I have two former Man U number 1's ahead of Riena.

Am not the one with the problem here, am not resorting stereotypical insults.

I made a point of JJ being at number 3 in his list. Isn't this what a forum is for, stating opinions and debating?

If you think JJ is better then Riena, fair enough. But the questions araises why didn't other big clubs snap this keeper up when he was in his pomp?



could easily say that about VDS when he was at fulham for all those years. and he's in most peoples top 3

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Post by Stella Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:43

Fergie wanted VDS but had already signed Bosnich. This was of course before VDS went to Fulham. Difference between VDS and JJ is, VDS did get snapped up.
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:44

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Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Fine, Reina is the best goalkeeper of all time, other than whatever other Liverpool goalkeeper is probably better cos Liverpool just win the world.

Its what you are thinking anyway, you'll have to ask someone else if its what I actually wrote or just your Scouse minding seeing what it wants again

Yer thats cos I have two former Man U number 1's ahead of Riena.

Am not the one with the problem here, am not resorting stereotypical insults.

I made a point of JJ being at number 3 in his list. Isn't this what a forum is for, stating opinions and debating?

If you think JJ is better then Riena, fair enough. But the questions araises why didn't other big clubs snap this keeper up when he was in his pomp?


could easily say that about VDS when he was at fulham for all those years. and he's in most peoples top 3

Yer, not like he was at Ajax or Juventus before hand, winning the Champions League and numerous other titles aswell.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 11:55

However, that Bosnich mistake outlines how precarious transfers and judgments can be. Howard would be seen as a bad Man United transfer, yet hindsight has helped us see hes a very good 'keeper. Bosnich was a mistake.

Schwarzer only got his move come the end of his career, James never made it big, Martyn was always the bridesmaid, Given and Friedel outside the major competitors.

Reina has nowhere near enough longevity. Jaaskelainen made the most saves in the league last year. Now, your argument will be West Ham let their opponents have a lot of shots. And I would argue two things:

1) Reina kept more clean sheets due to being in a better side.
2) Jaaskelainen did his most basic job principle exceedingly well for his team.

Reina saved 71% of shots he faced last year. JJ 77%.

Who do I think, in his career, has been more vital to their team? Jussi at Bolton then West Ham for a lot longer or Reina at Liverpool? My answer is quite clear from my list.

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Post by Stella Tue 18 Feb 2014 - 12:03

Stats and goalkeepers go together like marmite and beetroot. Also, IMO, playing for a top 6 club for a number of years counts for something. Being number one at Bolton and West Ham, isn't quite the same.

I do though respect the fact that you've seen JJ more than me (telly only).
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