Who is to blame at Man Utd?

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Last night saw a new low point at Manchester Utd, a 2-0 defeat to Olympiacos in the last 16 of the Champions League. This follows a season where they're adrift in the Premier League, a league in which they've not finished lower than 3rd in over 20 years. Out of both domestic cups and unless a miracle occurs in 3 weeks at Old Trafford in the return leg and the season is over.
But who's to blame for the state Utd are in?

Moyes?
He took on a title winning side, yes it was ageing but it was a side that knew how to win, it had belief and knew how to grind out results when it was having a bad day at the office.

The Glazers?
The fans have never been enamoured with the owners, the debt that they brought to the club and years of reconciling that combined with payouts to them whilst City and Chelsea spent big money to surpass them with squad strength.

Ed Woodward?
He got on a plane in the summer to tie up a huge deal, 4 weeks later on deadline day we paid over the odds for Fellaini, is the fact we didn't strengthen in clearly lacking areas his fault?

Sir Alex Ferguson?
He got out at the right time, he named his heir successor and he left a squad with guys that would struggle to get into lesser sides such as Cleverly, Smalling, Buttner etc whilst others such as Young, Nani, Valencia all look shadows of what they were built up to be when originally signed.

The players?
Last night they looked apathetic, clueless and passionless. This was a last 16 game in the CL, not a pre-season friendly yet they appeared to be turning up for their £300k a week (in Rooney's case) salary to get outperformed by what many considered the weakest side left in the competition. Utd do not have a golden right to win games, but the team themselves needs to look at their desire to succeed.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I dont think Mourinho was Ferguson's actual choice and I think you're taking some reports out of complete context.

Mourinho would have been the better, safer short term choice, but Manchester United want to hold themselves above antics like his and I respect them for that

As opposed to the dignified, morally upstanding and restrained behaviour of that noble knight of the realm, Sir Alex Ferguson, over the last umpteen years.

We all know how Sir Fergie of Govan always had the utmost respect for refereeing decisions, never questioned or abused authority and conducted himself with discretion and decorum at all times.

Of course Manchester United wouldn't want to associate themselves with Maurinho, a cad and a bounder who indulges in dastardly practices such as playing mind games.... something the sainted Sir Alex would never stoop to.  Goodness, no.

How we miss his sunny, smiling countenance and those witty, joyous post match interviews where never a cross word was spoken.  And they were so cheerfully given despite the nasty things said about his offspring in BBC documentaries about corruption in football.   He is famed for his magnanimity and willingness to let bygones be bygones. It could never be said that he ever held a grudge.

No, it is quite right and proper that Manchester United should distance themselves entirely from a rotter like Maurinho.  

So.... when do you reckon he'll get the job....?

I reckon Jose is at Chelsea for the long run - Outside of the Portuguese national team, there really is no challenge left for him. League title in four different countries. Won the mini Treble (UEFA cup) in Portugal, the the league Europe double the next season. Won the treble proper with Inter. Outside of maybe creating a Cinderella story with a second division side bankrolled by a billionaire - there's really nothing I see moving Mourinho....

Also, he was always gonna come back to Chelsea... It was written in the prophecy, aka Daily Mail.

I am a BIG Chelsea & Mou fan. But even I think that if an offer was made, he might have accepted it.
Although he said he would come back to Chelsea, which is true, because he loves the club, but he could just as easily have joined the Red Devils.
He likes them. Just because they are a big rival of Chelsea for the past decade doesn't mean he hates United. He has immense respect for the club, what they achieved as well as their legendary ex-boss SAF.

@The Fourth Lion, He won't come to Man United after coming back to Chelsea. No way. They could have 'chosen' him in the first place. I mean we all know how how fergie got out the from his players.
Mourinho himself isn't that bad a motivator. His former players have stated how they felt like a family under him. How he watched their backs.

Maybe he could have got the best out of the United players too... Maybe they would have been, say, 2, 3 pts behind leaders city, or liverpool.

But this woulda..s shoulda doesn't matter anymore. Moyes is a good manager, but not capable enough for a team like United. They chose the wrong man and now are paying the price for it. I mean, let's admit it- We expected them to be there or thereabouts in the race for top-4. 3rd, 4th at worst. But 7th?! No way!

But as they say in our beautiful city Boston: Commit the crime, Do the Time

If United could have signed Jose and instead went with Moyes that is a monumental error of judgement. I am not a Jose fan in anyway. But I don't doubt the man is winner, he is also an arrogant manager who plays a generally negative style of football. Good post Pierce, I don't think Jose would leave now after investing time and energy in the Chelsea project again.

The Fourth Lion wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I dont think Mourinho was Ferguson's actual choice and I think you're taking some reports out of complete context.

Mourinho would have been the better, safer short term choice, but Manchester United want to hold themselves above antics like his and I respect them for that

As opposed to the dignified, morally upstanding and restrained behaviour of that noble knight of the realm, Sir Alex Ferguson, over the last umpteen years.

We all know how Sir Fergie of Govan always had the utmost respect for refereeing decisions, never questioned or abused authority and conducted himself with discretion and decorum at all times.

Of course Manchester United wouldn't want to associate themselves with Maurinho, a cad and a bounder who indulges in dastardly practices such as playing mind games.... something the sainted Sir Alex would never stoop to.  Goodness, no.

How we miss his sunny, smiling countenance and those witty, joyous post match interviews where never a cross word was spoken.  And they were so cheerfully given despite the nasty things said about his offspring in BBC documentaries about corruption in football.   He is famed for his magnanimity and willingness to let bygones be bygones.  It could never be said that he ever held a grudge.

No, it is quite right and proper that Manchester United should distance themselves entirely from a rotter like Maurinho.  

So.... when do you reckon he'll get the job....?

But he wouldnt gouge at someones eye from behind them.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

The Fourth Lion wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I dont think Mourinho was Ferguson's actual choice and I think you're taking some reports out of complete context.

Mourinho would have been the better, safer short term choice, but Manchester United want to hold themselves above antics like his and I respect them for that

As opposed to the dignified, morally upstanding and restrained behaviour of that noble knight of the realm, Sir Alex Ferguson, over the last umpteen years.

We all know how Sir Fergie of Govan always had the utmost respect for refereeing decisions, never questioned or abused authority and conducted himself with discretion and decorum at all times.

Of course Manchester United wouldn't want to associate themselves with Maurinho, a cad and a bounder who indulges in dastardly practices such as playing mind games.... something the sainted Sir Alex would never stoop to.  Goodness, no.

How we miss his sunny, smiling countenance and those witty, joyous post match interviews where never a cross word was spoken.  And they were so cheerfully given despite the nasty things said about his offspring in BBC documentaries about corruption in football.   He is famed for his magnanimity and willingness to let bygones be bygones.  It could never be said that he ever held a grudge.

No, it is quite right and proper that Manchester United should distance themselves entirely from a rotter like Maurinho.  

So.... when do you reckon he'll get the job....?

But he wouldnt gouge at someones eye from behind them.

no he would just kick a boot at his own players face cutting their head open.

kicking a boot in anger really as bad as trying to blind someone?