England or Ireland - who is the better team?

by GunsGerms Tue 18 Mar - 15:56

First topic message reminder :

Both team had key injuries to top class players so that isnt a factor.

Both teams were involved in the Lions tour so fatigue doesnt figure.

Despite the media's obsession with age the majority of Ireland's best players are all quite young.

England are ranked 4th and Ireland 5th and they beat Ireland by 3 points in Twickers but Ireland won the championship.

Not next year, not last year, right now the question is who is the best team?

by Breadvan Thu 20 Mar - 10:44

rodders wrote:
fa0019 wrote:They sung GSTQ before every lions test right up to 1989. When did they become known as the British & Irish lions?? 2001 I think.

It is right that its called the British and Irish lions now and perhaps it should have changed earlier but at the time of creation and for a long while after, the name was suitable.

Yeah they were rebranded as the B&I Lions in 2001 at the behest of Keith Wood and Donal Lenihan.

Thank god they ditched that better together anthem they used in 05 through.

The power of four? Which version tho, Frankie, Jennifer rush or Huey Lewis? Tough choices....

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 20 Mar - 11:04

Well I think its quite evident form all the above it shouldve been called the United Lions since we all get on so well Rolling Eyes

by **Notch** Thu 20 Mar - 11:08

Things change, and the name 'British Lions' should have changed a long, long time before it did. It's a good thing for Irish Rugby, on the whole, but it needs to be recognised as an equal partnership between the two nations and four countries.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 20 Mar - 11:14

Equal as in the Irish get half despite being 3/4 of one of 4 Unions?
Or equal as in the English just tell everyone what to do?
Or equal as in one token Scott except hes ruined his reputation by getting a silly red card?

by TopHat24/7 Thu 20 Mar - 11:30

Most people just call it the 'Lions Tour' anyway, so why can't we just drop the B&I stuff all together?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 20 Mar - 11:33

Sam Warburton wouldnt like it f you dropped the Britrish

by GunsGerms Thu 20 Mar - 11:34

TopHat24/7 wrote:Most people just call it the 'Lions Tour' anyway, so why can't we just drop the B&I stuff all together?

Sounds like a good idea.

by beshocked Thu 20 Mar - 11:47

Notch wrote:Things change, and the name 'British Lions' should have changed a long, long time before it did. It's a good thing for Irish Rugby, on the whole, but it needs to be recognised as an equal partnership between the two nations and four countries.

I thought we already concluded from this thread that we are not equal, we are better than you. Whistle

That's just the English. Combine the Welsh and the Scots with the English......

England could have the two English born Welsh wingers in the starting XV...... Rest of the "Welsh" would be the cheerleaders led by Sam Warburton of course with the Scots as the water boys/carriers of the bags. Hug

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 20 Mar - 11:51

beshocked wrote:
Notch wrote:Things change, and the name 'British Lions' should have changed a long, long time before it did. It's a good thing for Irish Rugby, on the whole, but it needs to be recognised as an equal partnership between the two nations and four countries.

I thought we already concluded from this thread that we are not equal, we are better than you. That's just the English. Combine the Welsh and the Scots with the English......

England could have the two English born Welsh wingers in the starting XV...... Rest of the "Welsh" would be the cheerleaders led by Sam Warburton of course with the Scots as the water boys/carriers of the bags.

Hes not Welsh, hes British...and since he captained the last lot it was quite correct to call it the British Lions.

Back on topic anyway yes the English are more better. Especially Tuilagi and the Vunipolas chin

by lostinwales Thu 20 Mar - 11:51

beshocked wrote:
Notch wrote:Things change, and the name 'British Lions' should have changed a long, long time before it did. It's a good thing for Irish Rugby, on the whole, but it needs to be recognised as an equal partnership between the two nations and four countries.

I thought we already concluded from this thread that we are not equal, we are better than you. That's just the English. Combine the Welsh and the Scots with the English......

England could have the two English born Welsh wingers in the starting XV...... Rest of the "Welsh" would be the cheerleaders led by Sam Warburton of course with the Scots as the water boys/carriers of the bags.

I think Sam Warburton would be too busy in his new specialised role testing medical facilities.

by TopHat24/7 Thu 20 Mar - 12:39

How long are Wales going to be without 1/2p and Warburton?

Massive losses there.

by Scratch Thu 20 Mar - 15:19

Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
fa0019 wrote:It was the British Lions because it started before Irish independence. It wasn't a big deal then.

But it represented the United Kingdoms of Britain and Ireland, not just Britain...so should be called the united Kingdoms Lions to avoid upsetting the Irish.

No we are happy enough just to have more Irish Lions than English ones on the last couple of tours.
Guns, you're like an Irish version of Scratch

Cyril, you are like a less interesting version of Saint

by englandglory4ever Thu 20 Mar - 20:09

I thought Ed Miliband was Ken Dodd's brother.

by **Notch** Thu 20 Mar - 20:36

Scratch wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
fa0019 wrote:It was the British Lions because it started before Irish independence. It wasn't a big deal then.

But it represented the United Kingdoms of Britain and Ireland, not just Britain...so should be called the united Kingdoms Lions to avoid upsetting the Irish.

No we are happy enough just to have more Irish Lions than English ones on the last couple of tours.
Guns, you're like an Irish version of Scratch

Cyril, you are like a less interesting version of Saint

You are both pointlessly slinging mud at each other.

by Feagh McHugh Thu 20 Mar - 20:55

Notch wrote:
Scratch wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
fa0019 wrote:It was the British Lions because it started before Irish independence. It wasn't a big deal then.

But it represented the United Kingdoms of Britain and Ireland, not just Britain...so should be called the united Kingdoms Lions to avoid upsetting the Irish.

No we are happy enough just to have more Irish Lions than English ones on the last couple of tours.
Guns, you're like an Irish version of Scratch

Cyril, you are like a less interesting version of Saint

You are both pointlessly slinging mud at each other.

by **Biltong** Thu 20 Mar - 22:01

I thought you guys would have come to a conclusion on the OP's question by now?

by SecretFly Thu 20 Mar - 22:36

We did..the results are with Accenture Wink

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 20 Mar - 22:38

I've seen some poor articles on here and this is right up there, credit due to the OP.

(I wish we had the star rating on here sometimes......)

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 20 Mar - 22:56

Its not as good as the Steve Walsh mirror one.

I met Ken Dodd this week, he was getting a lifetime achievement award. Like BOD his materials really not what it was but people will always remember him fondly.

by SecretFly Thu 20 Mar - 23:18

Did he tickle you with his stick? Or is that too personal a question? Wink

by Engine#4 Fri 21 Mar - 3:50

England. Slightly. The difference in the championship was a 10 point swing which they would have had if their halfbacks could spot an overlap and take control of the situation 5 metres from the Irish line so I'd say overall - England.

(still voted Ireland though Run

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