Kell Brook v Shawn Porter

Porters destruction of Paulie last night was certainly food for thought.

With Brook being the No.1 contender for Porters IBF strap the fight has been mooted by Matchroom in the recent past.

Can posters see this fight happening or will Kell seek another route?

What other route exactly?

He has taken alternative routes since being Mandatory

So yeh, probably end up fighting Carson Jones.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:What other route exactly?

It's not the first time Kell has been a No.1 contender. He didn't go for it last time, will he want it this time especially given that Porter looked a beast last night.

I'm genuinely interested to know what other route you suggest he takes Strongy?

Either way you'll complain, he faces Porter and you'll say he's being sent as a lamb to the slaughter and if he doesn't it's a clear sign he's ducking.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm genuinely interested to know what other route you suggest he takes Strongy?

Either way you'll complain, he faces Porter and you'll say he's being sent as a lamb to the slaughter and if he doesn't it's a clear sign he's ducking.

Kell can choose not to pursue Porter and continue fighting fringe level contenders. Maybe he never goes for a belt unless he's a clear favourite.

I haven't made this an Eddie thread but you seem to want to. This is a straight forward boxing question. I think Porter looks better than Brook but Brook is talented. It would be a big fighter and would put Kell's ability to the ultimate test. Can he deliver on the promise he showed going back to when he turned pro?

It's a more than winnable fight, Porter seems to be getting a reputation as a destructive force based on one fight, he's not shown that power before and it came against an over the hill opponent.

Brook faces him and wins in my opinion, more skilful and quicker.

Porter has beaten fighters that are far superior to anything Brook has climbed into the ring with. You a clairvoyant as well?

Paulie has had some good recent performances and has an iron chin. To get knocked out in 4 rounds is something that doesn't happen to Malignaggi. Broner v Paulie was a very close fight with one very suspect scorecard in favour of Broner.

What part of in my opinion do you not understand?

What gives you the impression I don't understand your opinion?

Seem like attitude from you for the sake of it.

Why run from Porter?? Because he battered Paulie?? Good luck to Brook, hope he does the business and gets that shot....

If Kell does not force this fight then the respect is gone. He is mandatory which means even if Porter tries to dodge him he can't unless Brook takes some step aside money.

Porter will want a big name following this result and Brook is still not a big enough name to fill a big arena state side.

Porter beats Brook for me. He'll make Brook work for 3 minutes a round at a pace he won't be comfortable at, if the Carson Jones fight should any weakness it's that Kell struggles under pressure.

Brook isn't a big enough name in Sheffield let alone the bloody UK.

They use Ricky Hattons name as a way to bring in fans (Senchenko)...or he just fights Hatton Jnr.

Failing that, he fights on under cards (Bellew) or beats up part time bar tenders....or struggles with a p4p top 10 in Jones.

Porter via UD or LKO.

I wrote a long response to this, hit send and got logged.

That is annoying.

Agree with hampo, don't think there's much in it speed/talent wise, but since the hatton fight I've been unconvinced by brook's stamina. Think it will be a good fight, as hammy said, porter's shown no signs of being a ko specialist until last night. I think the years caught up with paulie.

For all brook comes across as a t*sser, when his legs went against jones in the first fight, he shipped plenty of leather without flinching. Porter on points, but brook has a chance.

Basically I've said Porter was all wrong for him since before the Paulie fight. Brook - like Paulie - prefers to stand off and box. He's better than Paulie, more power anyway, but Porter is excellent at bull rushing opponents and difficult to stop coming in and making you fight his fight.

He's got a neck like a waistline and can absorb a shot. I still feel he'd come a cropper against a big hitter, but he does pick his moments to rush inside behind the jab, and is a massive welter despite only being 5'5. Porter v Thurman is a great fight.

If Brook wants to test himself so he can say he faced the best available and discovered just how good he really is, he should fight Porter. If he is content to make money, he should avoid Porter, because he will lose painfully.

Although Porter looked very god last night I don't think Brook should be afraid of him and it's definitely a winnable fight

Malignaggi has done alright for himself at 147, but he hasn't actually fought any real welterweights apart from Senchenko. Judah is a past it career lightwelter, Broner is really a LWW or LW and Cano had always campaigned at 140 prior to meeting Paulie.

Malignaggi made the mistake of trying to trade with Porter who was the naturally stronger man, and Paulie landed some good right hands but he was never going to hurt a natural welter. If Brook landed the same types of right hands then Porter won't be so inclined to just plough through Brook like he did Paulie.

Look forward to it, think Brook may be able to keep him on the outside for long enough periods to get a points win. He needs to clinch when Porter does get inside and use his own strength as brook is a very big welterweight and can punch like a welterweight

Brook stopped the equally tough Senchenko just as impressively and the fight will boil down to who can dictate the pace. Brook has been able to fight at his pace against fighters below him just like Porter has been able to throw more against fighters with no power.

There's no certainty that the fight is fought with a high output because Porter may become reluctant to throw when he tastes Brooks power or it might not bother him. With both never fighting at the highest level it's a tricky fight to predict.

Diaz had him backing up, porter looks better going forward. Good allround skill set though. Seems a decent guy too, shame he's not British and brook isn't American. Probably won't  happen anyway brook will get an injury or want a warm up or his gran will be ill or something.

It's one those kind of fights that I look forward, no idea what to expect.

Brook likes to dictate the pace, against Porter that won't happen. Could see Brook taking a lot of punishment before tiring late on. Will be surprised if it happens.

Porter looks like a good inside fighter. Carson Jones hurt Brook on the inside, I would expect Porter to be even more effective up close.

Brook would have to make it a boxing match rather than a fight. The intrigue for me lies in whether Brook can raise his game, he has the talent but can he deliver on it.

The fight is basically signed, you guys know this don't you?

Eddie has already tweeted that the fight is on basically, Kell was his mandatory but Porter got an exemption on it to have a voluntary against Malignaggi before that, now he has to fight Kell or gets stripped of his title.

Brook has never run away from an opponent, they said no to Bradley due to the money and options that were on the deal, they went down the route to get him a mandatory position and then Alexander pulled out because he thought he was going to get Mayweather let's not forget. Then he got injured in the run up to it and couldn't fight him.

He then took a comeback fight against Senchenko, and has waited for his mandatory position to come into effect with the coming fight now against Porter.

He gets slated for doing anything, even rematching Carson Jones, but plenty of people after the first fight said that if they fought again they reckoned Jones would win, but then fighting him again he gets slated. He gets slated for getting injured, something he cannot help. He gets slated for getting messed around with boxing politics, of which he cannot help. He gets slated for being a no name, however he has shifted 10,000 tickets before. If Brook was some African fighter without a big promoter, or black American fighter from the 50's you'd all be cooing over him saying how unlucky he was and how tough it is to break it in boxing etc. But no he's British, so he gets slated. I hope that Brook smashes Porter into next Tuesday as he is from a part of the world as to which I am very close to.

Thanks.

Don't see any reason why Brook and Hearn would suddenly want to step off the IBF path. If you think Brook's a bit of a laughing stock now, that'll be nothing compared to how he'd be viewed if all of a sudden he and Hearn decided to pass up on their mandated challenge.

The IBF title has basically dictated every move in Brook's career over the past two years. They turned down a shot at Bradley because they had their hearts set solely on "the IBF route." He's fought three bleedin' eliminators for the belt. Him and Hearn have mentioned the fact that they're in position to challenge for it at every opportunity.

It seems people are actually a little taken aback that Brook might actually have to fight a decent fighter to win a world title, shock horror! Brook and Hearn know that it's about assessing risk / reward ratios and playing a clever long game....But not to the point of being able to run away from the top operators in your division and still expecting to be taken seriously.

No reason to suggest that the fight won't go ahead, for me. It simply has to.

I can't believe this has turned into a debate as to whether he will actually turn down fighting him or not. Ridiculous.

I remember Kell being on Ringside a couple of months ago and he didn't look over enamored when the prospect of fighting Porter was brought up.

Kell will need to be really disciplined and live like a monk for this one. For me he'll have to bring a good deal more in terms of fitness and desire than he did against Jones.

To be fair to Brook he has brought in a strong team of sports science guys and has actually looked in physically better shape and hasn't really been breathing heavy in any of his other fights since and looked far better in the rematch against Jones which was a good fight as it showed as to how much Brook took from the first fight.

I most certainly think Porter will ask a hell of a lot of questions in the ring and pose a lot of problems for Brook. I make Porter a slight favourite at the moment, although I think Brook is more talented and quicker, Porter's style may just be a little difficult for Brook.

I think some people forget that the Jones fight was two years ago pretty much and he settled the score quite impressively.

In a way Ghosty I think you're right, the fight wasn't close because of Kell's ineptitude to keep Jones off with his power or his skill, it was to do with him not having the best fitness he could have. If that problem IS rectified with the new guys that have been brought in to put Kell into better shape then it in a way nullifies the argument of not being able to deal with pressure fighters as he has shown the correct skills to keep them off him.

However, if it genuinely is the cases of that he just generally doesn't work hard enough in the gym, or that he genuinely just doesn't have the capabilities in his body to go 12 hard rounds then Porter will more than certainly highlight it as they go into the deeper territory.

Alex Thanks for balancing perspectives.

I jumped on the porter bandwagon a bit early. I also rated Alexander, which elevated my view on porter. I knew he was all wrong for mallinaggi though, so that's not to say he'd do anything close to the same to brook. Hatton set up one blue print to beat mallinaggi that porter optimised. Ignore his offence and Jump on him, the leaping left hook was impressive, something I generally only see in mma these days.

Brook although sells more tickets than porter would have to travel to the states I'd guess to satisfy show time. I really hope he gets the fight/ takes the fight, it's time to see what kell is made of. If he gets his stamina right it could be a pick em. Although I suspect porter stops brook late.

The thing is I think he's just got more talent that Porter who like Thurman can look good against a certain style of fighter, someone that fights back and isn't massively outgunned is a different prospect.

Brook might just have stamina problems but if he builds up a decent lead like I think he can it won't be a problem, Porter isn't a brutal puncher despite what last night might suggest.

Think you're the only person that calls me that Alex, gets me a bit confused.

AlexHuckerby wrote:The fight is basically signed, you guys know this don't you?

Eddie has already tweeted that the fight is on basically, Kell was his mandatory but Porter got an exemption on it to have a voluntary against Malignaggi before that, now he has to fight Kell or gets stripped of his title.

Brook has never run away from an opponent, they said no to Bradley due to the money and options that were on the deal, they went down the route to get him a mandatory position and then Alexander pulled out because he thought he was going to get Mayweather let's not forget. Then he got injured in the run up to it and couldn't fight him.

He then took a comeback fight against Senchenko, and has waited for his mandatory position to come into effect with the coming fight now against Porter.

He gets slated for doing anything, even rematching Carson Jones, but plenty of people after the first fight said that if they fought again they reckoned Jones would win, but then fighting him again he gets slated. He gets slated for getting injured, something he cannot help. He gets slated for getting messed around with boxing politics, of which he cannot help. He gets slated for being a no name, however he has shifted 10,000 tickets before. If Brook was some African fighter without a big promoter, or black American fighter from the 50's you'd all be cooing over him saying how unlucky he was and how tough it is to break it in boxing etc. But no he's British, so he gets slated. I hope that Brook smashes Porter into next Tuesday as he is from a part of the world as to which I am very close to.

Thanks.

And exhale

Did my master's in Sheffield Alex. Fine city.   Now we've got that out of the way, How's the job with kel's pr agency going?

He's had a bit of bad luck, but they haven't wanted to take any risks with him, so his path to a title has been tortuous... And you can't blame it all on politics. Some would say turning down a title fight because of the money is running away. Whichever, despite his charisma bypass and Keith lemon impression, I do think he can fight and will look forward to this match up if its confirmed.

Hey I don't think Brook's a ducker, but modern prospects are...well managed. I think Brooks a good fighter by all means. However he will lose. No shame if he does.

I remember there was some chat about Kell having issues with making welter and he may go up to light middle. I wonder where that stands.

Apparently Porter has said he will not come to the UK so the fight would be Stateside.

I think lots of good fighters in and around WW are harshly judged due to mayweather being so good and unbeaten. I also think fighters are harshly written off as hype jobs when they are beat, for instance broner is a good fighter...hes not a hype job. I also rate Devon Alexander.

Kell Brook is good but Porter Will beat him, he was a good amateur and has a wealth of experience as Pacquiao sparring partner. He has a number of attributes, which I outlined on the other thread that bode well for him.

Brooke likes to fight at his own pace, similar to Rigo and Mayweather, however I feel he'll be unable to dictate (slow) the pace, like those two do, against world level operators.

No one is saying that Brook is ducking anyone. However Boxing is a business and Hearn knows that the worst possible scenario for Brook is going in as a big underdog against a relatively unknown, but very good, fighter. If a chance emerges to take a different route you can bet that Hearn will be considering it.

I agree with chris, Hearn needs to be seen to go after the porter fight, be willing to travel, take a max 25% of the purse, what ever it takes really. Brook has had too many "final" eliminators already.

Personally I thought he should of taken the Bradley fight when offered. If he'd have won, how bad could the contract terms have been? Hearn has done some sterling match making with some of his stable that seem to have a lot less skill than brook. From the outside it looks as if he's been looking for a soft belt. I think brook is better than that.

One other think to point out was that for the first five rounds of the first Jones fight Brook fought impressively. But he did think he could just blast him out early. He was naïve and then gassed. however as some have alluded to he took some big shots and came through it. He then took the rematch and won with a lot to spare. I feel he learnt a lot from that fight.

He might well end up losing to Porter but I don't think it will be one sided or that Brook is useless. It should be a decent fight and one that I look forward to.

I for one am hoping this fight is signed, sealed and on. I have become genuinely disinterested in Brook since he fought his 3rd eliminator; prospects are supposed to fight for titles!! I know it's mostly not his fault that the title shots weren't realised, but he has been treading water for the past couple of years, which won't do his confidence and ringcraft much good.

As stated above, as a Brit, I hope he wins. I would like to see him show that his so-called talent is the real deal. I am yet to be convinced though. In my opinion, he only seems to be about 80% committed to his boxing career (not training hard enough). I hope he can prove me wrong, but he had better do it decisively.

I've lost all confidence that Brook actually wants to step and take a risk.

If there is some cancellation/steer away from Porter for whatever reason from Brook's side I won't be at all surprised.

If for example he gets injured he's going to be crucified. When in reality, that's just unlucky and not his fault.

I understand that but if he does suffer an injury I will think he's putting it on.

If it happens, I'll cheers him on against anyone but don't think he would be willing to fight Porter.

Not sure the destruction of Malignaggi tells the whole story. Porter's overall record hardly shows him as being a knockout artist.

I see some people are slating Brook for being mandatory before but not following up. By my recollection he suffered injuries which prevented him from doing so immediately. Is anyone here in a position to comment on their legitimacy?

Sure gets a lot of crap on here old Kell.........

Things haven't worked out well for him with injuries at the wrong time the Alexander debacle was most unfortunate..

Why not go for Porter..I don't see anything special..

He can punch but he's not the finished article............

I'd give Kell a good shot..

Shawn Porter vs Kell Brook officially ordered by IBF, fight due in July.


Shawn Porter will indeed have to defend his IBF welterweight title against Kell Brook by July 19, as was known by both Porter and Paulie Malignaggi when they signed for their fight this past weekend, which Porter won impressively via fourth round TKO.

Porter (25-0-1, 14 KO) was granted an exception and allowed to face an optional challenger even though Brook (32-0, 22 KO) already had mandatory challenger status. All parties signed off on the agreement, so this is hardly Porter getting blindsided.

The IBF officially notified Porter and his team of the fight following his win:

"The IBF granted Golden Boy Promotions an exception to regulations for the Porter vs. Malignaggi fight. One of the conditions of the exception is that the winner must fight the leading available contender within 90 days. The leading available contender is No. 1 Kell Brook. ... Negotiations should commence immediately and be concluded by May 21, 2014. In the event that you are unable to come to an amiable agreement with Brook, the IBF will call for a purse bid."

This means that the sides have about a month to get the fight done, which isn't much time, but again, everyone knew this was going to come up. Golden Boy does have a pay-per-view on July 12, headlined by Canelo Alvarez vs Erislandy Lara, and given the fact that Porter took no punishment at all against Malignaggi, he could turn around that quickly and be back in the ring. One figures the Brook camp must be ready to go.

If Porter were to try to take another fight, he would be stripped of the IBF title. If Brook were to do the same, he'd have his status as mandatory challenger revoked, and Porter would then be ordered to face the next-best available contender -- or next-highest ranked, anyway.


http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/4/22/5639032/shawn-porter-vs-kell-brook-officially-ordered-by-ibf-fight-due-in-july

Fingers crossed. Were they to squeeze it in, it would make the Lara Canelo bill a tasty card

Come on Porter  

3fingers wrote:broner is a good fighter...hes not a hype job.

Massively disagree, think Broner embodies the term hype job to the tee. Steps up, all the fanfare of "the next Mayweather"struggles with Paulie and then gets absolutely ripped apart by a come forward plodder (a very good one but still - Khan dealt with him)

The next Mayweather doesn't struggle with Paulie even at 2 weights above previous.

See, the stuff about Broner above just highlights why you can never win when it comes to talking about or promoting a young fighter.

Here's the thing - Broner IS a good fighter. He's only a complete hype job if you swallowed the whole 'new Mayweather' thing and are comparing him to Floyd directly. But there seems to be a tendency to label youngsters either as the next big thing, or media creations whenever they lose. Why can't it just be that maybe he's a good, but not great, operator at world level who'll probably win some and lose some against the big guns?

If Broner isn't a "good" fighter, then what exactly does someone have to do to get that status? If he's nothing but a hype job, then what is Quigg for instance, seeing as Quigg's a year older but hasn't achieved as much yet or been in there with the same level of opposition? I'm pretty sure most would still describe Quigg as a good young fighter with considerable potential for the future, wouldn't they? So why is Broner suddenly not a good fighter - simply because he's lost?

Calling him the new Mayweather or proclaiming him the pound for pound number one in waiting was premature and going over the top, but there's no need to add to that error by being equally unreasonable in going the other direction. Broner has shown talent in some of his fights and obviously has a fair bit going for him which can still make him a success in the future.

If you want to judge him forever against the "new Mayweather" line then he's never going to be able to impress or win anyone over, but if you judge him by the standards that 99% of other fighters are judged against then he's shown enough talent and form to suggest that he can do something worthwhile with his career if he dedicates himself.