Groves signs with Sauerland

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Annoucned on there Twitter page. I think its a good move for him and prevents the Matchroom monopoly, especially after signing DeGale.
 
Thoughts?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not sure it's a smart move.....Groves wins he becomes British boxing's number 1 star and genuine PPV material...SKY is the place for him and Eddie has the deal with SKY...

No reason Groves can't get 20,000 plus gate per defence and sell loads of PPV..

Eddie may not like him signing for a competitor..

If Groves beats Froch what has Eddie really got left? Even if JDG wins a version of the title it will be Groves that holds all the cards.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Froch loses he retired...Groves is a great investment for Hearn..

Also think he is the best man for GG..

Well looks like Eddie should have been a bit more impartial then.

titaniumjaw wrote:I personally hope he goes to Germany and stays there lol when froch beats him this time what excuse is he gonna come up with for the loss..  His shows were too tight froch a ringwalk was too long froch hit him too hard eddies teeth were too white... Hope fully froch wipes the floor with the ginger whinger and he shuts his mouth

Lee??

Hearn has got Joshua...Who could be the ultimate prize

Don King would have kept options on both fighters.

Groves and Hearn had a lot of back and forths before he agreed to the fight. Maybe bridges were burned.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hearn has got Joshua...Who could be the ultimate prize

You seem to rate him highly Truss, I'm not too sure he looks so slow and flat footed to me and he looks wide open for someone whose actually going to punch back as his often square on. Be interested to know if Joshua was ever chinned in the amateurs.

Cheers

Rodders

Not lee mate just can't stand groves and his constant complaining

Rodney wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hearn has got Joshua...Who could be the ultimate prize

You seem to rate him highly Truss, I'm not too sure he looks so slow and flat footed to me and he looks wide open for someone whose actually going to punch back as his often square on. Be interested to know if Joshua was ever chinned in the amateurs.

Cheers

Rodders

Don't watch much amateur boxing, but googled the same thing a while back.... Dropped by Dellian whyte, I believe Rodney. Got up and fought back but lost. One of his first fights (he was late to boxing, but still a teenager) and one of the first for whyte (an ex kickboxer). Don't know how hurt he was. Whyte is currently unbeaten as a pro.

Cheers Milky, thought i'd take a note to see how Joshua is matched and if Hearn steers him away from any noted punchers, maybe wrong but I have a sense of vulnerabilty around Joshua that the wheels may come off when tagged.

Cheers Rodders

Camarelle is/was known as a particularly heavy-handed amateur and got through to AJ's chin/head a fair bit in the final and couldn't drop him. AJ didn't seem that fazed in fact.

But, alas, we wait and see......

Fact is Joshua doesn't need to be that good..

Bruno would clean up now

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hearn has got Joshua...Who could be the ultimate prize

Joshua is just a novice prospect. If Groves beats Froch then he's the superstar of British boxing, why would he even need Hearn?.

Maybe because he's more likely to be fighting in front of home crowds with a British promoter, the public will soon forget about him when he's fighting in Germany.

Strongback wrote:Don King would have kept options on both fighters.

Groves and Hearn had a lot of back and forths before he agreed to the fight. Maybe bridges were burned.

This is what Groves has been saying...
"Everything for a reason"

He petitioned the IBF to mandate the rematch to avoid exactly that situation. 

Heard him say in an interview it was about making sure Matchroom had no options and he was free afterwards win, lose or draw.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Maybe because he's more likely to be fighting in front of home crowds with a British promoter, the public will soon forget about him when he's fighting in Germany.

Spot on Hammersmith,how many Brits are going to go the expense of travelling to Germany to watch Groves a mini bus load maybe.

rob-glos wrote:

Strongback wrote:Don King would have kept options on both fighters.

Groves and Hearn had a lot of back and forths before he agreed to the fight. Maybe bridges were burned.

This is what Groves has been saying...
"Everything for a reason"

He petitioned the IBF to mandate the rematch to avoid exactly that situation. 

Heard him say in an interview it was about making sure Matchroom had no options and he was free afterwards win, lose or draw.

Exactly this. Groves a) didn't want Froch swanning off to American to try to claim an easy payday & forget about him, and b) didn't want to be tied up to all manner of rematch clauses & options with Hearn, which he would've been had Froch taken him as a voluntary rematch. By getting the IBF to mandate it he put Froch in a position where he'd have to vacate to avoid Groves, which he knew Froch - who thrives on his macho image - wouldn't do. It cost Groves a lot if his own money to petition the IBF and he's now getting a smaller chunk of the purse, but it's a smart move as he's been able to maintain control of his own destiny. Whether he's followed that up with another smart move by opting for Saurland remains to be seen, but there's clearly beef between him & Hearn as there's no doubt MatchRoom would've been the obvious, easiest option for him with the biggest platform.

Nico the gman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Maybe because he's more likely to be fighting in front of home crowds with a British promoter, the public will soon forget about him when he's fighting in Germany.

Spot on Hammersmith,how many Brits are going to go the expense of travelling to Germany to watch Groves a mini bus load maybe.

Very few have a die hard following like Hatton who was travelling to face the biggest names in the sport. I could be wrong but this moves seems all wrong for a British boxer who if he wins would be a big name over here.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Maybe because he's more likely to be fighting in front of home crowds with a British promoter, the public will soon forget about him when he's fighting in Germany.

Spot on Hammersmith,how many Brits are going to go the expense of travelling to Germany to watch Groves a mini bus load maybe.

Very few have a die hard following like Hatton who was travelling to face the biggest names in the sport. I could be wrong but this moves seems all wrong for a British boxer who if he wins would be a big name over here.

I think you'll see Sauerland starting to put on shows over here with the help of some British promoters like Warren, similar to Golden Boy are doing with Ogogo.

Why would Groves even sign now? He could still sign after Froch fight and if he beats Froch and has no promoter he is in a brilliant negotiating position. He is so certain he is going to win, why not wait? Now he has signed an apparent long term deal, to a German based promotional team, with a shot Abraham and Kessler on the horizon.

He'll still get a shot at those guys though, they're under Sauerland and you would think that was part of the negotiations that win or lose he gets a shot at them.

hampo171 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Maybe because he's more likely to be fighting in front of home crowds with a British promoter, the public will soon forget about him when he's fighting in Germany.

Spot on Hammersmith,how many Brits are going to go the expense of travelling to Germany to watch Groves a mini bus load maybe.

Very few have a die hard following like Hatton who was travelling to face the biggest names in the sport. I could be wrong but this moves seems all wrong for a British boxer who if he wins would be a big name over here.

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I think you'll see Sauerland starting to put on shows over here with the help of some British promoters like Warren, similar to Golden Boy are doing with Ogogo.

I can't see it myself Hampo, not sure what the attraction of watching Groves and a bunch of guys nobody will have heard of but such is life.

Perhaps Groves may have had assurances from Sauerland that his fight's will take place in the UK,can't see Groves wanting to fight in Germany all the time, it would be boxing suicide for him.

Groves better not think he is going to fight out there. Would be utter madness to do that. He is a huge star in England, more so if he dusts Froch in hte rematch. Wonder how much money they threw at him to get him to sign.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Maybe because he's more likely to be fighting in front of home crowds with a British promoter, the public will soon forget about him when he's fighting in Germany.

Just because he's signed with Sauerland doesn't mean he's going to be fighting in Germany. Kessler has been with them for years and he doesn't fight out of Germany. Groves' fan base is in this country and that is where he will be fighting. Truth is after seeing the undercard for Groves Froch 2 I wouldn't mind seeing a few Sauerland events in this country. Signing with Europe's premier boxing promoter is hardly a step back, it's not as if Groves will be fighting out of the Blue Water shopping centre anytime soon.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Have always liked GG for this kind of reason, feels like he's his own man, smart, not a puppet, and willing to back himself.

Ge was dropped by his previous promoter who discovered him and got him the Froch fight.. and then went alone for one fight and bargained the deal on a rematch on his own where due to him trying to be smart and force the fight he ended up with less money than his first offer would have given him... and now he has quickly signed with another top European Promoter....

Not sure how that's going alone let alone doing a good job of it...  

Unsurprising comment from the forum's #1 Froch & JdG bumboy.  

Well clearly being a Groves brown noser you appear to be desperate to identify others out there doing it... lol

Are you sure you don't mean that anyone who does not share in the delight of kissing Groves backside is a follower of Satan or something? lol ... e, Degale or Froch.

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Have always liked GG for this kind of reason, feels like he's his own man, smart, not a puppet, and willing to back himself.

Ge was dropped by his previous promoter who discovered him and got him the Froch fight.. and then went alone for one fight and bargained the deal on a rematch on his own where due to him trying to be smart and force the fight he ended up with less money than his first offer would have given him... and now he has quickly signed with another top European Promoter....

Not sure how that's going alone let alone doing a good job of it...  

Unsurprising comment from the forum's #1 Froch & JdG bumboy.  

Well clearly being a Groves brown noser you appear to be desperate to identify others out there doing it... lol

Are you sure you don't mean that anyone who does not share in the delight of kissing Groves backside is a follower of Satan or something? lol ... e, Degale or Froch.

I can't remember Groves being "dropped" by his promoter as you put it, and of course Groves has done a decent job sorting this fight on his own. Hearn tried to stick numerous adds on to the contract and rights to future fights, Groves didn't want that and in the end got his way, he obviously doesn't mind taking less money.

Good on Groves, he obviously knows what he wants and Sauerland have offered him the best chance. Hopefully (fingers crossed,) it could lead to a bit more boxing on freeview as there's no reason that maybe ITV2 etc couldn't bid