2014 Halle

by **laverfan** Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:37 pm

Draw - http://www.atpworldtour.com/Share/Event-Draws.aspx?Year=2014&EventId=500&Draw=ms

Daily Schedule - http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2014/500/mds.pdf

No sign of Nadal or Federer on the schedule for tomorrow (Wednesday) in Singles.

Federer/Chiudinelli v Emmrich/Seppi is on the schedule.

Strange. chin

by naxroy Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:09 pm

federer and nadal play thursday

by lydian Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:56 am

Wow...that's some RG recovery allowance timewise to ensure the marquee names show!

by sirfredperry Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:22 pm

Well, they only have four rounds for the top seeds. Next year, you'll see changes, with Halle and Queen's bumped up to 500-pt tourneys and starting a week later.

by **laverfan** Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:34 pm

Interesting scheduling.

by lydian Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:05 pm

Guess they knew it had to be Thurs starts to attract the big guns to Halle. Nadal must still be cream crackered though. Probably win 1-2 matches, collect the appearance fee and run.

by **laverfan** Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:11 pm

Nadal's last appearance was just one match won, IIRC. He did lose to Kohli in the next match.

by Guest Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:14 pm

Thursday! They start their tourney halfway through the actual tourney!

by lydian Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:20 pm

Indeed, Kohli has already played 2 matches, Nadal none!

by naxroy Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:34 pm

and they will meet again on fruday if nadal beats dustin brown

doubt nadal can win that match against a good grass courter as kohli

by CaledonianCraig Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:37 pm

naxroy wrote:and they will meet again on fruday if nadal beats dustin brown

doubt nadal can win that match against a good grass courter as kohli

I am confused. Erm

Isn't Nadal the favourite for Wimbledon? Or at least one of them so he should be warm favourite to beat Kohlschreiber.

by The Special Juan Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:03 pm

No, Nadal is the favourite and if he loses it's because he's injured. Or something.

by naxroy Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:38 pm

did I say he was favourite for wimbledon?

by **laverfan** Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:50 pm

Nadal being taken to task again. Crying or Very sad

Give him a chance, please!

Dustin played well at W 2013, it should be a good outing for Nadal before he can get to Kohli.

by CaledonianCraig Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:44 am

naxroy wrote:did I say he was favourite for wimbledon?

No not you naxroy. Just those that (on the other thread) are out to claim Rafa as the favourite for Wimbledon - the fact that you see Rafa as vulnerable just echos why all is certainly not cut and dried for him at SW19.

by Josiah Maiestas Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:28 pm

0/7 break points for Fed. Playing like Roddick on clay Run

by lydian Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:59 pm

Amazed Sousa has made such a match of it...must be below par Fed?

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:04 pm

Joao Sousa may have the leading vowel:consonant ratio on the tour.

by The Special Juan Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:07 pm

There is also a Joao Souza. I think they've played each other!!

They haven't, my mistake.

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:23 pm

Pity. It would be fun for the umpire.

by **laverfan** Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:11 pm

The "Old Man" came out today, rather than TMF. The FH and BH were abysmal with errors flowing like tears. My spouse thinks that having the first set of twins, he became ATP #2, and now with four children, he will become a fixture at ATP #4. Laugh

PS: A third set of twins would be Shocked

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by The Special Juan Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:20 pm

Better not have any more then!!

by lydian Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:20 pm

So Fed won nearing the 2hr mark...amazed it went that long with Fed serving at 83% for 1st serves...must mean his ground game was horrible. He'll be feeling his legs on Sunday if he keeps playing for 2hrs daily...

by **laverfan** Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:25 pm

@TSJ.. Quite true. Wink

@Lydian... I would give him credit for trying to keep the points short. At 4-2 in the TB, I was thinking that Sousa would send him home, but the FH winner (and he had SPs too) were frittered away.

Looking forward to Nadal-Brown.

by **laverfan** Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:12 pm

5 TB sets in a row for Lu, next up for Federer. Interesting.

by naxroy Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:51 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
naxroy wrote:did I say he was favourite for wimbledon?

No not you naxroy. Just those that (on the other thread) are out to claim Rafa as the favourite for Wimbledon - the fact that you see Rafa as vulnerable just echos why all is certainly not cut and dried for him at SW19.

he is vulnerable, but he could still be considered favourite in some way, . I dont say he is top favourite, but he is one of the 4-5 names that I think can win there.
let me explain

2007, lost to mahut (106) in third match at queens, and still got to the final at wimbledon and forced a 5th set to a peak roger
2010, lost to feliciano (31) in third match at queens,and still won wimbledon
2011, lost to tsonga (19) in third match at queens and later he got to the final in wimbledon

kohli is 29 right now. so it is normal to think he can beat nadal in a good day. therefore I think nadal is vulnerable, but still think (or wish) he could do good at wimbly, but what can make me think he could have an option?:

despite the last two failures here, one cannot underrate the fact that nadal has reached final in 4 of the last 5 slams, and he is a guy who made 5 finals in this tournament (2006-11)

by DirectView Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:01 pm

naxroy wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
naxroy wrote:did I say he was favourite for wimbledon?

No not you naxroy. Just those that (on the other thread) are out to claim Rafa as the favourite for Wimbledon - the fact that you see Rafa as vulnerable just echos why all is certainly not cut and dried for him at SW19.

he is vulnerable, but he could still be considered favourite in some way, . I dont say he is top favourite, but he is one of the 4-5 names that I think can win there.

I would put it the right way, he is vulnerable but yet could be considered the favorite,

2012, He was a favorite but ended up losing in Round 2 to Rosol , he was a fav but he was vulnerable to big hitters on their day in grass and hence the outcome.

2013, He was a top favorite in 2013 Wimbledon with a long win streak prior to the tournament but yet lost in the 1st to little known Darcis.

So Nadal is favorite but vulnerable at the start of the tournament in grass.

by bogbrush Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:33 pm

A little glimpse of what 90's grass court tennis would look like for Rafa if he played against a good player. Brown is nothing special - and might just as easily blow up - but the pace and bounce kills him.

by The Special Juan Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:40 pm

Brown's another Monfils or Gulbis - could turn up and hammer you 2 and 2 in 45 minutes on the right court. Alternatively, he could himself be hammered 2 and 2 in 45 minutes.

by Gerry SA Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:41 pm

Dustin Brown's used the theory 'hit and hope' well today.

Looks good when it comes off. On another day Brown will dish up close to 40 U/Es

by Guest Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:44 pm

Well if you blinked you would've missed that.

That was superb play from Brown.

by kingraf Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:46 pm

That's lights out tennis - can't touch Brown when he's playing like that. Massively impressive.

by skyeman Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:46 pm

Nadal, Murray. Well, well, well. Djokovich on a sunny beach Very Happy

by bogbrush Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:47 pm

Quite funny play really, Rafa didn't see the joke though.

The difference with a fast low bouncing court is immense though. Wimbledon is now closer to Roland Garros than this place.

by The Special Juan Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:47 pm

I don't think grass is Nadal's surface these days. He could do with a good draw at Wimbledon but as a Murray fan I hope he gets a bad one (in Murray's half though Wink

).

by DirectView Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:03 pm

So is Nadal temporarily injured?

by lydian Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:09 pm

Wimb is nothing like Roland Garros...or else every RG quarterfinalist these past few years would do similar at Wimb...they havent.

Halle has been a joke for Nadal since 2012...he just turns for the massive appearance fee they bribed him with to switch allegiance from Queens. Also, the guy was basically bent over double a few days ago cramping all over the shop, did anyone seriously expect him to turn up just a few days later unadjusted to quick grass and put in a 100% performance? Dream on...he'll be half way to Majorca already having phoned ahead to his mates to get his fishing reels ready for tomorrow. In other words, he wont be losing any sleep, just checking his bank balance.

by bogbrush Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:13 pm

Wimbledon isn't like Roland Garros..... but it is closer to that than Halle.

Did you watch the match? Rafa was a spectator, didn't get the chance to play badly. Fast grass can do that to great slower court players.

by Guest Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:19 pm

Not too surprised, Brown can do that and thats what can happen to Rafa at Wimby in the early rounds, but no disaster as of yet. Murray was surprising too but these two play better in slams

by skyeman Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:22 pm

But for a few, Nadal is the favorite for Wimby Very Happy

by DirectView Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:23 pm

@ BB, Rafa would be humbled bu players like Goran, Krajicek let alone Sampras at 90's conditions

@Flazy21, Brown has beaten Hewitt in a hard court or a grass [not sure which one] but if he did it in grass thats a bigger achievement than this game.

by DirectView Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:26 pm

skyeman wrote:But for a few, Nadal is the favorite for Wimby

Yea and he always will be given his 100% win record on all surfaces when proven fit. picard

Chuck Norris once won a arm wrestling contest versus Rafa but that was only coz Rafa wasn't fully fit and was still trying to be 200% fit by working out 500%.

by skyeman Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:31 pm

DirectView wrote:
skyeman wrote:But for a few, Nadal is the favorite for Wimby

Yea and he always will be given his 100% win record on all surfaces when proven fit.

Chuck Norris once won a arm wrestling contest versus Rafa but that was only coz Rafa wasn't fully fit and was still trying to be 200% fit by working out 500%.

When proven fit Laugh

by DirectView Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:53 pm

skyeman wrote:
DirectView wrote:
skyeman wrote:But for a few, Nadal is the favorite for Wimby

Yea and he always will be given his 100% win record on all surfaces when proven fit.

Chuck Norris once won a arm wrestling contest versus Rafa but that was only coz Rafa wasn't fully fit and was still trying to be 200% fit by working out 500%.

When proven fit

by **laverfan** Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:00 pm

DirectView wrote:@Falzy21, Brown has beaten Hewitt in a hard court or a grass [not sure which one] but if he did it in grass thats a bigger achievement than this game.

W 2013 R64, but lost next round to Mannarino.

by **laverfan** Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:06 pm

I think the September DC tie of SUI v ITA should be played on Grass. Wink

Wawrinka took out Querrey, the Queens champion 2010.

Fognini and Seppi would not like Grass.

by TopoftheChops Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:14 pm

laverfan wrote:I think the September DC tie of SUI v ITA should be played on Grass.

Wawrinka took out Querrey, the Queens champion 2010.

Fognini and Seppi would not like Grass.

Why is this in the Halle thread?

by DirectView Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:16 pm

laverfan wrote:
DirectView wrote:@Falzy21, Brown has beaten Hewitt in a hard court or a grass [not sure which one] but if he did it in grass thats a bigger achievement than this game.

W 2013 R64, but lost next round to Mannarino.

Great I was trying to re-collect that match, beating Hewitt on Wimbledon in a 3 setter is much difficult to beating this Rafa on Halle in 2 sets.

The local crowds will be happy to coz their local hero beat the world no.1, to be frank the best match to lose for Rafa, in my view he timed it perfectly.

by **laverfan** Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:18 pm

TopoftheChops wrote:
laverfan wrote:I think the September DC tie of SUI v ITA should be played on Grass.

Wawrinka took out Querrey, the Queens champion 2010.

Fognini and Seppi would not like Grass.

Why is this in the Halle thread?

Federer and Wawrinka = SUI DC + both playing better than their peers -> Suggestion to SUI organizers. Is that all right, TotC? Hug

by **laverfan** Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:23 pm

DirectView wrote:

Great I was trying to re-collect that match, beating Hewitt on Wimbledon in a 3 setter is much difficult to beating this Rafa on Halle in 2 sets.

A memorable shot, IMVHO. The score line was 6-4, 6-4, 6-7(3), 6-2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMzETqGPA3E

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