Next England Manager?

Apologies if this has been done already...

I have tried to be realistic with the names. I don't think the likes of Rodgers or Mourinho would be interested.

Are some of those serious options?!

We keep what we have. #royhodgsonsbarmyarmy

Onward Hodgson's soldiers, marching to the second round!

Greg Dyke has said Roy is with us for another 2 years.

Duty281 wrote:Are some of those serious options?!

We keep what we have. #royhodgsonsbarmyarmy

Onward Hodgson's soldiers, marching to the second round!

I'll come back to this later.

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Greg Dyke has said Roy is with us for another 2 years.

Yeah, he stays. Can't see any improvement under his management though.

John wrote:

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Greg Dyke has said Roy is with us for another 2 years.

Yeah, he stays. Can't see any improvement under his management though.

I can't see any manager on the above list improving anything either.

We should go back to Sven...three consecutive quarter-finals, a golden age for English football!

Spain might sack Vicente Del Bosque..   

I was thinking Klinsman.

Played in England before.

Did pretty well with germany if memory serves me.

Im not an England fan, so just throwing it out there.

Hiddink's taking over from van Gaal after the World Cup.

What we need is someone like Brendan Rodgers. (i appreciate we'll not get him)

A Young british manager, who plays good attacking football, brings the kids through well, and is ambitious.

We only ever seem to employ aging guys many of who seem out of date with the bang up to the moment football.

The question do we have any managers like that?

Neil Lennons free ;-)

The problem with that Geordie is that it's not that common for Premier League clubs to give them a chance until they've near enough proven themselves and are then realistically out of reach for the England Job for a while.

I also think there's too much blame given to the manager a lot of the time. It's our players that constantly under perform and more should be done to put them under pressure.

Keep Roy until the Euro's see how he does then and if it all goes pear shaped then look for younger manager.

westisbest wrote:I was thinking Klinsman.

Played in England before.

Did pretty well with germany if memory serves me.

Im not an England fan, so just throwing it out there.

The next person to suggest that England get a f*****g GERMAN manager is going to get the toe end of my boots squarely in the 'nads. We claim our players lack any passion or pride in the shirt and yet certain so called fans have the temerity to suggest we cut of our genitals and go begging a diving cheating German coach to get us out of the doldrums. As Captain Mainwaring said to Wilson, "It's a beautiful country, they're not going to get it!"

Not on my watch sonny Jim.

We need a real do-or-die, take it to them, no retreat no surrender, fighting spirit here boys. My vote...CARL FROCH (if only for the fact that we'll get to see his bird at every opportunity)

Brendan Rodgers.

Derbymanc wrote:The problem with that Geordie is that it's not that common for Premier League clubs to give them a chance until they've near enough proven themselves and are then realistically out of reach for the England Job for a while.

I also think there's too much blame given to the manager a lot of the time. It's our players that constantly under perform and more should be done to put them under pressure.

Keep Roy until the Euro's see how he does then and if it all goes pear shaped then look for younger manager.

I appreciate that mate, but i just think we need to maybe get some younger blood in there for a change rather than guys at the end of their coaching career.

I also agree that the manager can only do so much and much is down to the players who lets face it havent been pulling up trees or even looking they could.

Id keep Woy for now.

But i really do think Nigel Clough could work as England manager.

NickisBHAFC wrote:Id keep Woy for now.

But i really do think Nigel Clough could work as England manager.

Considering the managers sacked that you've been outraged by I'd advise the FA to keep Clough away from the England team.

To be honest Nick, if you got him a decent 2nd then he could be alright. Has a good eye for the youngsters coming through and isn't afraid to look at the lower leagues for Gems.

Would need help tactically though.

Try him and Pearce together

Nigel Clough?

May as well have McLaren. He's done a little better at derby since Clough got the sack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/5289630.stm

Remember this great victory? #bringbackmclaren

A little better Stella   I'd check the results they might surprise you (just don't check the play off final one   )

Seriously though, we should do what we started to do with Pearce, get a young manager with a record that suggests they could be very good and start him manageing the U21's. Give him full control and let him actually pick the U21's and get him ready to take over the England team in a few years time.

Let's him get used to the players that are more likely to transfer to the senior squad and allows him and the players to get used to tournaments, then see how it goes from there.

Derbymanc wrote:A little better Stella   I'd check the results they might surprise you (just don't check the play off final one   )

Seriously though, we should do what we started to do with Pearce, get a young manager with a record that suggests they could be very good and start him manageing the U21's. Give him full control and let him actually pick the U21's and get him ready to take over the England team in a few years time.

Let's him get used to the players that are more likely to transfer to the senior squad and allows him and the players to get used to tournaments, then see how it goes from there.

I'm not a massive of Pearce and his touchline antics, but I won't object to your idea.

Roy for now, the next couple of years to see if what he's doing works. There are some signs annd the players seem to be buying in to it.

I think Brendan Rodgers is showing he's a very good manager but it took time to turn round Liverpool, and that's working day in day out with his players. If we think England need turning round (again) he might be the man (if he wanted it) but it would take serious time and probably not get us that much further on from where we are now. At least not without the required fundamental change in the whole coaching set up from kids level all the way up to top flight is sorted from the fabled grassroots level.

So, starting now it'd take (say) 3-5 years to change the fundamentals and then 15 or so years to get the first wave of players through that started at the first rung. Then (and just in time for Blatters final world cup probably...) we could use Rodgers, as by then he'd be the required aging guy the FA suits would want as he would by then probably be out of date with the bang up to the moment football of the day.

And so we'd still eff it up after a further 20 years.

I'm not definitely saying Pearce, just to push someone on in that way. I can't see any of the top English managers leaving their club jobs for one where in the end they're going to get slated because as it stands we're not good enough to finish where a lot of us think we should be.

There needs to be a lot of work done at grass roots to get the youngsters coming through again and something needs to be tried to stop the bigger clubs hoovering up all the youngest talent as half of them are probably ending up on the scrapheap whereas staying with a local club would be a lot better for them.

Atila wrote:

John wrote:

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Greg Dyke has said Roy is with us for another 2 years.

Yeah, he stays. Can't see any improvement under his management though.

I can't see any manager on the above list improving anything either.

Can't see anyone improving England. Turd polishing.

super_realist wrote:

Atila wrote:

John wrote:

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Greg Dyke has said Roy is with us for another 2 years.

Yeah, he stays. Can't see any improvement under his management though.

I can't see any manager on the above list improving anything either.

Can't see anyone improving England. Turd polishing.

This current England team are absolute crap but that doesn't mean we can't get a manager in who will be tactically better thay roy.

If we brought in Klinsmann I believe he would be a massive success, he has proven it with Germany and the USA.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

super_realist wrote:

Atila wrote:

John wrote:

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Greg Dyke has said Roy is with us for another 2 years.

Yeah, he stays. Can't see any improvement under his management though.

I can't see any manager on the above list improving anything either.

Can't see anyone improving England. Turd polishing.

This current England team are absolute crap but that doesn't mean we can't get a manager in who will be tactically better thay roy.

If we brought in Klinsmann I believe he would be a massive success, he has proven it with Germany and the USA.

The English will NEVER agree to a German coach, it goes against every fibre of our self righteous bigoted self obsessed utterly deluded sense of entitlement.

The International game is supposed to be the cream of that nations crop, therefore Managers, Coaches and Players should all come from that Nation.

westisbest wrote:I was thinking Klinsman.

Played in England before.

Did pretty well with germany if memory serves me.

Im not an England fan, so just throwing it out there.

+1. Klinsmann is the man to take this England team forward. Look what he did with Germany, got them playing very attacking (anti German) football and he has really ignited this USA team.

Nachos Jones wrote:

westisbest wrote:I was thinking Klinsman.

Played in England before.

Did pretty well with germany if memory serves me.

Im not an England fan, so just throwing it out there.

+1. Klinsmann is the man to take this England team forward. Look what he did with Germany, got them playing very attacking (anti German) football and he has really ignited this USA team.

Again, I reiterate that the English will never agree to a German manager. It was bad enough listening to the xenophobic mutterings when Capello was given the job. Give Klinsman the job an you can bet your bottom dollar that the Sun's first headline will be the rehashing all the old WWII clichés "Jurgen teaches the English their first lesson.....DIVE..DIVE..DIVE!!"

Can you imagine the internal conflict I we won thw WC under him..."We won the World Cup YESSSSS, but it we had to have a German coach to help us, I feel dirty...."

Best thing us, the antipathy we have for the Germans isn't even reciprocal. Isn't their "old enemy" the Danes or Swedes or someone?

Derbymanc wrote:The International game is supposed to be the cream of that nations crop, therefore Managers, Coaches and Players should all come from that Nation.

The problem with that is that there are almost no English managers in the Premier League and there's no way anyone accepts a Championship or below manager for the national team (or, in many cases, for their Premier League team).

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

super_realist wrote:

Atila wrote:

John wrote:

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Greg Dyke has said Roy is with us for another 2 years.

Yeah, he stays. Can't see any improvement under his management though.

I can't see any manager on the above list improving anything either.

Can't see anyone improving England. Turd polishing.

This current England team are absolute crap but that doesn't mean we can't get a manager in who will be tactically better thay roy.

If we brought in Klinsmann I believe he would be a massive success, he has proven it with Germany and the USA.

Why would Klinsmann demean himself and take a backward move to coach a load of over-hyped deadbeats?

That's a problem lowland, but we should take a Championship manager and mould him into an International manager then. It might open the doors up for more young English managers to get premier league jobs

sportform wrote:Apologies if this has been done already...

I have tried to be realistic with the names. I don't think the likes of Rodgers or Mourinho would be interested.

Seriously?   

I thought you only inluded the likes of Pardew, Shearer, Neville, Clough, Sherwood etc. for a joke...


Roy Hodgson may not have the best record of all possible candidates, but he does have a half-decent track record as an international manager and he seems like a decent man-manager. We've tried all types of managers over the last 20-odd years, British, foreign, friendly types and authoritarians and none of them have worked that well when it came to the crunch.

I think its time we accepted that the PL is NOT the "best league in the world" as so many pundits and players seem to think.

It may be one of the most exciting, due to the breakneck pace games are played at and the number of goal chances created / scored, but that seems to have come at the cost of technical ability, tactical planning / execution and the general awareness / ability of players to think and adapt to situations.

In short, our players may be good enough at domestic level, but fall short on the international stage (the exception being the CL where any shortcomings can be masked by better foreign team mates).

The pool of players England managers have had to work with has steadily shrunk over the years, since the creation of the PL, to the point that just 2 or 3 absences can have a major impact.

This WC I think has showed exactly where we are now in the internatioanl pecking order. We weren't actually THAT bad and competed quite well in all our group games. We weren't a total shambles, but at the same time, we lacked sufficient quality to overcome opponents who themselves were not exactly fearsome.

Its been said by many people, journalists, pundits, FA suits, fans in pubs, but we just need to start getting more eligible players playing first team football on a regular basis and to a higher standard. It probably wouldn't hurt to get some of our players playing abroad.

Many years ago (when I were a lad) we used to have the likes of Chris Waddle, Glen Hoddle, David Platt, Paul Ince, Gary Lineker, Paul Gascoigne, playing overseas. More recent examples include Steve McManaman, Jonathan Woodgate and David Beckham (erm...)

How many of the current England squad would be wanted in Serie A, La Liga, the Bundesliga etc?

When Roy leaves in a few years I'd be tempted to give it to Neville. Between himself and a mixture of very experienced and some new coaches I think it would work. He's not gonna bow down to stars, he's self confident and he's clearly got a reasonably astute mind for tactics.

Other countries have gone for inexperienced but good coaches.

Other than that, I would only want foreign managers who have been reasonably Anglicised. The likes of Wenger, who has been here for years, and probably considers this a home more than France and has done more for our game. I don't mind that. I didnt like Capello getting the job, nor Sven. I'd accept Mourinho or Wenger (for example, I know Mourinho won't) because they have grown a connection with this country.

I also think Wenger would make a good international manager and might be open to it when his time with Arsenal comes to an end.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:When Roy leaves in a few years I'd be tempted to give it to Neville. Between himself and a mixture of very experienced and some new coaches I think it would work. He's not gonna bow down to stars, he's self confident and he's clearly got a reasonably astute mind for tactics.

Other countries have gone for inexperienced but good coaches.

Other than that, I would only want foreign managers who have been reasonably Anglicised. The likes of Wenger, who has been here for years, and probably considers this a home more than France and has done more for our game. I don't mind that. I didnt like Capello getting the job, nor Sven. I'd accept Mourinho or Wenger (for example, I know Mourinho won't) because they have grown a connection with this country.

I also think Wenger would make a good international manager and might be open to it when his time with Arsenal comes to an end.

Yeah - we'd only need to wait 9 World Cups befopre we won!

(sorry - couldn't resist)

I maintain ANY new manager, especially foreign ones (Anglicised or otherwise) would be a gamble.

Gary Neville I suppose could be a good "under the radar" appointment. With an experienced coaching staff and having worked his entire career under Alex Ferguson, as well as his England involvement, it could be the New Direction we need.

dyrewolfe wrote:

sportform wrote:Apologies if this has been done already...

I have tried to be realistic with the names. I don't think the likes of Rodgers or Mourinho would be interested.

Seriously?   

I thought you only inluded the likes of Pardew, Shearer, Neville, Clough, Sherwood etc. for a joke...

Roy Hodgson may not have the best record of all possible candidates, but he does have a half-decent track record as an international manager and he seems like a decent man-manager. We've tried all types of managers over the last 20-odd years, British, foreign, friendly types and authoritarians and none of them have worked that well when it came to the crunch.

They were a little bit in jest. The point was if not Roy Hodgson, then we don't have a great deal of English coaches queueing up after that.

I think we need to invest/ look at how we coach coaches as well as players. I have watched FA qualified coaches take training sessions with kids and they do fancies cone drills but when the games start it just goes straight to kick and run football. Our coaches are still tactically naive.

westisbest wrote:I was thinking Klinsman.

Played in England before.

Did pretty well with germany if memory serves me.

Im not an England fan, so just throwing it out there.

Not only did well with Germany, but is doing well with USA currently.  

Klinnsmann would not only get the best out of the England team as players, but would probably even teach us how to more effectively dive, cheat, connive, pressurise referees and possibly even win the occasional match, too.

Anything could happen.

dyrewolfe wrote:

sportform wrote:Apologies if this has been done already...

I have tried to be realistic with the names. I don't think the likes of Rodgers or Mourinho would be interested.

Seriously?   

I thought you only inluded the likes of Pardew, Shearer, Neville, Clough, Sherwood etc. for a joke...


Roy Hodgson may not have the best record of all possible candidates, but he does have a half-decent track record as an international manager and he seems like a decent man-manager. We've tried all types of managers over the last 20-odd years, British, foreign, friendly types and authoritarians and none of them have worked that well when it came to the crunch.

I think its time we accepted that the PL is NOT the "best league in the world" as so many pundits and players seem to think.

It may be one of the most exciting, due to the breakneck pace games are played at and the number of goal chances created / scored, but that seems to have come at the cost of technical ability, tactical planning / execution and the general awareness / ability of players to think and adapt to situations.

In short, our players may be good enough at domestic level, but fall short on the international stage (the exception being the CL where any shortcomings can be masked by better foreign team mates).

The pool of players England managers have had to work with has steadily shrunk over the years, since the creation of the PL, to the point that just 2 or 3 absences can have a major impact.

This WC I think has showed exactly where we are now in the internatioanl pecking order. We weren't actually THAT bad and competed quite well in all our group games. We weren't a total shambles, but at the same time, we lacked sufficient quality to overcome opponents who themselves were not exactly fearsome.

Its been said by many people, journalists, pundits, FA suits, fans in pubs, but we just need to start getting more eligible players playing first team football on a regular basis and to a higher standard. It probably wouldn't hurt to get some of our players playing abroad.

Many years ago (when I were a lad) we used to have the likes of Chris Waddle, Glen Hoddle, David Platt, Paul Ince, Gary Lineker, Paul Gascoigne, playing overseas. More recent examples include Steve McManaman, Jonathan Woodgate and David Beckham (erm...)

How many of the current England squad would be wanted in Serie A, La Liga, the Bundesliga etc?

I can go back even further, to a time when we had players like Keegan, Brooking and Worthington and didn't even qualify for World Cups.  But at least, at that time, the players concerned were being true to themselves.

You make an astute point though, when you put the Premiership into perspective.  It has become a cash cow for foreign mercenaries who milk it mercilessly and, being the deluded fools that we are, we think this is a great thing because clubs based in England (rather than being English clubs) have won the Champions League four times since its inception in 1992, some 22 years ago.  4 times in 22 years................  

Well worth selling your soul for, eh..?

If we're going back in time, we have to look at how football has evolved on the European continent over the years  (yep, I'm off on one again.  Bear with.)

We never really liked coaches.  I remember reading of an article from the post war era where Tommy Lawton, responding to a question put to him by a journalist, said something like:   "What do we need coaches for?   Do we need some Hungarian schoolteacher to tell me how to head a ball, or to tell Stanley Matthews how to dribble?".   And on a grey November afternoon in 1953, a team of Hungarians, taught by a "school teacher" routed England at Wembley, 6 - 3.  We didn't learn from that then and we're still not learning now.  Perhaps the world cup win of 1966 didn't do us a favour in so much as it perpetuated our belief that merely because we invented the game, we were somehow immune to the changes that happen within it..... that we were special... that the game belonged to us and the rest of the world would make allowances.   If that was what we thought, then we were naïve in the extreme.  

I was at Wembley to see England vs Holland on a freezing winter's evening in 1977  and watched England get systematically dismantled by Cruyff, Rensenbrink, Rep, etc.  On that night, mother England met grown up son.  We lost 0 - 2 and we were lucky to get nil.  It left a mark.

In post war Europe, coaches spread around the continent easily and shared footballing ideas and philosophy amongst each other.  We in Britain remained an insular island race.  We didn't want them and they didn't come.  We're now attempting to redress that balance but it seems we are always one or two steps behind.  By the time we catch up with one idea, the continental teams are forging ahead with the latest innovation and at international level that is enough to ensure that we are never quite good enough to compete with them.   Right now, we can qualify for World Cups and Euros by beating the Macedonias and Moldovas but how long will that state of affairs last...?  As we increasingly distance ourselves politically as well as culturally from Europe those countries, by being at the heart of innovation and change in the game as it happens, are likely to overtake us.   Our isolationist attitudes will ensure we are always be playing catch-up...... and probably with ever decreasing success.

Now, here's a thought...................

Perhaps we should stop trying to be continental.  Perhaps we should simply stick to doing what we do well..?   Perhaps we should revert to a more "English" style of play.  Physical.... muscular.... energetic.  100 MPH football.   Uncomplicated by sophisticated tactics and strange formations we can take opponents on at our terms instead of theirs.

Establish a team that plays 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 and stick with it come what may.   At least the players would know what was expected of them.  We may not dazzle with skill but our opponents will know they've been in a contest.   We may win only half the matches by sheer blood and guts effort, but that would be an improvement on the almost zero return we currently have from attempting to play the top teams at their own game.

And of course, the manager should be English.  A stout Yeoman of good English stock, who understands our game and can get the patriotic hearts beating.  Evoke the names that we all want to follow:  Moore... Charlton.... Keegan... Robson.....Lineker... Gascoigne.  A litany of great Englishmen.  Who wouldn't want to follow them...?

Perhaps it is decision time, as far as our footballing direction is concerned.  I offer the above, not as a personal philosophy, but as an English philosophy.  My personal feelings don't matter.  But I do want England to be, if not successful, then at least competitive.   If we can't be at the heart of Europe, then let's be the nuisance... the irritating mavericks that won't go away.... encroaching in from the fringes and as often as not, bloodying their noses.

Perhaps we should revert to type and show 'em what we're made of.  And find out in the process if they're up for taking it on.

What do you think...?