Pacquiao vs Algieri - 22nd Nov, China

http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacquiao-vs-algieri-serious-talks-11-22--79679

Looks as if though this is happening according to further reports this morning from Algieris promoter. A deal should be struck in the coming days.

How do people feel about this fight?

Algieri seems to be a nice boxer, good skills but no power. He managed to beat the one dimensional Prov but will he have enough to handle the swarm of Pacman even with the diminished power...

I can only see a wide UD for PAC or a late KO.

Not a fight I would have chosen to be fair.

This guy has come from nowhere and now he fights PAC.

What about Keith Thurman who has been smashing up decent names?

What about Khan who has made a good comeback and is a good name and would sell a hell of a lot more?

Hell, I'd sooner see him tested against JMM again then this.

Thoughts?

Would it be at 140? I think it's a big ask for Algieri, flat footed/come forward Prod was one thing but Pac is another challenge all together.

I think Pac will have far too much for him and will get Algieri out of there in 6

I don’t mind this fight, to be honest. At least we’re seeing Pacquiao in there with some new meat. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved the Pacquiao-Marquez series. Great fights, great rivalry. But I think, with both of them on the wane, the idea of them fighting yet again wasn’t as appetising as it used to be.

The land is very uneven with the schism on the Golden Boy / Mayweather / Schaeffer side of things, so right now Arum and Top Rank are still having to make do with the best they have available on HBO, which means guys like Khan and Thurman remain a no-go as things stand.

I wasn’t really surprised that Algieri beat Provodnkov as he’s a very tidy and compact boxer who can move. Likewise, he’ll enjoy Pacquiao coming to him and being aggressive, but Manny shows you a hell of a lot more speed, combination punching and unusual angles than Ruslan does. Despite Algieri’s lack of power I think their styles will mix to make it a pretty enjoyable fight to watch and I don’t think Algieri will be disgraced, albeit I think Pacquiao will win a clear enough decision.

Not looked at the article yet so this might already have been cleared up, but is Pacquiao trimming back down to 140 in accordance with Roach’s wishes to fight for Algieri’s title, or is Algieri moving up to 147?

If Mayweather took this fight, he would be laughed at and called a coward. Joke of a fight

I've heard its for the WBO strap at 147 Chris according to reports.

Yes Adam I agree.

Taking on a guy who beat Provodnikov for a title, isn't much worse than taking on a guy who beat the wrong Hatton for his.

Who are you referring to there King?

Kelly Brook against Senchenko?

Or Alvarez??

mobilemaster8 wrote:Or Alvarez??

Yeah Alvarez..

Alvarez though was/is being touted as a future massive force in boxing.

Algieri was touted as a warm up for Prod.

Bit of a joke really, but could on the lad for getting the opportunity.

Rather strange to have the fight in China

This is a fight to keep Manny busy and winning. Floyd and Manny will eventually fight next year. PPv numbers are falling for them as fans don't care about them fighting anyone else, until they face each other.

It is maybe a few years late, but better late than never.

Derbymanc wrote:Alvarez though was/is being touted as a future massive force in boxing.

Algieri was touted as a warm up for Prod.

Bit of a joke really, but could on the lad for getting the opportunity.

Wasn't Maidana a tune-up for Broner, before he went on to bigger things? I agree though, good on the lad - gets his opportunity, good luck to him. Amazing sport boxing... even the taxman took everything Pac had, the guy would have made $80m+ in the 12 months since

Very true Raf,

That's one of the best things about boxing (groves/Froch too,) is that it can turn on it's head. To be fair I think that whoever either one of the big numpty's faces will forever be a dissapointment to some as they haven't fought the best (ie each other)

I suspect that both Pacquiao and Mayweather expect the other's boxing skills and ability to diminish with age, at a faster rate than themselves.
In my opinion it looks like age is having a more negative affect on Pacquiao. Pacquiao is not as protective of his '0' as Mayweather is, so losing to Mayweather in a couple of years i don't think will bother Pacquiao as he can always say that he was far past his best, whilst cashing in with a significant amount of money.

Mayweather and Pacquaio are running out of opponents. Everyone should boycott any ppv until they face each other. It is a joke that these 2 have not fought at least once in the last 4 years.

In principle yes, everyone should.
However, its too tempting to press record on the Sky box before going to bed on a Saturday night, knowing there is sod all else to watch on a Sunday and the £10 per month boxnation subscription has provided me with repeats all month.

I'd prefer the pair of them to retire now, the whole saga is boring and hurts boxing as a whole. With any luck the pair of them will age badly overnight and be beaten in their next bouts, schedule a match for the pair of them on PPV that does about 200'000 buys as noones interested in watching 2 past it's wheeze around the ring.

Derbymanc wrote:I'd prefer the pair of them to retire now, the whole saga is boring and hurts boxing as a whole. With any luck the pair of them will age badly overnight and be beaten in their next bouts, schedule a match for the pair of them on PPV that does about 200'000 buys as noones interested in watching 2 past it's wheeze around the ring.

Good post. Was a HUGE Mayweather fan but can't defend him anymore. Both these guys are to blame and I will be damned if I am to mention these so called superstars to the real legends like Duran and Leonard and co. Mayweather all the talent in the world, unfortunately he loves low risk and high reward too much to ever truly be compared to the Alis and Durans of this world.

you will have to excuse the grammer of my posts, I'm not drunk, just busy at work and have to be sneaky to go on the internet   

AdamT wrote:If Mayweather took this fight, he would be laughed at and called a coward. Joke of a fight

In fairness, I think we need to get out of this mindset of always comparing every move Manny makes with every move Mayweather makes (and vice versa), or constantly arguing about the respective merits of who they’re fighting in their upcoming bouts.

Between, say, 2009 and 2012, it was understandable because the pair of them were by far and away the two best fighters in the sport pound for pound, and near enough the whole boxing landscape was dominated by a demand for them to fight each other. There’s nothing like the demand for it now and politically we’re further away than ever before from it in any case. Manny’s not being judged by such high standards anymore as well (compare that to Floyd, who still is at that kind of level despite not being at his best against Maidana) due to his gradual decline in the last two or three years, and after the split between promoters and networks became even wider when HBO terminated any kind of relationship they had with Golden Boy it left Mayweather with a better pool of potential opponents than Manny is left with under Arum.

Top Rank’s depth in quality comes from Lightweight and below really, whereas Showtime / Golden Boy on the other side of the wall have a lot of depth between 140 and 154. They have Maidana, Thurman, Porter, Alvarez, Lara, Trout, Garcia, Matthysse, Alexander, Broner, Khan etc, whereas Top Rank / HBO have Bradley, Marquez, Provodnikov, Rios, Alvarado, Algieri and Andrade. No doubt that Bradley and Marquez are both tip-top fighters, but there’s a feeling that we’ve already seen everything that fights involving them and Pacquiao could possibly show us, and outside of those guys it’s clear which camp has the better, more intriguing and more attractive options in or around Mayweather and Pacquiao’s weight classes.

Considering what Arum has to work with in that sense, I’ve got no issues with a Pacquiao-Algieri fight. I know that, supposedly, the coming months will see an official deal struck between Oscar and Uncle Bob, but until that happens consider me very much a sceptic.

88Chris05 wrote:

AdamT wrote:If Mayweather took this fight, he would be laughed at and called a coward. Joke of a fight

In fairness, I think we need to get out of this mindset of always comparing every move Manny makes with every move Mayweather makes (and vice versa), or constantly arguing about the respective merits of who they’re fighting in their upcoming bouts.

Between, say, 2009 and 2012, it was understandable because the pair of them were by far and away the two best fighters in the sport pound for pound, and near enough the whole boxing landscape was dominated by a demand for them to fight each other. There’s nothing like the demand for it now and politically we’re further away than ever before from it in any case. Manny’s not being judged by such high standards anymore as well (compare that to Floyd, who still is at that kind of level despite not being at his best against Maidana) due to his gradual decline in the last two or three years, and after the split between promoters and networks became even wider when HBO terminated any kind of relationship they had with Golden Boy it left Mayweather with a better pool of potential opponents than Manny is left with under Arum.

Top Rank’s depth in quality comes from Lightweight and below really, whereas Showtime / Golden Boy on the other side of the wall have a lot of depth between 140 and 154. They have Maidana, Thurman, Porter, Alvarez, Lara, Trout, Garcia, Matthysse, Alexander, Broner, Khan etc, whereas Top Rank / HBO have Bradley, Marquez, Provodnikov, Rios, Alvarado, Algieri and Andrade. No doubt that Bradley and Marquez are both tip-top fighters, but there’s a feeling that we’ve already seen everything that fights involving them and Pacquiao could possibly show us, and outside of those guys it’s clear which camp has the better, more intriguing and more attractive options in or around Mayweather and Pacquiao’s weight classes.

Considering what Arum has to work with in that sense, I’ve got no issues with a Pacquiao-Algieri fight. I know that, supposedly, the coming months will see an official deal struck between Oscar and Uncle Bob, but until that happens consider me very much a sceptic.

If you don't mind me asking Chris, what is your occupation? You write very well and seem quite intelligent.

...emphasis on the 'quite' in that last sentence Chris.

Can't get excited about this one. Gutsy performance last time out from Algieri so credit to him for that, but something in his style, maybe the lack of power, didn't leave me wanting to see much more of him.

Ha ha, you're way too kind, Adam! And Milky, you're just.....Well, just milky.

Hope Strongy or Lumbering Jack aren't around to take the mick about what a low-wage pauper I am, but there's no great intelligence required in my job in low-level finance, fella, although I've earned many PhDs in phone monkeyism and mastery of Excel. Decided that teaching is what I want to do in the future, though (history). Was giving my little brother and a couple of his mates a helping hand revising for their GCSEs last year and it made me decide that's what I should be doing with my life.....Because these young'uns these days know nowt!

My younger sister his doing history for her O-levels... My God is she about to get monster munched

I am hoping to stay on and do a masters next year after graduating. Problem is my essays are all in the 2:1 zone but my exam marks are in the 2:2 zone so I am a borderline 60% student and most decent Unis prefere people to have a 2:1 when applying. I have never really considered doing teaching as I don't like kids and I ran a Heritage workshop last year in a school and didn't enjoying it one bit. Good luck to those who go into teaching though I do admire your patience

I was always the other way steffan, far better at exams. Can write pretty quick and am pretty good at actually answering the question rather than just blathering on. If you can do that you'll do alright in most exams.

You'd make a good teacher Chris, here's hoping they add history of boxing to the national curriculum... You could get rowley as a classroom assistant, when you do the BMR part of the syllabus. Should be obligatory in all schools.

Fabulous idea milky boy, I teach Welsh and back in the day would reference Joe Calzaghe when on the topic of sports.

Although anyone who hasn't been in the public eye in the last month is a waste of time for a classroom of 30 goldfish! His appalling appearance on strictly bought me some time, but that's long gone now

Back on topic, there's no way Algieri who has a less than 50% KO rate at LWW carries up enough power to keep Pacquaio off him at WW. He won't be plodding forward in straight lines like Prod. Seems like a mismatch

Very pointless fight but Pacquiao doesn't have many new options left and Algieri has some name recognition now having beaten Provodnikov.

Unfortunately for me Rowley I answer the question in intense detail and depth hence why I work within the sales environment in Motor Insurance. Love my job, spekaing to different people, talking garbage and making nice money. Was previously in the forces for 7 years so my new found love of insurance is a bit of a culture shock. But hey, loving it.

Pacquiao still has enough to challenge anyone but is wasting the end of his career

Like who is algieri except from someone who beat prov, like herrera!! Bogus fight and will do awful business

If I were Manny i'd be hoping TR and GB can work together as he's running out of tiem to stay relevant

Broner, Guerrero, Thurman, khan, Garcia etc will all be better for his wallet and his legacy (yea they don't add much granted) and he'd probably beat all of them (actually khan would probs beat him imo, never thought i'd say that)

Arum is lucky he broke into the chinese market as pacquiao can't hold a ppv in america anymore against someone at the quality as Algieri and rios