Hearn Putting A Lot Of Faith In Joshua

After watching Callum Smith fighting last night I thought to myself what bracket does Hearn put the young Liverpudlian in. There's the marquee names like Froch and Joshua and then at the bottom of the pile theres the likes of Rose who was dispensable.

It's clear Froch cannot continue forever and with Eddie talking up Froch fighting twice more, once in Vegas and then DeGale, it might only be 12 months until the Cobra retires.

That leaves Eddie with the question 'Who will my next PPV star be?' Joshua is certainly getting the Rolls Royce and kid gloves treatment from Matchroom, its clear from the way Eddie talks about him that he has a few eggs in that basket. To contrast this I see Hearn putting Callum Smith out on the road until he loses or gets a title shot against a superior fighter.

What do people think? Is Joshua the real deal who will go on to unify the heavyweight division and  bring Eddie more cash than a Brinks security van can carry?

Does Smith fall along the way not fulfilling the potential his brothers think he has?

I see these fighters as receiving vastly different types of management and promotion. How do you see it?

Joshua is the Olympic champ so has earned his public recognition.  Smith is nowhere close in terms of public acclaim.

I'm going to put one out there and it goes like this: Joshua never wins a strap at heavyweight and despite the odds Calum Smith does.  Am I really that far off base?

That was very nearly an article with no bias to Eddie in it at all   well done Strongy.

To answer your question I think big Ed is moving his boxers along nicely, Callum looks a good prospect as does Joshua but until Josh steps up a bit more we're not going to know.

Smith will not fall by the wayside due to the fact that he looks like a very very good boxer and prospect. Your fallacy that Eddie sends his boxers out to get beat is your downfall as per.

I wouldn't state you'd be off base at all, Every man and his dog is saying Callum Smith has the tools to win a belt eventually and Just as many people are saying AJ looks good now but we'll have to wait and see if he's good enough to win a world strap.

The two fighters are being promoted differently. Joshua is seen as the money maker.

Smith will be matched tougher than Joshua is my take on it.

Joshua sells himself. Joshua is the olympic champion. Naturally he is an earner. I havent an ounce of business acumen but, if I was a promoter, I'd give precedence to my Olympic champion who will potentially become Heavyweight Champion Of The World. Then, if he gets beat I'd adjust my focus elsewhere.

Agree with most of what you have said Strong,but I do think AJ will win a heavyweight title, he has the skills and is also likeable so will be easy to market. Also thought it was good for him to be in with an old pro, ruffed up a bit with holding and spoiling. I really like the way callum smith has gone to the body in his last fights but can't see him going all the way to the top, but would be great if he did, maybe peak at Euro level.

Smith has to be matched tougher as the talent in his division is greater than that in the Heavyweight division.

Joshua's got one more step up really before he starts to hit the bigger players in the heavyweight division (Who would you like to see him fight next?)

Callum could stay around the Domestic scene and have harder fights. Eddie's got a choice soon, put Joshua in with a dangerous opponent (ala Price Vs Thompson) and risk a money maker or drag it out for a bit longer. That will all depend on what Joshua wants to do.

Let's be honest Smith could stay at domestic level for years and still be taking on harder fights than Joshua if he reaches world level.

I don't think it will be a choice of one or the other, both will take different routes because of their respective division, Smith has Fielding, Degale and Groves operating at 168lbs all which would be fairly big fights.

All true hammersmith, who next for both of them?

Luke Campbell will be another cleverly matched prospect. He seems to have the height to move through the weights. He'll sell out the KC stadium when required, has a bit of house wife appeal from prancing on ice. 
The sky's the limit it he passes the chin check.

Olympic champions are always going to be matched differently.

jimdig wrote:Luke Campbell will be another cleverly matched prospect. He seems to have the height to move through the weights. He'll sell out the KC stadium when required, has a bit of house wife appeal from prancing on ice. 
The sky's the limit it he passes the chin check.

I like Campbell and he's talented but I'm not sure if he has the fortitude for the pro game.

Joshua is the golden prospect at match room and in my read of things is much higher up the pecking order than Campbell.

Joshua certainly is the future golden goose of British boxing. An articulate heavyweight that looks the part, with serious KO power. Who should challenge for a world title late 2015/2016 (when wlad is in his pipe and slippers). 

He also needs to pass a chin check though. Him v wilder next year is a fight I'd like to see.

Hummels is being torn a new one by Messi. Isn't Lahm also the best left back in the world?

Oops. wrong thread

I think Brook is being eyed up as a possibility. If he beats Porter then his star will rise, and a PPV fight with Khan will almost certainly happen. Brook looks good in that and other doors open for him and Eddie in the stacked ww division.

But yeah, obviously they have high hopes for Joshua. Any promotor that had a potential next British HW world champ on their hands would do the same, look at the way Maloney fell to bits when Price got it handed to him.

DeGale Groves II is another potential PPV event especially with Groves increased profile, so there are PPV options for them going forward, not necessarily about having one fighter as the main PPV star.

I also expect to see Campbell face Burns at some point in the future, he's in a good position where he can use the old guard to propel the new guard.

I don't see DeGale v Groves being PPV until one of them wins a world strap. Even then it's hasn't got the draw that Froch brings. Remember the Wembley fight being so big was based on the circumstances of the first fight.

The first Groves Degale was PPV. Groves is infinitely better known this time around.

The first fight between them was huge anyway Strongy.

Strongback wrote:I don't see DeGale v Groves being PPV until one of them wins a world strap. Even then it's hasn't got the draw that Froch brings. Remember the Wembley fight being so big was based on the circumstances of the first fight.

It won't happen til at least one of them has a strap, but it could end up being a unification bout the way things are going. With the rivalry, titles on the line and matchroom's ability to market a fight it would definitely be a PPV event; the first one was and they were virtual novices then.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The first fight between them was huge anyway Strongy.

I don't remember it that way. Groves was a big underdog going in and it looked like a stay busy fight for Froch which might explain his poorer than usual display. The somewhat unexpected very high level of Groves performance and the ending made it a great fight.

Big Ed won't just be looking at putting a Wembley show on though, you've got to realise that that is 1 in a lifetime stuff really. Although I suppose he is good enough to get it sorted again

Strongback wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The first fight between them was huge anyway Strongy.

I don't remember it that way. Groves was a big underdog going in  and it looked like a stay busy fight for Froch which might explain his poorer than usual display.  The somewhat unexpected very high level of Groves performance and the ending made it a great fight.

In that case you remember it wrongly and have created a false perception of the fight. It was a big fight between domestic rivals, sold out in minutes and did good numbers on PPV, only you called it a mismatch.

Rowley wrote:The first Groves Degale was PPV. Groves is infinitely better known this time around.

Cleverly fought for the WBO title on the same card. It was one of those Magnificent 7 type cards that Frank was trotting out at the time. Never PPV worthy in my eyes or probably yours at the time.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Strongback wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The first fight between them was huge anyway Strongy.

I don't remember it that way. Groves was a big underdog going in  and it looked like a stay busy fight for Froch which might explain his poorer than usual display.  The somewhat unexpected very high level of Groves performance and the ending made it a great fight.

In that case you remember it wrongly and have created a false perception of the fight. It was a big fight between domestic rivals, sold out in minutes and did good numbers on PPV, only you called it a mismatch.

An article from Boxrec written before Froch v Groves 1. Please take heed of the betting odds.

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Boxing - Frankie's Flutters: Add spice to Froch v Groves with special bets

Fresh from a York Hall victory, Frank Monkhouse goes to market and gets prices for this weekend's blockbuster clash between Mr Froch and Mr Groves.
By BoxRec News
Nov 20, 2013 23:53
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Frankie's Flutters: Add spice to Froch v Groves with special bets

It’s generally accepted by punters that bookmakers rarely get it wrong when it comes to the major talking points in sport. You certainly don’t see many cash-strapped firms and even less go bust, even in these testing financial times.

A look at the betting patterns for this weekend’s battle of Britain between Carl Froch and George Groves in Manchester would suggest odds compilers are finding things as difficult as fight fans to figure out however. I have a hard and fast rule when it comes to parting with my cash on big time boxing and that’s to always stick to my initial, knee-jerk reaction. My thoughts on how things will turn out before the hype machine goes into overdrive and clouds my judgement.

When it was first announced Carl Froch would meet George Groves for the WBA Super World and IBF titles at super-middleweight it was generally believed the undefeated Londoner was in over his head, to put it politely. High street giant Coral opened their book with the challenger down as a 4/1 no hoper. Four months later and the same firm have been forced to niggle him in to 7/2, which is still the best price around, but many of their competitors won’t give you any more than 3/1 on an upset.

Similarly with Nottingham’s Carl ‘The Cobra’ Froch. 32Red made their intentions clear straight from the off, making the Nottingham scrapper as skinny as 1/7, a price that says to punters, we don’t fancy taking on a man with 22 KOs on his record any more than Lucian Bute fancies spending another summer in Nottinghamshire. The closer we get to fight night however, the more they’ve changed their tune and a bet with the same firm will net you 2/9 at present. That means for every £10 on Froch, you’ll make £2.22 profit, whereas before you were getting just £1.43 for the same stake. If you do fancy Froch to win, the best place to have a punt is at Betfred who go top price 2/7.

So, upsets and romance aside, let’s assume bookies have got this one right and Froch teaches the young man a lesson. To make any money out of this one punters must decide how it’s going to happen. Carl has stopped two of his last three opponents inside the distance and another early night is no more than 8/11 at Ladbrokes, not a bad price when you consider Stan James go 8/15 on the same outcome. The 36-year-old demonstrated patience and skill in his last encounter to out-point old foe Mikkel Kessler however and another verdict on the cards is best at Coral’s 10/3.

There’s a feast of special markets on offer to add some extra spice to your evening’s viewing and the fight to progress beyond the seventh round is 8/15 at Skybet, a knockdown in the opening round for either man is 17/2 (Betfred) while Froch to blow away Groves in the first minute will bag you 50/1 at Ladbrokes.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/boxing-frankies-flutters-add-spice-froch-v-groves-235359425--box.html

The betting odds mean nothing Strongy doesn't stop it being a big fight nor is it a surprise that the big name fighter is a heavy favourite.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The betting odds mean nothing Strongy doesn't stop it being a big fight nor is it a surprise that the big name fighter is a heavy favourite.

Back tracking again son. What's new.


It was only a significant fight because Froch was coming off a good win over Kessler in what was a glittering promotion that launched Eddie in the public imagination. Groves didn't sell anything. I could probably find articles from the time stating Groves did not bring enough to the table to make it a PPV worthy fight.

It turned out that it was a great fight and gave Edward the chance to distinguish himself with the Wembly gig. It was certainly fortunate the way the cookie crumbled for Hearn.

No backtracking at all, it was a big fight because it was between two english boxers, while Groves had a name because of the Degale fight but why do I expect anything aside from one eyed bias from you.

You can find all the articles you want Strongy but it sold out in minutes and sold well on PPV.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:No backtracking at all, it was a big fight because it was between two english boxers, while Groves had a name because of the Degale fight but why do I expect anything aside from one eyed bias from you.

You can find all the articles you want Strongy but it sold out in minutes and sold well on PPV.

Froch sold it. You're deluded or just being a contrarian. Probably a bit of both.

Few years ago we had a posh type called Rebecca at our Company...I'd hear on the grapevine she was always criticizing me for some reason or other..Eventually she was headhunted by another Company...After she left I was told by a female employee she had a big thing for me...

The Lady doth protest too much..Strongy !!!

I reckon you have a thing for Eddie...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Few years ago we had a posh type called Rebecca at our Company...I'd hear on the grapevine she was always criticizing me for some reason or other..Eventually she was headhunted by another Company...After she left I was told by a female employee she had a big thing for me...

The Lady doth protest too much..Strongy !!!

I reckon you have a thing for Eddie...

Sorry to hear you missed an opportunity to get your leg over. Any opinions on Joshua etc?

Wasn't my type....

Joshua the next great heavy....He'll clean up and he's just what Boxing needs...

Sorry Strongy but I think you'll find the first Froch/Groves fight was sold by the pair of them. Granted Froch was the main man but until Groves started his war of words a lot of people were looking at it like a warm up. Once it started and you could see Groves confidence people had second thoughts and decided they HAD to get it just in case they missed a big upset (Reason I got it, and why a lot of people were making plans to see it.)

The 2nd fight doesn't even need explaining and we all know it sold itself but it also gave a lot of talk to a rematch between Groves and Degale with the 1st being such a razor thin decision. Put it on PPV and it'll sell and make money (don't expect Froch/Groves numbers though as you might as well expect every PPV to do Mayweather/Manny numbers).

Eddie's too smart to put it on PPV if he doesn't think it will make money as he's seen and learnt from the mistakes that Frank, Khan and Haye made.

Anything half decent will be on PPV now..

Fairness to Strongy...Hearn intimated Froch-Kessler 2 would be a one off..

Give someone an inch.....

Would seem fairly inevitable Joshua would be marketed differently. Traditionally the heavyweight division is where the big bucks are and so potentially Anthony is the golden goose for Eddie. Also the planets could be aligning nicely for him to become an absolute megastar. Whatever one thinks about Wlad even those of us a little more kindly to him would be hard pushed to claim he is Mr Excitement or his reign has been a white knuckle ride. As such it does not take a marketing genius to sell a guy as the man to bring excitement back to the division, particularly not one who potentially hits pretty hard, as Joshua seems to. Also as Brits we have hardly been spoilt with heavyweight success over the last few years if Joshua can fill that void and bring the excitement lacking from Wlad's seemingly endless reign you can well understand why Eddie sees him as the jewel in the crown.

It sold better than Froch Kessler 1 and part of the reason for that was Groves' mouth to be fair.

Rowley wrote:Would seem fairly inevitable Joshua would be marketed differently. Traditionally the heavyweight division is where the big bucks are and so potentially Anthony is the golden goose for Eddie. Also the planets could be aligning nicely for him to become an absolute megastar. Whatever one thinks about Wlad even those of us a little more kindly to him would be hard pushed to claim he is Mr Excitement or his reign has been a white knuckle ride. As such it does not take a marketing genius to sell a guy as the man to bring excitement back to the division, particularly not one who potentially hits pretty hard, as Joshua seems to. Also as Brits we have hardly been spoilt with heavyweight success over the last few years if Joshua can fill that void and bring the excitement lacking from Wlad's seemingly endless reign you can well understand why Eddie sees him as the jewel in the crown.

Agree It's not about being the best of all time...It's about being better than your contemporaries...

Johnson beats Louis all day long for me as Bruno beats Wlad...

But If you don't have a Johnson or Bruno then you dominate..

The kid already has more potential than his prospective competition....Joshua undisputed for me in three years m

I'd take Joshua to beat the likes of Sexton and Price with ease, I even think he'd do a number on Chisora and Fury. Haye's still far and away the best British HW out there, but by the time Joshua is ready for World level, I think Haye will have called it quits for good (honestly guv, definitely mean it this time). He'soo smart, savvy and or proud to end his career on the canvas at the hands of the new HW star but I do see Haye throwing his support behind Joshua in a few years time though.

How do you know ??....Hasn't fought in ages....

Joshua has had 7 fights and hasn't been cracked on the chin by a HW punch yet. There's a lot of expectation on him. Too much maybe.

Err...it's an opinion, which I'm entitled to hold....or do you have a problem with that?

Why so sensitive ??

Haye is nothing without speed as he's a small heavy.....He'll have been out a long time ... was he to come back..and he isn't young !!

No need to start crying..

If Joshua was Irish you'd have him nailed down for ATG status..Strongy..

Why be such a bell3nd? Price, Sexton, Chisora and Fury are nowhere near good enough to beat Haye even if he has been out two years and even if he has lost some of his speed. He's still technically better than all of them. Talk all the pony you want about Fury's size intimidating him but if Cunningham wasn't intimidated by Fury then why would Haye be?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

If Joshua was Irish you'd have him nailed down for ATG status..Strongy..

He looks like Bruno to me. Who's to say he doesn't react to a punch from the likes of Wilder the way Frank used to.

He's not at Frampton's level yet.   

Frank beats Wilder all day long..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Frank beats Wilder all day long..

Hard to tell really. Two big punchers and two chins that cannot deter a good shot scrabbling the brain.

Joshua already looks better than Fury and Chisora who pass for top ranked heavyweight contenders these days. If he ends up even as good as Frank Bruno he wont have too much trouble winning titles.

Might as well as say Bonecrusher Smith v Foreman is 50/50..

Two big punchers

Hearn has a lot of faith in Joshua, but I think he is spread betting.Wasn't Campbells first show a 4 rd headliner at the KC stadium? Joshua hasn't had anything close to that level of exposure yet. Glad to see Eddie roll back on making Campbell a headline act too.

If Joshua goes the way of price I doubt it makes much of a dent to slick eddies bottom line, were as it nearly killed Maloney.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Few years ago we had a posh type called Rebecca at our Company...I'd hear on the grapevine she was always criticizing me for some reason or other..Eventually she was headhunted by another Company...After she left I was told by a female employee she had a big thing for me...

The Lady doth protest too much..Strongy !!!

I reckon you have a thing for Eddie...

maybe the big thing she had for you was a baseball bat, trussy