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Season 7 Homepage III
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2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Northampton Saints | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 184 | 150 | 34 | 21 | 13 | 5 | 0 | 29 | |
2 | Sale Sharks * | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 175 | 157 | 18 | 21 | 14 | 3 | 1 | 23 | |
3 | Leicester Tigers | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 148 | 144 | 4 | 14 | 13 | 0 | 2 | 18 | |
4 | Harlequins * | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 176 | 155 | 21 | 20 | 15 | 2 | 1 | 18 | |
5 | Exeter Chiefs | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 156 | 154 | 2 | 14 | 14 | 0 | 1 | 17 | |
6 | London Wasps | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 163 | 168 | -5 | 17 | 19 | 1 | 2 | 15 | |
7 | Bath Rugby * | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 159 | 156 | 3 | 16 | 17 | 0 | 3 | 13 | |
8 | Saracens | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 145 | 161 | -16 | 14 | 15 | 0 | 4 | 12 | |
9 | London Welsh | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 149 | 163 | -14 | 13 | 18 | 0 | 2 | 10 | |
10 | Newcastle Falcons | 6 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 144 | 158 | -14 | 12 | 13 | 0 | 3 | 9 | |
11 | Gloucester | 6 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 148 | 165 | -17 | 13 | 16 | 0 | 4 | 8 | |
12 | London Irish | 6 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 147 | 164 | -17 | 13 | 17 | 0 | 5 | 7 |
Links
Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
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Budgets
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Anglo Welsh Homepage
Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
Foreign Transfers
Budgets
European Homepage
Anglo Welsh Homepage
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992.
Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Open Window
Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them. Teams may only bid for one player at a time.
The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.
For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
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SirJohnnyEnglish- Posts : 8536
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Do people think I need Atkinson or Jon fisher more?
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Budgets & tables up to date. This weeks match thread:
https://www.606v2.com/t55916-aviva-premiership-round-six#2796877
https://www.606v2.com/t55916-aviva-premiership-round-six#2796877
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Prop - I'd go Jon Fisher as he will only get better and better at a team like Saints, great coaches there.
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Atkinson for me, looks a good option.
http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-news/augustine-pulu-aware-all-blacks-hype-6099683
Can see this lad really pushing Smith over the next year
http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-news/augustine-pulu-aware-all-blacks-hype-6099683
Can see this lad really pushing Smith over the next year
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Just clicked on the NRL final highlights. Even 5mins of that crap is enough, I don't know how anyone can watch it.
So hard to imagine any RL playing crossing codes successfully as its a completely different sport. Takes a very special talent to make it, even harder outside of the back 3. I can't believe Benji Marshall thought he could be a pivot??
So hard to imagine any RL playing crossing codes successfully as its a completely different sport. Takes a very special talent to make it, even harder outside of the back 3. I can't believe Benji Marshall thought he could be a pivot??
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Brad Thorn done it?
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Berrick Barnes, Stephen Myler, Karmeichel Hunt, Alan Tait, Frano Botica, Marc Ellis, Alan Bateman, Scott Gibbs, Scott Quinnell all did pretty well.
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Quinell went from Union to League then back.
I think your exagerrating to be honest Pooly if you mean RL players can't play Union.
Robinson, Folau, SBW, Barnes, Davies, Tuiagamala and Thorn have been outstanding.
Likes of Farrell, Hape, Tomkins, Ryan Cross, Karmichael Hunt, Vainikolo, Freddie Tuilagi, Perellini and others have done ok. Nothing exceptional but didn't straight up fail.
Many have failed. Marshall, Gasnier, Farrell, Smith and Walker spring to mind.
I think your exagerrating to be honest Pooly if you mean RL players can't play Union.
Robinson, Folau, SBW, Barnes, Davies, Tuiagamala and Thorn have been outstanding.
Likes of Farrell, Hape, Tomkins, Ryan Cross, Karmichael Hunt, Vainikolo, Freddie Tuilagi, Perellini and others have done ok. Nothing exceptional but didn't straight up fail.
Many have failed. Marshall, Gasnier, Farrell, Smith and Walker spring to mind.
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For every one that makes it there's 10's that don't. Chris, most of those were Union to RL converts first?????
Barnes played Union & RL at good levels before fleeting to RL then Union.
Myler is a good example but not exactly top class, it's took him 8 years of union to get to his current level, probably turning a corner a year or two ago?
Tait is a bad example....pretty sure he played Union for Scotland before switching to RL.
Bateman another bad example, played Union for Wales prior to switch to RL. Similar Gibbs, who I think was even a Lion before RL????
Quinell was a Welsh int before switching to RL, same with Botica.
As I said....it's very rare for a RL player to switch to union outside of the back 3 and be a success. Rare not unheard of,
Barnes played Union & RL at good levels before fleeting to RL then Union.
Myler is a good example but not exactly top class, it's took him 8 years of union to get to his current level, probably turning a corner a year or two ago?
Tait is a bad example....pretty sure he played Union for Scotland before switching to RL.
Bateman another bad example, played Union for Wales prior to switch to RL. Similar Gibbs, who I think was even a Lion before RL????
Quinell was a Welsh int before switching to RL, same with Botica.
As I said....it's very rare for a RL player to switch to union outside of the back 3 and be a success. Rare not unheard of,
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Top level league is brilliant, the skillsets that some of the players have is unreal. Difficult for forwards to switch as the game is so different, but you have guys like Fausavalo (old Quins player and awful to spell) did well in both, Thorn best forward convert going - amazed at how easy he made it look - same can't really be said for Andy Powell...
A lot of the best players don't convert and you get some good players coming over, only really top English players to convert were Robinson and Farrell - could argue Eastmond there as well.
Add to the list Burrell, who isn't doing that badly really is he - pretty sure Nick Evans might have been league, or Aussie Rules.
A lot of the best players don't convert and you get some good players coming over, only really top English players to convert were Robinson and Farrell - could argue Eastmond there as well.
Add to the list Burrell, who isn't doing that badly really is he - pretty sure Nick Evans might have been league, or Aussie Rules.
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Steven_Sharks wrote:Quinell went from Union to League then back.
I think your exagerrating to be honest Pooly if you mean RL players can't play Union.
Robinson, Folau, SBW, Barnes, Davies, Tuiagamala and Thorn have been outstanding.
Likes of Farrell, Hape, Tomkins, Ryan Cross, Karmichael Hunt, Vainikolo, Freddie Tuilagi, Perellini and others have done ok. Nothing exceptional but didn't straight up fail.
Many have failed. Marshall, Gasnier, Farrell, Smith and Walker spring to mind.
My initial point was its so hard to spot a RL player that could make the step across outside of back 3 (which is perhaps the easiest transition).
Very few make a success in the centres or half back, such a different skill set needed.
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Fasa played Union then League as well though, so he had the more specialised forward skills before going to League where his physique and tackling technique meant he'd always do ok
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Burrell played for Leeds????? Your examples are shocking Chris lol
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Chris showing off his rugby knowledge, you've got about a 10% hit rate so far! Lol
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Nev played Aussie rules, not league
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Played for Huddersfield at league when he was younger then both Leeds league and union.
Tait was definitely league before union, he retired in union.
Will up my 10% hit rate - Wendall Sailor wasn't bad, Loti Tukiri, Mat Rogers couldn't have been that bad to be in a WC. Did BJ Mather ever play for England?
Tait was definitely league before union, he retired in union.
Will up my 10% hit rate - Wendall Sailor wasn't bad, Loti Tukiri, Mat Rogers couldn't have been that bad to be in a WC. Did BJ Mather ever play for England?
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Pretty sure Burrell just played schoolboy RL, not competitive.
"Tait was definitely league before union, he retired in union."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Tait
Sadly only Wiki but he played for Scotland RU prior to switch.
Sailor & Tukiri were back 3 players, I said non back 3.
Rodgers you can kind of have, he played AUS schoolboy Union though.
"Tait was definitely league before union, he retired in union."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Tait
Sadly only Wiki but he played for Scotland RU prior to switch.
Sailor & Tukiri were back 3 players, I said non back 3.
Rodgers you can kind of have, he played AUS schoolboy Union though.
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I've seen nothing saying Burrell played RL for Leeds
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I think the skill sets are similar for half backs the issue is the game management. In RL you know exactly who is going to be where. You can essentially pre-plan the whole set of tackles as their is no contest for the ball. In Union you need to commit men you don't expect and everything is less organised. I suspect that's the problem.
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All about the breakdown and fragmented nature of union.
Also the fitness is different.
Quinell was garbage at league. He went when union was amateur and they said it would take them a year to get league fit.
Now the opposite happens and most league converts find the union fitness really difficult. A completely different type of fitness.
Been some great league converts and many bad ones. Jason Robinson was dire on his first attempt with bath. Much better the second time he came back
Also the fitness is different.
Quinell was garbage at league. He went when union was amateur and they said it would take them a year to get league fit.
Now the opposite happens and most league converts find the union fitness really difficult. A completely different type of fitness.
Been some great league converts and many bad ones. Jason Robinson was dire on his first attempt with bath. Much better the second time he came back
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Anyone who hasn't voted on score only predictions could you please do so.
https://www.606v2.com/t55921-score-only-predictions
https://www.606v2.com/t55921-score-only-predictions
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Steyn being binned at stade francais ? Just not worked out for him there. Thought he would have been a great fit.
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9507292,00.html
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9507292,00.html
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His form hasn't been very good since he joined them - a shame as really like him, but some players just pick the wrong clubs to join and just doesnt work out for them.
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We'll have him at Falcons!
Agree on the RL converts, it's really hard to adapt. Looking at Burgess he'll need work on his speed and movement, he's no the most mobile of guys, may need to drop a few pounds.
Agree on the RL converts, it's really hard to adapt. Looking at Burgess he'll need work on his speed and movement, he's no the most mobile of guys, may need to drop a few pounds.
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Burgess will need to get used to defending against people who don't simply run straight at you.
I hope he is a success. He is a sensational physical specimen and a very good rugby player. Just get James Graham across to play at 8 and we are sorted!
I hope he is a success. He is a sensational physical specimen and a very good rugby player. Just get James Graham across to play at 8 and we are sorted!
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It would be great if slotted into what is a problem area, I'm just not sure he has the skill set
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On paper and what I've seen from League he has everything and it should work. Good ball player, great engine, staggering physicality and a good rugby (albeit League) brain.
If only it were that easy though. I think at Bath he may be in the right place. Good coaches, good players and club in a good place. Eastmond also doing well their.
My concern is that with Bath he wouldn't have experience around him. Ford at 10 and JJ at 13 aren't yet the players to guide him through a game. Both exceptionally talented but should worry about their own game at the present.
If only it were that easy though. I think at Bath he may be in the right place. Good coaches, good players and club in a good place. Eastmond also doing well their.
My concern is that with Bath he wouldn't have experience around him. Ford at 10 and JJ at 13 aren't yet the players to guide him through a game. Both exceptionally talented but should worry about their own game at the present.
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No issue with mobility, pace or movement for me - issues for him will be in the tackle area and getting his defensive lines right - he hasnt always been the best at wrapping his arms around people and can see a few yellow cards early on.
When you look at his stats in league, it is unreal what he does in a game, completely different in union of course - be great if he did make the cross-over, can't wait to see him give it a go! Not many truly world class players change codes.
When you look at his stats in league, it is unreal what he does in a game, completely different in union of course - be great if he did make the cross-over, can't wait to see him give it a go! Not many truly world class players change codes.
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When you look at his tackles in RL they're mostly front on, he'll be targeted staright away.
I can see him being a hit straight away as he'll make the big carries. Can see people working him out pretty fast though and the better opposition the harder it'll be for him. The thing will be if he can adapt to this and change his style.
I can see him being a hit straight away as he'll make the big carries. Can see people working him out pretty fast though and the better opposition the harder it'll be for him. The thing will be if he can adapt to this and change his style.
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Defending at no12 will be ok for him, is the closest you can get to defending to league, if he was moved out to 13 then completely different. Bath's defence coach is very good and they have quite a few coaches with league backgrounds, so should be ideal club for him.
Would love to see Burgess and Tuilagi - imagine defending against those two for 80 minutes!!
Would love to see Burgess and Tuilagi - imagine defending against those two for 80 minutes!!
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I wish I was as confident as you in his abilities. It would certainly be fun to watch Burgess/Manu, although we probably wouldn't need wingers as they'd never touch the ball!
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I can't see him hitting the heights that people are expecting. He'll be a very good crash ball merchant who picks up loads of cards as he has not using his arms in the tackle ingrained in him. I reckon he'll stay the length of his contract then go back to league.
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I'm swaying with you Pete tbh, I can't see him being a England Int at the WC, not a starter anyway.
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If Henry Paul can become an England starter...
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We don't even know where he's going to play. If Bath play him at 6 then there is zero chance of him making the world cup squad. If they say he's a 12 he has to get past Eastmond first, so not sure he'll even get enough game time to press his claim for the England jersey.
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And Farrell!
Times have changed though, we're not as desperate as we were then. Those were dark days......
Times have changed though, we're not as desperate as we were then. Those were dark days......
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He's playing at no12 Pete, Bath coaches have confirmed it and so has Burgess. Eastmond or Joseph will lose their spot as Bath have paid way too much money not to play Burgess - can see Eastmond moving to a wing spot.
Still pretty desperate in the no12 shirt though.
Still pretty desperate in the no12 shirt though.
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When did Bath confirm that, I've seen nothing.
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We're not really, we have options in Twelvetress and Burrell/Eastmond etc. We had very few options then, if Burgess has flaws he won't play it'll be that simple.
Bath have stated he'll start at 12 but Ford see's him as a 6 and thinks he'll end up in the backrow.
Bath have stated he'll start at 12 but Ford see's him as a 6 and thinks he'll end up in the backrow.
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Twelvetrees has had too many chances for England and apart from the odd glimpse has in my opinion not taken the chances at all.
Eastmond got showed up against NZ in the second taste and isn't physical enough against the bigger teams who have shown he can get bullied, would still make a very good outside back at international level.
Burrell has best chance, but not 100% sure on him at the highest level.
Eastmond got showed up against NZ in the second taste and isn't physical enough against the bigger teams who have shown he can get bullied, would still make a very good outside back at international level.
Burrell has best chance, but not 100% sure on him at the highest level.
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Should read the blogs the rugby site did on the 2nd test Chris. Eastmond didn't hold himself in the best of lights with some missed tackles but it was a complete systems failure. Shouldn't be scapegoated for the All Blacks working our defensive patterns out
http://www.therugbysite.com/blog/attack/all-blacks-give-england-a-lesson-in-set-piece-attack-part-2
http://www.therugbysite.com/blog/attack/all-blacks-give-england-a-lesson-in-set-piece-attack-part-2
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I'd prefer Burrell to be given a chance over a RL convert who's never played union before
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It was Burns rushing up in the line that created issues for Eastmond, not his own deficiencies in his defending ability
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I remember the gap between the centres being huge and the AB's just running striaght through the middle
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Read the blog I posted on it. Burns was too tight to the rucks throughout and left Eastmond in no mans land facing up to 2/3 runners by himself. All Blacks did their homework and had us worked to a tee.
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Burns and eastmond Were at fault.
I have seen enough of eastmond week in week out to know he has massive defensive issues.
Seen him get ran straight over many times. He is improving but he is a mile off for me.
Burns is even further away
I have seen enough of eastmond week in week out to know he has massive defensive issues.
Seen him get ran straight over many times. He is improving but he is a mile off for me.
Burns is even further away
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You are right that burns rushes up. When defenders are not great they do this often. Burns gives a lot of penalties away due to this as well
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Burns is a steady defender for me, certainly no worse than other 10's about and better than the likes of Cips etc.
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To some extent I agree SJE, don't get me wrong I like Eastmond, but when he's up against really physical strong runners he struggles with defence and bounces off tackles. He's improved his tacklng and the Bath coaching is very good, but physically its hard for him to compete due to size.
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Agree Chris he's at a disadvantage. Personally always said he would be great playing from the wing and coming infield to act as an extra playmaker similar to JOC when he first broke through.
But to write him off as an international centre based on one game where he wasn't solely at fault is a bit harsh. Especially considering the performance he had put in the week before.
But to write him off as an international centre based on one game where he wasn't solely at fault is a bit harsh. Especially considering the performance he had put in the week before.
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