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Season 7 Homepage III
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2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Northampton Saints | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 184 | 150 | 34 | 21 | 13 | 5 | 0 | 29 | |
2 | Sale Sharks * | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 175 | 157 | 18 | 21 | 14 | 3 | 1 | 23 | |
3 | Leicester Tigers | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 148 | 144 | 4 | 14 | 13 | 0 | 2 | 18 | |
4 | Harlequins * | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 176 | 155 | 21 | 20 | 15 | 2 | 1 | 18 | |
5 | Exeter Chiefs | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 156 | 154 | 2 | 14 | 14 | 0 | 1 | 17 | |
6 | London Wasps | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 163 | 168 | -5 | 17 | 19 | 1 | 2 | 15 | |
7 | Bath Rugby * | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 159 | 156 | 3 | 16 | 17 | 0 | 3 | 13 | |
8 | Saracens | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 145 | 161 | -16 | 14 | 15 | 0 | 4 | 12 | |
9 | London Welsh | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 149 | 163 | -14 | 13 | 18 | 0 | 2 | 10 | |
10 | Newcastle Falcons | 6 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 144 | 158 | -14 | 12 | 13 | 0 | 3 | 9 | |
11 | Gloucester | 6 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 148 | 165 | -17 | 13 | 16 | 0 | 4 | 8 | |
12 | London Irish | 6 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 147 | 164 | -17 | 13 | 17 | 0 | 5 | 7 |
Links
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Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
Foreign Transfers
Budgets
European Homepage
Anglo Welsh Homepage
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992.
Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Open Window
Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them. Teams may only bid for one player at a time.
The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.
For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
Last edited by SirJohnnyEnglish on Tue 04 Nov 2014, 8:41 pm; edited 6 times in total
SirJohnnyEnglish- Posts : 8536
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Was glad to get some tough games out the way during the RC! Now just have to dread the 6Nations time!
Does anyone have a prop available for loan during AIs at all? Doesn't have to be particularly good.
Does anyone have a prop available for loan during AIs at all? Doesn't have to be particularly good.
dammit_chris- Posts : 8685
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Hi guys, with my wedding on 1st november I'm not really going to be on here to do teams/predict after weekend of 25th for 3 weeks. If I can get on I will try. I've got a favour to ask though:
the people who i've got in the 1st 2 anglo welsh rounds and SirJ in a.p round 7 (i think), are you guys happy to just to teams and no tactics so someone else can submit my team for me please??
the people who i've got in the 1st 2 anglo welsh rounds and SirJ in a.p round 7 (i think), are you guys happy to just to teams and no tactics so someone else can submit my team for me please??
prop_lyd- Posts : 10387
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No worries Prop happy to go with just teamsheets. Most skip tactics during the Anglo Welsh as well anyway so not a big worry. Hope your enjoying your last few weeks of freedom!
SirJohnnyEnglish- Posts : 8536
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Cheers fella! Got my last rugby match before it on Saturday so hopefully will come through unscathed!
prop_lyd- Posts : 10387
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Table is interesting after AI's. Will take 4th. Good AI's and I'll be pleased. In the league I've got Gloucester and Bath away and Sale at home. I'm quite pleased I have Gloucester and Bath away during an international window!
Steven_Sharks- Posts : 7528
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Something odd going on in France - Armitage expected to sign for Bath or Sarries within 48 hours and now Lydiate, Roberts and Phillips expected to come back to Welsh clubs this week as well.
http://www.therugbyblog.com/lydiate-roberts-and-phillips-to-move-back-to-wales-this-week
http://www.therugbyblog.com/lydiate-roberts-and-phillips-to-move-back-to-wales-this-week
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"Mike Phillips’ case, however, is more complicated. At the moment, nobody has come forward to express their interest in the 32-year old scrum-half’s services, who is paying for his ‘extra-sportive escapades’ away from the pitch, and less than convincing performances on it"
That's quite a funny statement
That's quite a funny statement
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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dammit_chris wrote:Something odd going on in France - Armitage expected to sign for Bath or Sarries within 48 hours and now Lydiate, Roberts and Phillips expected to come back to Welsh clubs this week as well.
http://www.therugbyblog.com/lydiate-roberts-and-phillips-to-move-back-to-wales-this-week
The thing with the Welsh lads is they're on big contracts and none have really produced since moving over there. Maybe Racing are looking to cut their losses as they feel the squad can cope without them?
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Will this mean the end for Louw?
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9516694,00.html
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9516694,00.html
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It fell through Flux, I don't think he's signing for anyone at the minute.
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Steffon and Louw potentially an excellent flank combo. Seems it's not fallen through though.
LukeLovesLuka- Posts : 5865
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Aha that had said imminent in hours
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Farrell, Ford & Myler to be AI FH's? Burns & Cips in the Saxons?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2791497/danny-cipriani-left-england-squad-four-match-autumn-test-series.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2791497/danny-cipriani-left-england-squad-four-match-autumn-test-series.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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Looks like Ben Tameifuna won't be an All Black after all....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/10620903/Ben-Tameifuna-named-in-Tongan-squad-for-tour
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/10620903/Ben-Tameifuna-named-in-Tongan-squad-for-tour
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Interesting choice.
Steven_Sharks- Posts : 7528
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Is there a new EPS being announced?
Steven_Sharks- Posts : 7528
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I'd heard it was delayed, is it supposed to be today?
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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Looking at the fixtures there is two Euro games directly before the NZ game. I can't see players being pulled out of the Euro's so there isn't gonna be much prep time. Unlikely to see many new players in these circumstances.
Steven_Sharks- Posts : 7528
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I think the EPS announcement is the 22nd of October.
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Big Ben has the talent but just can't get fit. Talented player and if fit a better option than a lot of
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So everyone's thoughts on the Armitage situation?
I would love to see a back row of;
6. Billy V
7. Steffon
8. Morgan
Might lack some work rate, but with the likes of Attwood, Launch/Lawes, Cole and Hartley they can make up for that fact and help with the sheer carrying ability.
I would love to see a back row of;
6. Billy V
7. Steffon
8. Morgan
Might lack some work rate, but with the likes of Attwood, Launch/Lawes, Cole and Hartley they can make up for that fact and help with the sheer carrying ability.
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Not really convinced on Armitage. he's very good behind the Toulon pack and obviously a good player but unless he's improved a lot in France (which he may have done) I'm not sure he's a top international player as when he's played previously for us he's been bullied a bit by bigger opponents.
And Robshaw hasn't really done anything wrong in an England shirt - trouble is I don't see anyone else in the AP actually challenging him for a starting spot these days, as Kvesvic is just about starting to improve again and Fraser isn't first choice at Sarries.
So on that basis be good to have Armitage available but just not sure he's the answer for us, or would get in ahead of Robshaw.
And Robshaw hasn't really done anything wrong in an England shirt - trouble is I don't see anyone else in the AP actually challenging him for a starting spot these days, as Kvesvic is just about starting to improve again and Fraser isn't first choice at Sarries.
So on that basis be good to have Armitage available but just not sure he's the answer for us, or would get in ahead of Robshaw.
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I'm with Chris. Armitage gets a ride by the Toulon pack, he wouldn't get that here. He's a good player but very overrated by the media.
Robshaw isn't firing this season imo but he's proven at Int level and it's his shirt to lose.
Robshaw isn't firing this season imo but he's proven at Int level and it's his shirt to lose.
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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An England back row without Tom Wood is inconceivable in my eyes. If he is fit he plays. Robshaw similar but in my eyes not quite as important.
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Robshaw started off very poor, but last 2-3 games he's starting to look good again - he's never going to be a world beating no7 and that is what England really do need, but we've got to have one of the most athletic packs in world rugby, so that does make up for it luckily.
Do have concerns with how Quins are playing at the moment, as really need their players on form as would benefit England but Marler, Robshaw, Brown and Care have all looked out of sorts of late and you'd imagine Lancaster has them all pencilled in to start. Could see the test team lining up as:
1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Wilson
4. Launch
5. Lawes.
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Vunipola
9. Care
10. Farrell (if not fit Ford)
11. Roko
12. Burrell
13. Tuilagi
14. Yarde
15. Brown
16. Webber 17. Mullan 18. Thomas 19. Attwood 20. Morgan 21. Youngs 22. Ford 23. Eastmond
Do have concerns with how Quins are playing at the moment, as really need their players on form as would benefit England but Marler, Robshaw, Brown and Care have all looked out of sorts of late and you'd imagine Lancaster has them all pencilled in to start. Could see the test team lining up as:
1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Wilson
4. Launch
5. Lawes.
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Vunipola
9. Care
10. Farrell (if not fit Ford)
11. Roko
12. Burrell
13. Tuilagi
14. Yarde
15. Brown
16. Webber 17. Mullan 18. Thomas 19. Attwood 20. Morgan 21. Youngs 22. Ford 23. Eastmond
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Some of the form of those players is worrying.
Marler, Wilson, Launchbury, Robshaw, Care, Farrell, Tuilagi, Yarde, Brown are not playing particularly well. Let's hope it's just a blip and they regain it when back with england.
Marler, Wilson, Launchbury, Robshaw, Care, Farrell, Tuilagi, Yarde, Brown are not playing particularly well. Let's hope it's just a blip and they regain it when back with england.
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Launchbury? Surprised you'd list him in that, he's been very good for us this season when he's played. Good job the Saints and Bath lads (Wilson aside) are on great form.
Agree with the others, forgot that Yarde was at Quins - third of the team from them then.
Agree with the others, forgot that Yarde was at Quins - third of the team from them then.
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Launchbury has looked ok when I've seen him but I generally think he plays better England anyway. Wasps pack has looked good this season.
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Don't think Roko plays myself.
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Some of the form of those players is worrying.
Marler, Wilson, Launchbury, Robshaw, Care, Farrell, Tuilagi, Yarde, Brown are not playing particularly well. Let's hope it's just a blip and they regain it when back with england.
Brown was awful vs Tigers. He has been utterly exceptional against Sarries, Exeter, Welsh and Wasps and had little to do vs Irish. Harsh to say he's not been playing well.
Robshaw I've already commented about elsewhere, suffice to say I disagree with chris completely about him not being a top 7, and with you about his form.
Care has been hit and miss, his last 2 games looked good but I suspect he would have struggled vs Tigers, even though he usually plays well against them. Marler has not impressed particularly this season. But of all our players, the England ones have been playing fairly well and I'd say Brown and Chris exceptionally so. Brown, I can't even see how anyone could watch his games and say he wasn't playing well without focusing entirely on the last one
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"Robshaw started off very poor" - must have watched a different 6 Quins games to me this season then.
Every Frak year, it's the same, from everywhere and it's always equally false...
Every Frak year, it's the same, from everywhere and it's always equally false...
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I've got to disagree on Brown CJ. I've seen Quins 3 or so times this season and he's been off the pace, a long long way from exceptional. I'm a huge Brown fan but he's been outplayed by his opposite number quite a few time this seaon, similar with Robshaw.
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Only with Quins tinted glasses on would anyone say that Robshaw has been plahing well this season. He's been very quiet by his own standards.
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1 try, 0 assists. 2 kicks, 24 passes of which my "Quins tinted" memory was that none were poor and some were very nice, 62 carries for 132m, 2 clean breaks, 6 defenders beaten, 5 offloads, 8 (admittedly very high for him) turnovers given away with 2 penalties in that, 52 tackles made out of 54 attempted, 14 lineouts won including one steal. All behind an awful pack being beaten up in 5/6 of our matches in a team that has dropped most of te ball it has got. Fair to say I disagree, and on CAW, currently the most Quins-critical place I have ever seen, the consensus is still that almost alone in our side Robshaw and Brown have been playing well. Only Fraser looked as good as Robshaw in the 6 matches he has faced opposition so far, Haskell has had a great season but was outplayed entirely by Chris in their face off, hence why won got man of the match...
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And that doesn't take into account any turnovers and rucking, or the amount of loose ball he has had to and succeeded at clearing up
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Brown drops a couple of high balls and all of a sudden is 'off the pace'?!? Wow guess expectations are that bit higher at the top lol.
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CJ, you can quote stats all you want to mate, I pay very little heed to them, as most that I see bear very little resemblence to what I see on the pitch in games. Very much like Geoff Parling in the 2nd Lions test, who was lauded for making a high number of tackles, so I re watched the game and documented each tackle. On each one, although he brought the man down so the tackle was deemed as complete, he got knocked back from the gainline, allowing Australia to gain ground and recycle quickly. My point is that high tackle count in the stats does not mean he had an effective performance. I've watched Robshaw 4 times this season, once against us, then against Saracens, Chiefs and Tigers, and for me he was below his usual standards in those games. I know he is no longer the captain, but I expected to see him leading by example, and from what I have seen, that has been missing from his game this season.
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I do like a good stat but are those that impressive?
9 tackles a game from a flanker? Just over 2m per carry?
I really like Robshaw and digging him, I just don't think he's been as good as previous seasons (he has been exceptional for about 4/5 seasons.). Is it that extreme to suggest he's not fully firing?
9 tackles a game from a flanker? Just over 2m per carry?
I really like Robshaw and digging him, I just don't think he's been as good as previous seasons (he has been exceptional for about 4/5 seasons.). Is it that extreme to suggest he's not fully firing?
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LukeLovesLuka wrote:Brown drops a couple of high balls and all of a sudden is 'off the pace'?!? Wow guess expectations are that bit higher at the top lol.
Brown is incredible and easily our best option at FB. He's usually a 9/10 every game for Quins, I just think he's slipped off a bit at the start of this season. He's not looked as strong in attack and lacked a bit of fizz.
The last game I did see him in he was very good though (can't recall the game).
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Brown has a problem that he has been on such good form that when it drops (as I think it has this season) it looks like he is playing badly, when really he is just playing as well as the rest.
Stats can be useful, but they aren't solid evidence and I never take them ahead of what I've seen with my own eyes.
Stats can be useful, but they aren't solid evidence and I never take them ahead of what I've seen with my own eyes.
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Steven_Sharks wrote:Brown has a problem that he has been on such good form that when it drops (as I think it has this season) it looks like he is playing badly, when really he is just playing as well as the rest.
Stats can be useful, but they aren't solid evidence and I never take them ahead of what I've seen with my own eyes.
That's a great point Steve, I think this is the case with Brown, Care & Robshaw. They've been outstanding (have they ever dropped below a 8/10?) over the years.
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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Re: Season 7 Homepage III
In the last year or so I can't recall many bad games for them. All fully established as number 1 in their position and will (or at least should) start the world cup their fitness permitting.
Form is a finely balanced thing. You can play 19 good games then have a howler and your in bad form. Just as easily you can also play 19 bad games then have a stormer and your in good form. It is a very fickle thing.
Form is a finely balanced thing. You can play 19 good games then have a howler and your in bad form. Just as easily you can also play 19 bad games then have a stormer and your in good form. It is a very fickle thing.
Steven_Sharks- Posts : 7528
Join date : 2011-04-19
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Re: Season 7 Homepage III
For what it's worth, my England side would be
1. Joe Marler
2. Dylan Hartley
3. David Wilson
4. Courtney Lawes
5. Joe Launchbury
6. Tom Wood
7. Chris Robshaw
8. Ben Morgan
9. Danny Care
10. Owen Farrell
11. Jonny May
12. Kyle Eastmond
13. Manu Tuilagi
14. Marland Yarde
15. Mike Brown
16. Rob Webber
17. Mako Vunipola
18. Kieran Brookes
19. Dave Attwood
20. Billy Vunipola
21. Ben Youngs
22. George Ford
23. Luther Burrell
Tough calls at 8, 11 and 12. I think Eastmond should play as he brings something new and I worry Farrell, Burrell and Manu was too one dimensional. Tough on Luther but Eastmond is the best player in the league and was excellent in NZ. Morgan and Billy V is a coin toss for me. May has the X factor and I think he should stay involved. Although suspect I might be in the minority.
With Corbs, T.Youngs, Cole,Parling, Haskell, Dickson, Ashton and Foden all to come in if needed we are in a decent place. Just need some results to go with the performances.
1. Joe Marler
2. Dylan Hartley
3. David Wilson
4. Courtney Lawes
5. Joe Launchbury
6. Tom Wood
7. Chris Robshaw
8. Ben Morgan
9. Danny Care
10. Owen Farrell
11. Jonny May
12. Kyle Eastmond
13. Manu Tuilagi
14. Marland Yarde
15. Mike Brown
16. Rob Webber
17. Mako Vunipola
18. Kieran Brookes
19. Dave Attwood
20. Billy Vunipola
21. Ben Youngs
22. George Ford
23. Luther Burrell
Tough calls at 8, 11 and 12. I think Eastmond should play as he brings something new and I worry Farrell, Burrell and Manu was too one dimensional. Tough on Luther but Eastmond is the best player in the league and was excellent in NZ. Morgan and Billy V is a coin toss for me. May has the X factor and I think he should stay involved. Although suspect I might be in the minority.
With Corbs, T.Youngs, Cole,Parling, Haskell, Dickson, Ashton and Foden all to come in if needed we are in a decent place. Just need some results to go with the performances.
Steven_Sharks- Posts : 7528
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Re: Season 7 Homepage III
How do we rate Alex Lewington? Pete, Nick? Is he in anyone's squad?
Steven_Sharks- Posts : 7528
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I had him and let him go. Thought someone picked him up.
LukeLovesLuka- Posts : 5865
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Age : 40
Location : London
Re: Season 7 Homepage III
He's a good player Steve, and I saw that Brian Smith was bigging him up in England terms. He's not at that level for me. He's a good AP player, who has the potential to improve and will score tries at that level, but I'm not convinced that he'll ever go on to be an international.
Ozzy3213- Moderator
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The one thing I'd say about Morgan is that he looks very good at times during the game as great ball carrier and very dynamic but he seems to go missing during games at times a bit, think he gives more of an impact than BV would from the bench as can realyl up the tempo after BV has worn down the defence.
Do really rate Robshaw, but he isn't a natural no7 when you compare him to the likes of McCaw, Pocock and we can struggle a bit getting ball against those - good example was when he came up against Hooper too. I do think he has played well last 2-3 games as well - just that Quins haven't really started firing yet.
Do really rate Robshaw, but he isn't a natural no7 when you compare him to the likes of McCaw, Pocock and we can struggle a bit getting ball against those - good example was when he came up against Hooper too. I do think he has played well last 2-3 games as well - just that Quins haven't really started firing yet.
dammit_chris- Posts : 8685
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I'd start Billy too Chris, I think he grinds teams down.
Only issues I've got with that team Steve is Eastmond who I'm unsold on and May who should be nowhere near the squad imo.
Only issues I've got with that team Steve is Eastmond who I'm unsold on and May who should be nowhere near the squad imo.
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