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Post by George Carlin Tue 21 Oct 2014, 1:18 pm

Barbarians v Australia, 1 November Barbar11         Barbarians v Australia, 1 November Wallab11
Barbarians v Australia

For the Killick Cup
Twickenham Stadium
1 November 2014
KO: 14:30

Live on Sky Sports 2 HD

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Assistant referees: JP Doyle (England), Gregory Garner (England)
Television match official: Rowan Kitt (England)
Timekeeper: Roy Marfleet (England)
Assessor: Stephen Leyshon (England)

1. Barbarians
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Coach: John Kirwan

15 Tim Nanai Williams (Chiefs)
14 Frank Halai (Blues/NZ)
13 Juan de Jongh (Stormers/RSA)
12 Francis Saili (Blues/NZ)
11 Nick Cummins (West Red Sparks/Aus)
10 Colin Slade (Crusaders/NZ)
9 Tomas Cubelli (Belgrano/Arg)

1 Matt Stevens (Sharks/Eng)
2 James Parsons (Blues)
3 Angus Ta’avao (Blues)
4 Dominic Bird (Canterbury/NZ)
5 Alastair Kellock (Glasgow/Sco) (c)
6 Adam Thomson (Eagles/NZ)
7 Matt Todd (Crusaders/NZ)
8 Steven Luatua (Blues/NZ)

16 Mahonri Schwalger (Chiefs/Samoa)
17 Thomas Du Toit (Sharks)
18 Lourens Adriaanse (Sharks)
19 Heinrich Brussow (Cheetahs/RSA)
20 Matias Alemanno (La Tablada/Arg)
21 Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs)
22 Joaquin Tuculet (Grenoble/Arg)
23 Marnitz Boshoff (Golden Lions/RSA)

2. Australia
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Coach: Michael Cheika

1. Benn Robinson (NSW Waratahs)
2. Saia Fainga'a (Queensland Reds)
3. Ben Alexander (ACT Brumbies)
4. Sam Carter (ACT Brumbies)
5. James Horwill (Queensland Reds)
6. Scott Higginbotham (Melbourne Rebels)
7. Matt Hodgson (Western Force)
8. Ben McCalman (Western Force)

9. Will Genia (Queensland Reds)
10. Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds)
11. Rob Horne (NSW Waratahs)
12. Matt Toomua (ACT Brumbies)
13. Tevita Kuridrani (ACT Brumbies)
14. Henry Speight (ACT Brumbies)
15. Israel Folau (NSW Waratahs)

Reserves*
James Hanson (Queensland Reds)
James Slipper (Queensland Reds)
Sekope Kepu (NSW Waratahs)
Will Skelton (NSW Waratahs)
Sean McMahon (Melbourne Rebels)
Nic White (ACT Brumbies)
Bernard Foley (NSW Waratahs)
Christian Leali'ifano (ACT Brumbies)
Joe Tomane (ACT Brumbies)

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Post by Biltong Tue 21 Oct 2014, 1:34 pm

Interested to se Thomas du toit, he is a youngster but had some great scrumming perofrmances in the SUper XV.
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Post by maestegmafia Tue 21 Oct 2014, 1:40 pm

Are all baa baa autumn internationals to be played at twickenham these days?

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Post by The Saint Tue 21 Oct 2014, 6:28 pm

Nice preparation for the Wales game. We should have had another probables Vs possibles!

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Post by George Carlin Wed 29 Oct 2014, 2:20 pm

Well done to Big Al Kellock, who has just been named captain of the BaBas.
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Post by PenfroPete Wed 29 Oct 2014, 2:23 pm

I know that with the game structured as it now is it can't be done anymore, but I preferred it when the Baa's Baa's were effectively the Lions in disguise Crying or Very sad
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Post by yappysnap Wed 29 Oct 2014, 4:11 pm

What do we think cracking game of running rugby or another bore fest that makes stabbing a fork in your leg look exciting?

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Post by George Carlin Wed 29 Oct 2014, 4:25 pm

I'm not as down about Barbarians matches as some other people, Yappy.

It seems to have become fashionable to slate them, but that attitude bores the poop out of me, frankly. It still means something for the players to be selected and it still gives you a chance to see a game with international quality players just for the hell of it.

Besides, any game where they get to interview this gentleman afterwards is all right by me:

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Post by Cyril Wed 29 Oct 2014, 4:29 pm

It's a rather underwhelming Barbarians squad in terms of big names and star quality.

The timing of the game doesn't really help.

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Post by TobyBryant Wed 29 Oct 2014, 6:04 pm

Are you nuts? Or just out of touch. That baa baas team is packed with excitement. Tevita Lee, Frank Halai, the Honey Badger - worth the price of admission alone. This lot would take out most of the home nations without too many problems. If they can meld as a unit in front they'll cause the wallabies plenty of problems too. It's an excitement machine behind the scrum. With the explosive Luatua to act as a link - Personally I don't rate jk as a coach but it could be a good test of his skills.

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Post by George Carlin Wed 29 Oct 2014, 6:11 pm

I agree - you might think it's lacking in big stars but actually it's full of Super Rugby talent who may not yet be the incumbents for their national sides (there are 7 fringe All Blacks for a start) and I think will really go for it. Great exposure for them.
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Post by TobyBryant Wed 29 Oct 2014, 6:15 pm

Shame Kurtley Beale was unavailable for the baa baas, would've been good see him and Genia get a run.

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Post by Cyril Wed 29 Oct 2014, 6:59 pm

I'm not sure a raft of 'fringe' players is really what the Barabarians needs to redeem its (current) rather lowly reputation. Sure they're good players but we need something of the Harlem Globetrotters to renew interest.

ghostie, the Barbarians don't 'take out' many sides these days.

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Post by Biltong Wed 29 Oct 2014, 7:17 pm

The quality of the Barbarians should not be doubted, that is a very exciting backline, the back row is quality, and the tight five adequate against the Wallabies, it should be a very entertaining match
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Post by Cyril Wed 29 Oct 2014, 7:20 pm

I didn't say they weren't quality.

Good to see Matt Stevens getting a run out Smile

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Post by TobyBryant Wed 29 Oct 2014, 7:20 pm

What I'm suggesting is merely that your knowledge of genuine star players from beyond your shores may be preventing you from recognising the quality in that line up. Much like the people of Chicago are not recognising the NZ Blacks right now. I watch a lot of rugby and believe me you will be fawning over these same players when they are recruited as the marquee players at your domestic clubs.

It is a shame that the lack of depth in British rugby right now prevents enough quality plYers to field a more local team. But lucky the Giants of the South once again have a surplus!

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Post by Cyril Wed 29 Oct 2014, 7:25 pm

Yawn. Play another record ghost

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Post by offload Wed 29 Oct 2014, 7:27 pm

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Post by Taylorman Thu 30 Oct 2014, 1:14 am

Its a very raw side from an international perspective, the front five a bit of a scattergun look to it. The backs will have to make up with enthusiasm what they lack in experience though JK is at least probably his best in that area.

Definitely a side to entertain.

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Post by jimmyinthewell68 Thu 30 Oct 2014, 6:52 am

The Saint wrote:Nice preparation for the Wales game. We should have had another probables Vs possibles!

Exactly what Im thinking . Wales needs to play a weaker team first . We never play well the first game and again we ll get our arses handed on a plate . The Australia players will also want to impress the New coach . . You can train and train but nothing prepares you better then game time .

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Post by TobyBryant Thu 30 Oct 2014, 7:54 am

Yes. BaaBaas v Australia; a defacto NZ B really with 10 kiwi starters versus Australia; and NZ's historic clash at soldier field in front of the largest live American rugby audience precedes the "AIs".

Ever been to a restaurant and felt the starter was better than the main?

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Post by Biltong Thu 30 Oct 2014, 8:14 am

It is quite obvous that John Kirwan has decided this is not a Barbarian team, puts all the "other" nations on the bench.
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Post by TobyBryant Thu 30 Oct 2014, 8:15 am

He's a rubbish coach Biltong. Look at the resources he has in Auckland - and what he does with them. 12th, 11th, 10th.

Suspect the whole thing is an Nzru ploy to get more Kiwi players on the northern tour. Luatua, Slade,
halai - could all come in handy if there were say,
An injury to Mccaw or Carter doesn't stack up. (Which he won't)

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Post by Biltong Thu 30 Oct 2014, 8:21 am

I think he is scouting for Super XV players Wink
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Post by George Carlin Thu 30 Oct 2014, 7:46 pm

Wow. Henry Speight starts for the Wallabies.

Start of a new era - he's tremendous.
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Post by Pal Joey Thu 30 Oct 2014, 8:07 pm

Good news, George.

We need more of these mean looking be-bearded blokes willing to run through brick walls for the team. It's good to see Skelton on the bench too.

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Post by Taylorman Thu 30 Oct 2014, 9:13 pm

George Carlin wrote:Wow. Henry Speight starts for the Wallabies.

Start of a new era - he's tremendous.

Agree. Been waiting a long time to see Speight play the international scene. The one to watch for in this match, and indeed the entire AI's.

A class act with the ball.

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Post by yappysnap Thu 30 Oct 2014, 9:38 pm

Not keen on Toomua at 12, think he'll kill most of the attacking ball that Oz generate.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Thu 30 Oct 2014, 9:47 pm

George Carlin wrote:Wow. Henry Speight starts for the Wallabies.

Start of a new era - he's tremendous.
Would have loved to have seen him in a Fijian team. Sad

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Post by TobyBryant Fri 31 Oct 2014, 8:16 am

Is Cheika desperately trying to get game time for the overlooked Genia and Cooper whom he prefers as his first choice pivot compatriots or is he merely resting his first choice players and buying into the fun and spectacle of what should be one of the fastest,
Openest, exciting and flowing games at twickenham since the crusader and sharks played?

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Post by Notch Fri 31 Oct 2014, 8:24 am

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Wow. Henry Speight starts for the Wallabies.

Start of a new era - he's tremendous.
Would have loved to have seen him in a Fijian team. Sad

That. Would have been special. Imagine Fiji vs Tonga with Henry Speight in one back line and Malakai Fekitoa in the other! I'd pay to see that. I suppose Jared Payne could be the water boy?
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Post by TobyBryant Fri 31 Oct 2014, 8:30 am

Notch wrote:
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George Carlin wrote:Wow. Henry Speight starts for the Wallabies.

Start of a new era - he's tremendous.
Would have loved to have seen him in a Fijian team. Sad

That. Would have been special. Imagine Fiji vs Tonga with Henry Speight in one back line and Malakai Fekitoa in the other! I'd pay to see that. I suppose Jared Payne could be the water boy?

Or either against Samoa featuring the Vunipolas and tuilagis !

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Post by Notch Fri 31 Oct 2014, 8:33 am

Now you're talking... I tell you, I'd rather watch the Pacific Islanders play each other even without those lads than New Zealand vs Australia any day. I'm  just so bored of watching New Zealand vs Australia. Didn't they play another Bledisloe game again recently? I mean after the Rugby Championship?

What a snooze! Come to think of it, the only games in the Rugby Championship I actually have any interest in are the ones featuring Argentina. Sometimes I watch South Africa vs New Zealand and think 'Yes, that is a perfect demonstration of how rugby at the highest level should be played. And no, I haven't taken enough notice of it to be able to name a single thing about it that I found interesting'
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Post by TobyBryant Fri 31 Oct 2014, 8:43 am

Yes, it's boring how they keep moving the ball around and running up and down - quite dizzying. I guess both unions will be working on more rolling mauls, scrum resets, "injury" breaks, line out planning meetings and kicks at goal - that's what the punters stump up their cash to see!

Also they need to focus on making the result a foregone conclusion after 60 minutes and focusing on one team trying to stay within 7 points whilst the other slows the game to a crawl to prevent any further tries being scored - that's a skill both sorely lack.

We can but hope that this is encouraged at next years RWC by a spate of unnecessarily pedantic refereeing and insistence on involving the TMO after every phase!

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Post by TobyBryant Sat 01 Nov 2014, 2:30 pm

Look - a team full of Southern Hemisphere players hearing God Save the Queen as their anthem - this is just like and england game!

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Post by wales606 Sat 01 Nov 2014, 2:45 pm

Loving the Baabaas plays,

We've seen the 13 man lineout before, but not the NFL lineout throw or he bicycle kick - which was so nearly a first try.
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Post by wales606 Sat 01 Nov 2014, 2:46 pm

Barbarians look class for the first time for years - Colin Slade organising very well behind, and i'm a big fan of the Argentinian SH
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Post by The Saint Sat 01 Nov 2014, 2:59 pm

Genia and Cooper look as if they've missed a lot of rugby... Hope they don't hit some of their usual outstanding form for Australia's next game...

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Post by GLove39 Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:01 pm

A fine run from the ruck inspector in the build up to that try!

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Post by Welly Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:01 pm

Great to watch a Barbarians team play like this.

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Post by wales606 Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:02 pm

Enjoying the game,

this is how the Baabaas should be picked - a bunch of young wanabees and a few old heads, no just a bunch of bored has-beens
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Post by Welly Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:04 pm

wales606 wrote:Enjoying the game,

this is how the Baabaas should be picked - a bunch of young wanabees and a few old heads, no just a bunch of bored has-beens


 Agreed every player in the Baabaas team has point to prove and are playing like it.

 That's how it need to be in the pro era. imo.

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Post by Biltong Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:17 pm

Great game, Aussies can't ask for better preparation for this tour.
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Post by TobyBryant Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:39 pm

Kurindrani is becoming a bit of a star for the Aussies.

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Post by George Carlin Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:44 pm

Glad I annoyed my wife by turning this on. Great fun.
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Post by Poorfour Sat 01 Nov 2014, 3:47 pm

Aussies are looking dangerous in attack but decidedly vulnerable in defence. Speight looks very handy, though.

Some stunning offloads from the BaaBaas - especially for a scratch side.
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Post by Welly Sat 01 Nov 2014, 4:02 pm

Was nice while it lasted.

 Looking forward to the Tiger game Tuesday.

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Post by Welly Sat 01 Nov 2014, 4:12 pm

What a try great to watch

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Post by wales606 Sat 01 Nov 2014, 4:12 pm

There's still a chance!

That's all the Baabaas need!
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Post by TobyBryant Sat 01 Nov 2014, 4:12 pm

Oh that last Bb try pips the "try from the end of the world". Fantastic.

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