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Post by rob-glos Thu 13 Nov 2014, 11:18 am

So.....

http://www.matchroomboxing.com/news/statement-ricky-burns/

Turns out Frank has taken another pasting in the courts....

And another liquidated company that owes a boxer money.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Thu 13 Nov 2014, 11:46 am

What a suprise

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Post by Derbymanc Thu 13 Nov 2014, 12:00 pm

Why does any boxer stay with a promoter that does this? and surely someone should be looking into why people can get away with liquidating a company to avoid paying someone what they're rightly owed.

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Post by Rowley Thu 13 Nov 2014, 12:00 pm

Beyond contempt. I don’t expect any promoter to be an angel, nice guys would last about two minutes in the business, but for me ripping off the fighters who risk life and limb (literally) for our entertainment is shameful. I hope Burns gets every penny he is owed and the board actually show some backbone and back him in pursuit of his outstanding funds.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Thu 13 Nov 2014, 12:02 pm

I agree rowley cant see burns getting his money though

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Post by superflyweight Thu 13 Nov 2014, 12:15 pm

Frank Warren has lost his £2m claim against Ricky Burns. The Judge dismissed his claim as “fanciful” and said that it bore “no relation to reality”.

Are we sure that Strongy isn't Frank Warren?

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Post by Rowley Thu 13 Nov 2014, 12:30 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Frank Warren has lost his £2m claim against Ricky Burns. The Judge dismissed his claim as “fanciful” and said that it bore “no relation to reality”.

Are we sure that Strongy isn't Frank Warren?

When I read the statement I assumed Warren had you representing him Super.

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Post by superflyweight Thu 13 Nov 2014, 12:32 pm

You can be very hurtful at times, jeff.

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Post by jimdig Thu 13 Nov 2014, 1:28 pm

Frank up to his old tricks again. Witholding purses, crazy counter claims so that the boxer is scared of going broke. Liquidating rather than paying and flat out lying in court. Classic frank.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Thu 13 Nov 2014, 2:00 pm

For all the criticism of eddie at least he pays fighters

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Post by Strongback Thu 13 Nov 2014, 7:51 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Frank Warren has lost his £2m claim against Ricky Burns. The Judge dismissed his claim as “fanciful” and said that it bore “no relation to reality”.

Are we sure that Strongy isn't Frank Warren?


A bit one sided the report in the OP although this is hardly surprising as Matchroom wrote it. Burns was ordered to pay Warren £73k for walking away from his contract with Warren. The judge didn't go with Warren's claim for £2 million.


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Post by Strongback Thu 13 Nov 2014, 7:52 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:For all the criticism of eddie at least he pays fighters


Barry Hearn is no angel and he has had a judge calling him a shyster and the like,

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Post by catchweight Thu 13 Nov 2014, 8:37 pm

Vintage Warren

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Post by wheelchair1991 Thu 13 Nov 2014, 8:57 pm

Warren has released a statement basically claiming the complete opposite to matchrooms press relese

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Post by catchweight Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:04 pm

More Vintage Warren

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Post by Rowley Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:04 pm

There is a link to the full determination in the article. Quite easy to read it all and make your own mind up.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:17 pm

Strongy, are you having difficulty reading again?

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Post by Dipper Brown Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:28 pm

Warren's statement loses credibility when it says 'Burns career crashed after joining Eddie Hearn'. What's that got to do with the price of fish? Spiteful and short sighted.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:40 pm

It also loses credibility when the judge calls his evidence fanciful

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Post by catchweight Thu 13 Nov 2014, 10:05 pm

The ruling still doesnt seem to do much for Burns. He doesnt get paid the money he is owed because of a liquidation and then has to pay an extra 73k in fees to Warren?

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Post by tunes666 Thu 13 Nov 2014, 10:50 pm

Strongback wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
Frank Warren has lost his £2m claim against Ricky Burns. The Judge dismissed his claim as “fanciful” and said that it bore “no relation to reality”.

Are we sure that Strongy isn't Frank Warren?


A bit one sided the report in the OP although this is hardly surprising as Matchroom wrote it.  Burns was ordered to pay Warren £73k for walking away from his contract with Warren.  The judge didn't go with Warren's claim for £2 million.  


I agree, sounds like Warren knew he was owed management fee's so did not pay Burns his Fight fee, I imagine Burns was putting pressure on Warren for his money so Warren tried it on to see what he could get in court..


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Post by tunes666 Thu 13 Nov 2014, 10:56 pm

here is a more balanced report.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/30045000

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Post by hazharrison Thu 13 Nov 2014, 11:20 pm

Shocking if Burns isn't paid the £102k yet is made to pay back £73k as a result of some dodgy "side agreement".

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Post by Rowley Fri 14 Nov 2014, 7:30 am

Think if you sue someone for 2 million quid and come out with seventy odd grand and in the course of doing this give a high court judge cause to describe you as unreliable, unrealistic and fanciful as well as describing the evidence you present to the court as shockingly poor it takes remarkable chutzpah to present that as a win.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Fri 14 Nov 2014, 7:56 am

Old frank has done it though

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Post by Guest Fri 14 Nov 2014, 8:48 am

Rowley wrote:Think if you sue someone for 2 million quid and come out with seventy odd grand and in the course of doing this give a high court judge cause to describe you  as unreliable, unrealistic and fanciful as well as describing the evidence you present to the court as shockingly poor it takes remarkable chutzpah to present that as a win.
Sounds like the OJ SImpson trial


Anyway, here's my favourite bit, "Warren had argued that, as a result, he had lost £1.8m in profits that would have been made from three further title defences by Burns." Struggling to see how Burns generates that kind of interest outside of Scotland let alone nearly £2million, unless Frank had a "Buckfast and deep fried anything" franchise at the venues

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Post by trottb Fri 14 Nov 2014, 9:33 am

It's a bit of a shambles that a company, who have been put into administration to avoid paying, money are allowed to claim back funds from a fighter. I'd have no problem with the above if it were the administrators were claiming the funds, but they're not, Frank is.
Admittedly, I may be reading this wrong..

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Post by Guest Fri 14 Nov 2014, 9:35 am

You're clearly reading this wrong...much like Warren when he sued Don King for £3million, ended up paying Don a £1 million and claimed it was a real victory

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Post by Mayweathers cellmate Fri 14 Nov 2014, 2:12 pm

trottb wrote:It's a bit of a shambles that a company, who have been put into administration to avoid paying,  money are allowed to claim back funds from a fighter. I'd have no problem with the above if it were the administrators were claiming the funds, but they're not, Frank is.
Admittedly, I may be reading this wrong..

I think that was why frank and his son cooked up the 50/50 promotional 'agreement' between FWP and Queensbury. With FWP in administraion Queensbury could still have claimed half of the £1.8m from "administrators appointed by Frank Warren’s wife."

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Post by gsd5cc0 Fri 14 Nov 2014, 11:10 pm

Dave I would love to argue against your use of blatant stereotyping of scottish people but I really do love a bottle of buckfast.

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