JJ is off to Northampton.

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Bad news for Munster fans.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/jj-hanrahan-is-set-to-leave-munster-for-northampton-1.2031807

LondonTiger wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:BTW from what I've seen of Myler he isn't especially good at thinking on his feet if things need changing, so maybe Mallinder is looking for a player to come off the bench with a load of instructions in his ear and the skills to execute them.

Myler is, for me, hugely under-rated because he is not flashy. I think you are completely and utterly wrong to say he is incapable of doing things differently and changing tack during a game. I saw him do that a number of times last season. Sure it does not involve suddenly becoming a big running threat, but it is a case of changing his kicking and passing plans. A young player, currently nbo more than a bench-warmer, will not be taking his place in a hurry.

I would be amazed if Saints actually offered Hanrahan any more the £100k. What his agent leaks to Irish press is another matter entirely.

Thanks for saving me the need to type too much here, mate. For those of us who see Myler regularly appreciate exactly the quality he brings to the game. He is a very good player.

I see Gerry Thornley has gone from "JJ Hanrahan is set to leave Munster for Northampton" to "Munster now favourites to retain JJ Hanrahan’s services".

MunsterMac wrote:I see Gerry Thornley has gone from "JJ Hanrahan is set to leave Munster for Northampton" to "Munster now favourites to retain JJ Hanrahan’s services".

Thats good news. I do think the whole thing was contrived. Its a debate for another day but it wont do him any harm. Its raised his profile and it puts a bit of pressure on Foley to play him more.

Like I said earlier 9 out of 10 Munster supporters would prefer him starting on Sunday ahead of Keatley.

BlueMuff wrote:

Like I said earlier 9 out of 10 Munster supporters would prefer him starting on Sunday ahead of Keatley.

Well then JJ is up against a brick wall so, because if 9 out of 10 Munster supporters (and sundry Provincialists from other Provinces! ) would prefer JJ starting on Sunday - and if Foley feels that pressure and relents - then JJ has a big burden on his shoulders to prove all the transfer market pricing was a genuine figure for genuine quality.
His agent has declared him to be worth it. If he gets his chance now he'll feel overly compelled to prove it - which might be a good thing or a disasterous thing.
It truly wasn't the best time for his agent to start babbling. He should have waited a week.

Fly I dont think the pressure is an issue. He has natural talent and skills. He is a beautiful runner with ball in hand and always lets off sublime passes into space at just the right time.

He is has a solid kicking game and decent defence. He plays right up on the gameline and is a super attacking player that can create something from nothing.

Saying that hes not perfect and prone to an aul brain fart everynow and again but unless he gets to play week in week out he wont get the chance to iron out these issues.

I'm just saying that if he plays at the weekend, it will be a game with more ideas in his head than just playing the game as best he can. He can't help but be influenced by the circus that has gone on around his name this week. If he's played, then that truth becomes another facotr in any performances he has. He certainly knows the journalists would be watching with pens ready...so that IS more pressure than usual.

But of course, if he plays, I hope he has a blinder

All true. Look Munster are up against it on Sunday and most (myself included) think a losing BP is as good as it will get.

It could be the absolute annoucement of his arrival if something miraculous were to come off.

It seems Northampton really want him. According to a very reliable poster on Munsterfans, Northampton were coming next Monday to sign the deal.

JJ has now got 2nd thoughts (Mick Galwey had a word with him) and it seems that Northampton will hold off signing anyone else as long as Munster don't sign him.

It looks like Northampton plan on recruiting a new outhalf anyway.

Ah, I see more genuine hope than that. Murray said it right...Clermont were ready for everything Munster threw at them...and we all know why probably. But that was a little naive of Munster to not pre-empt what Clermont themselves were thinking about how Munster might play.

Anyway, a more forceful 80 from Munster. The auld mad dog ferocity from them and having a nice day (close on the scoreboard but still nice) isn't beyond them. To bully or be bullied is I suppose the moral of the day as to which side wins.

If last Saturday should have thought Munster anything it's that going forward we have to have a couple of viable alternative gameplans.

Given that Munster's Plan A is to bish-bost the opposition into submission and take it from there if they come up against a motivated, equally physical team they will tend to flounder.

I'm reminded of that WC match in (I think) 1999 when the epitome of physical rugby, South Africa met a tough England side and decided the easiest way to beat them was to drop-kick them into submission.

If you can't go through them it helps to have a plan to go over or around them.

To have an alternative plan, you need the personnel to implement it.

Well we may not have the most inventive or incisive backline in the world but it's far from the worst either given we have players like Zebo, Conway, Keatley, VDH, JJ and Jones.

JJ and Keatley are also top notch drop goal takers and along with Murray, Jones and Zebo we should have a top quality 'out of hand' game as well.

Well there you go he is starting at 12 on Sunday.

BlueMuff wrote:Well there you go he is starting at 12 on Sunday.

Takes a great player to usurp Dennis Hurley after conceding a 3 week headstart.

MunsterMac wrote:Well we may not have the most inventive or incisive backline in the world but it's far from the worst either given we have players like Zebo, Conway, Keatley, VDH, JJ and Jones.

JJ and Keatley are also top notch drop goal takers and along with Murray, Jones and Zebo we should have a top quality 'out of hand' game as well.

Wings are fine, the problem is in the centre and with Andrew Smith out injured for last week, its hardly surprising that sticking JJ in at 12 (a position he hasn't played in for about 2 years) alongside Pat Howard who is barely off the plane and with 20 mins under his belt in Northern Hemisphere rugby would have been a bit of concern for the Munster coaching staff.

While you are all deeply worried about JJ's usurping Keatley, its worth remembering that Ian Keatley is out of contract at the end of the season as well and I for one hope he stays.

Be interesting to see what happens with Olver if the deal goes through. He's a talented young ten who probably won't be that chuffed to be fourth choice for another season. He may well have expected to have been promoted up the ladder with Glen Dickson leaving. Will Hooley might not be that happy being knocked down to third choice again either.

Given that Bath, Tigers, Sarries, Exeter all have tens starting regularly aged 24 or under. With Glaws, Wasps, Tigers, Bath and Newcastle all featuring one on the bench as well. Might decide there's more options elsewhere.

While you are all deeply worried about JJ's usurping Keatley, its worth remembering that Ian Keatley is out of contract at the end of the season as well and I for one hope he stays.

I'd have no problem with Keatley staying as long as it's as back up for an international class out half.

I've been saying since ROG retired that we'll win nothing with Keatley as our first choice 10.

JJ Has been selected to start v Clermont. Aparently Keatley's agent is on the phone to Northampton.

He will have his work cut out marking Fofana.

MunsterMac wrote:

While you are all deeply worried about JJ's usurping Keatley, its worth remembering that Ian Keatley is out of contract at the end of the season as well and I for one hope he stays.

I'd have no problem with Keatley staying as long as it's as back up for an international class out half.

I've been saying since ROG retired that we'll win nothing with Keatley as our first choice 10.

We need an OHs to cover for JJ when his groin problems return because he is playing too much.

Strange that there is no Munster Clermont thread. Anyway, JJ was excellent yesterday and so were Munster for about 20 minutes and then Clermont's pack woke up and completely bossed the breakdown and set piece.

Was disapointing and follows a worrying trend where the Irish provinces and national team are struggling in the set piece.

good summary GG. POM was getting isolated at times but had a good game as well as TOD I thought (Copeland was a bit of a liability when he came on though). The breakdown battle was a bit of a draw in my opninion but its true that that minster scrum did suffer a bit (their line out was better than last week). Keatley at 10 and JJ at 12 seems to work nicely.

Wasnt too impressed with TO'D. He seemed fairly ineffective. Clermont were very well organised in defense. They were well able to anticipate all Munster's back moves and snuff them out with well timed shooters. Love watching Aurelian Rougerie. Still a great player IMO.

Camille Lopez had a fairly good game despite some bad kicks. He looks set to nail down the France 10 slot. Nice try from Nakaitaci, I wonder if he will get any more caps for France. Seems a shame to cap a Fijian and then not use him.

am sure Nakaitaci will eventually get more caps as he has 3 things that Huget doesnt have : he can kick (with a long range), defends pretty well and can also play centre.
Nice display from both set of supporters who took part in an organized walk before the game between the city center and the stadium (4000 including 800 munstermen)

whocares wrote:
Nice display from both set of supporters who took part in an organized walk before the game between the city center and the stadium (4000 including 800 munstermen)

Oh that was nice. Christians being walked to the Coloseum

Agree with Guns, Hanrahan was like a firework went off in a rush of colour then somewhat disappointingly fizzled out. Would have liked to see more of him in the second half as the game became tight. That's when Munster needed a line break or a piece of attacking magic.

Couple of things to note

1. The breakdown - fierce battle all day long with lots of turnovers on both teams. TOD was responsible for at least 2 turnovers.

2. Scrum - we were beaten up in the second half but in fairness John Ryan is third choice LH and has not played much this season or at this level. He was out on his feet. James Cronin is the best LH we have to scrum down and was a huge loss. Bright future for him when you consider Jack McGrath just cant scrummage at all.

3. JJ some moments of brilliance but got isolated and turnover once to often. This will be rectified with more game time. I would prefer to see him at 10 with Keatley at 12.

4. We were never going to beat possibly the best team in Europe so to be down by 17 points with 6 minutes to go and get a BP is incredible. The attitude and spirit of Munster is alive and well.

5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

BlueMuff wrote:Couple of things to note

1. The breakdown - fierce battle all day long with lots of turnovers on both teams. TOD was responsible for at least 2 turnovers.

2. Scrum - we were beaten up in the second half but in fairness John Ryan is third choice LH and has not played much this season or at this level. He was out on his feet. James Cronin is the best LH we have to scrum down and was a huge loss. Bright future for him when you consider Jack McGrath just cant scrummage at all.

3. JJ some moments of brilliance but got isolated and turnover once to often. This will be rectified with more game time. I would prefer to see him at 10 with Keatley at 12.

4. We were never going to beat possibly the best team in Europe so to be down by 17 points with 6 minutes to go and get a BP is incredible. The attitude and spirit of Munster is alive and well.

5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

Possibly a little fortunate that Lopez had an off day with the boot too.

Munster started bright but lost their way. I think they will be disapointed that they couldnt push on from their dominance in the opening 20 minutes. Muster pack got bossed around in the end and that was the difference.

It was also really poor defending from TOD and possibly POM (not sure???) who was outside TOD for Nakaitaci's soft try.

That is a bit unfair on McGrath. He has proven he can not only scrummage but scrummage very well (he was putting pressure on Healy not to long ago).

It is well known he is carrying an injury of some sort and is being forced to play almost entire games back to back for some reason.

GunsGerms wrote:Wasnt too impressed with TO'D. He seemed fairly ineffective. Clermont were very well organised in defense. They were well able to anticipate all Munster's back moves and snuff them out with well timed shooters. Love watching Aurelian Rougerie. Still a great player IMO.

Camille Lopez had a fairly good game despite some bad kicks. He looks set to nail down the France 10 slot. Nice try from Nakaitaci, I wonder if he will get any more caps for France. Seems a shame to cap a Fijian and then not use him.

Very strange comment about TOD, who seemed to be everywhere. For me he had a very good game, he has a massive work rate and I think he deserves a chance at for Ireland.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Wasnt too impressed with TO'D. He seemed fairly ineffective. Clermont were very well organised in defense. They were well able to anticipate all Munster's back moves and snuff them out with well timed shooters. Love watching Aurelian Rougerie. Still a great player IMO.

Camille Lopez had a fairly good game despite some bad kicks. He looks set to nail down the France 10 slot. Nice try from Nakaitaci, I wonder if he will get any more caps for France. Seems a shame to cap a Fijian and then not use him.

Very strange comment about TOD, who seemed to be everywhere. For me he had a very good game, he has a massive work rate and I think he deserves a chance at for Ireland.

Yea, think he was Munster's top tackler, top 3 carriers (with 3rd most metres after Jones & Zebo) and won I think two turnovers.

He was picked out by the French press as one of the top Munster performers (with POC, POM, Keatley & JJ).
He also made the score.ie Irish team of the week.

Look at the replay of Clermont's second half try. TOD didnt make much of an effort in defense. It was actually quite a soft try.

BlueMuff wrote:5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

Don't think this is 'almost impossible' at all - did you see the Sale games? But for some incredible naivete, Sale could have won both games and Saracens were not at all impressive other than winning when playing poorly. Munster will not be that naive and an away win is very achievable.

The Great Aukster wrote:

BlueMuff wrote:5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

Don't think this is 'almost impossible' at all - did you see the Sale games? But for some incredible naivete, Sale could have won both games and Saracens were not at all impressive other than winning when playing poorly. Munster will not be that naive and an away win is very achievable.

Is this the same Sale that Munster barely beat in the opening pool game? Maybe Saracens shouldn't be belittled for the way they won, and instead Sale commended for being more competitive than everyone thought they would be in the games.

MichaelT wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:

BlueMuff wrote:5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

Don't think this is 'almost impossible' at all - did you see the Sale games? But for some incredible naivete, Sale could have won both games and Saracens were not at all impressive other than winning when playing poorly. Munster will not be that naive and an away win is very achievable.

Is this the same Sale that Munster barely beat in the opening pool game? Maybe Saracens shouldn't be belittled for the way they won, and instead Sale commended for being more competitive than everyone thought they would be in the games.

Munster are slow starters - lost to Edinburgh in the first game the season before. Winning away to Sale was a good result for us in a first game!

Sin é wrote:

MichaelT wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:

BlueMuff wrote:5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

Don't think this is 'almost impossible' at all - did you see the Sale games? But for some incredible naivete, Sale could have won both games and Saracens were not at all impressive other than winning when playing poorly. Munster will not be that naive and an away win is very achievable.

Is this the same Sale that Munster barely beat in the opening pool game? Maybe Saracens shouldn't be belittled for the way they won, and instead Sale commended for being more competitive than everyone thought they would be in the games.

Munster are slow starters - lost to Edinburgh in the first game the season before. Winning away to Sale was a good result for us in a first game!

I accept that. Still don't think its fair to say Saracens were unimpressive when beating Sale, and Munster could beat Saracens because of it. Especially as Munster struggled there too.

Anyway, is the last Munster game v Sale at Thomond? Echoes of 2006. That was a great game. Listened to it on the radio on the bus back from Shannon, then watched Chabel getting some of his own medicine. Ah, memories, in the corner of my mind...

MichaelT wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:

BlueMuff wrote:5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

Don't think this is 'almost impossible' at all - did you see the Sale games? But for some incredible naivete, Sale could have won both games and Saracens were not at all impressive other than winning when playing poorly. Munster will not be that naive and an away win is very achievable.

Is this the same Sale that Munster barely beat in the opening pool game? Maybe Saracens shouldn't be belittled for the way they won, and instead Sale commended for being more competitive than everyone thought they would be in the games.

Point well made Michael. I think Sale deserve a lot of credit for remaining competitive when really nothing to play for.

For me the game hinged on 2 critical incidents.

The first was when Keatley just failed to get that pass away before Rougerie tackled him.

Had that pass gone out it was a certain try with Munster having 3 on 1.

10-0 would have been an interesting scoreline after 10 minutes.

The second (and this does my head in!!) was just before the 1st Clermont try (18th minute) when they were camped in the Munster 22 and Murray had the opportunity to clear the ball into touch and give his team a breather after a few minutes of solid defending.

Instead he kept the ball in play and Clermont came straight up the field and scored their first try.

Why not kick the ball dead!?! He was inside his own 22 and given the situation there wasn't any possibility of anyone chasing the kick.

Even if he didn't gain all that much ground it would have given Munster a chance to slow the game down and regroup.

After a solid, dominant first 20 from Munster that first Clermont try changed the game and it was mostly downhill from there.

MunsterMac wrote:The second (and this does my head in!!) was just before the 1st Clermont try (18th minute) when they were camped in the Munster 22 and Murray had the opportunity to clear the ball into touch and give his team a breather after a few minutes of solid defending.

Instead he kept the ball in play and Clermont came straight up the field and scored their first try.

Why not kick the ball dead!?! He was inside his own 22 and given the situation there wasn't any possibility of anyone chasing the kick.

Even if he didn't gain all that much ground it would have given Munster a chance to slow the game down and regroup.

I'd imagine the tactic was to turn the big Cermont pack around rather than just concede the lineout and allow Clermont to launch another attack.

I think what was obvious over two games is that Munster were physically outmatched by Clermont and did exceptionally well to pick up two losing bonus points. But for the intercept Munster could well have lost by 20 odd points and would be dead and buried.

Unfortunately can't see Munster beating Sarries, in fact I think Sarries may pip Clermont.

None of the Irish provinces have the fire power this year unfortunatley - the set pieces have been taken apart over the last 2 weeks and you can count the line breaks on 2 hands across the 3 teams - take Ulster v Scarlets at Ravenhill and you could count them on one.

Reality check time I think. Munster have most to be positive about, even if Leinster may sneak a QF.

MichaelT wrote: Anyway, is the last Munster game v Sale at Thomond? Echoes of 2006. That was a great game. Listened to it on the radio on the bus back from Shannon, then watched Chabel getting some of his own medicine. Ah, memories, in the corner of my mind...

have to say that those restarts by ROG were a thing of beauty. ball spending plenty of time in the air and by the time it landed in Chabal hands POC and his boys were already driving him inside his own 22. splendid stuff.

rodders wrote:

MunsterMac wrote:The second (and this does my head in!!) was just before the 1st Clermont try (18th minute) when they were camped in the Munster 22 and Murray had the opportunity to clear the ball into touch and give his team a breather after a few minutes of solid defending.

Instead he kept the ball in play and Clermont came straight up the field and scored their first try.

Why not kick the ball dead!?! He was inside his own 22 and given the situation there wasn't any possibility of anyone chasing the kick.

Even if he didn't gain all that much ground it would have given Munster a chance to slow the game down and regroup.

I'd imagine the tactic was to turn the big Cermont pack around rather than just concede the lineout and allow Clermont to launch another attack.

Correct Munstermac in the frustration at that incomplete tactic!  And Correct Rodders in the kinda gameplan Munster were operating on.

But the rule of turning a side around by kicking behind them is to make the tactic an honest one by furious team-wide chasing.  And like Munstermac said, sometimes the kicks pre-empted a theoretical chase but .................. zilch.  It's pointless doing one without the other.  And even the turnaround policy threat itself doesn't work on the opposition when they realise the chasing isn't honest and consistent.  The bulk of the opposition just wait for their 15 to collect the ball and bring it back to them offensively.
Ireland played the Munster tactic (incomplete) a lot under Kidney and paid the price.  Under Schmidt we still use it but he commands that lungs are used honestly to at least give the tactic some possibilities of being effective.

MichaelT wrote:

Sin é wrote:

MichaelT wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:

BlueMuff wrote:5. We are just about still in the competition on life support and have an almost impossible ask of beating Sarries away to stand a chance of qualifying.

Don't think this is 'almost impossible' at all - did you see the Sale games? But for some incredible naivete, Sale could have won both games and Saracens were not at all impressive other than winning when playing poorly. Munster will not be that naive and an away win is very achievable.

Is this the same Sale that Munster barely beat in the opening pool game? Maybe Saracens shouldn't be belittled for the way they won, and instead Sale commended for being more competitive than everyone thought they would be in the games.

Munster are slow starters - lost to Edinburgh in the first game the season before. Winning away to Sale was a good result for us in a first game!

I accept that. Still don't think its fair to say Saracens were unimpressive when beating Sale, and Munster could beat Saracens because of it. Especially as Munster struggled there too.

Anyway, is the last Munster game v Sale at Thomond? Echoes of 2006. That was a great game. Listened to it on the radio on the bus back from Shannon, then watched Chabel getting some of his own medicine. Ah, memories, in the corner of my mind...

I thought Sale were excellent when we were away to them and a good win for Munster.

Correct Munstermac in the frustration at that incomplete tactic!  And Correct Rodders in the kinda gameplan Munster were operating on.

But the rule of turning a side around by kicking behind them is to make the tactic an honest one by furious team-wide chasing.  And like Munstermac said, sometimes the kicks pre-empted a theoretical chase but .................. zilch.  It's pointless doing one without the other.  And even the turnaround policy threat itself doesn't work on the opposition when they realise the chasing isn't honest and consistent.  The bulk of the opposition just wait for their 15 to collect the ball and bring it back to them offensively.
Ireland played the Munster tactic (incomplete) a lot under Kidney and paid the price.  Under Schmidt we still use it but he commands that lungs are used honestly to at least give the tactic some possibilities of being effective.

Given that the kick came from 2nd phase off of Jones's intercept in the corner and the fact that it was a fine long kick there was never any chance that there was going to be any kind of effective kick chase.

The fact that it was such a good kick made it all the more frustrating that he didn't get it into the crowd.

Regardless of game plans or tactics sometimes the ball needs to go dead especially when playing a good side away from home.

MunsterMac wrote:

Correct Munstermac in the frustration at that incomplete tactic!  And Correct Rodders in the kinda gameplan Munster were operating on.

But the rule of turning a side around by kicking behind them is to make the tactic an honest one by furious team-wide chasing.  And like Munstermac said, sometimes the kicks pre-empted a theoretical chase but .................. zilch.  It's pointless doing one without the other.  And even the turnaround policy threat itself doesn't work on the opposition when they realise the chasing isn't honest and consistent.  The bulk of the opposition just wait for their 15 to collect the ball and bring it back to them offensively.
Ireland played the Munster tactic (incomplete) a lot under Kidney and paid the price.  Under Schmidt we still use it but he commands that lungs are used honestly to at least give the tactic some possibilities of being effective.

Given that the kick came from 2nd phase off of Jones's intercept in the corner and the fact that it was a fine long kick there was never any chance that there was going to be any kind of effective kick chase.

The fact that it was such a good kick made it all the more frustrating that he didn't get it into the crowd.

Regardless of game plans or tactics sometimes the ball needs to go dead especially when playing a good side away from home.

I don't think it was meant to go dead though... so you go back to why the kick?

Like I said, it happened with Ireland a few years back a lot. I remember myself shouting time and time again to put it out and give us a breather............ but nope, they often and purposefully went long but clearly in and nothing chasing to capitalise. And I remember people in the media often questioning the tactic and questioning specifically why the kicks weren't designed to go dead - and the response was often that the team know what they're doing and often times the kicks are never intended to go dead.

Grand - so that's bundles of defensive pressure back on a doorstep when players are already puffed. I'd like someone to explain the value of that tactic to me, because to me it's a suicide move when, as you point out, playing against a solid team that little is gained on at the breakdown.

When' D Ryan back? Miss that guy so much.

gleesonisgod wrote:When' D Ryan back? Miss that guy so much.

Sometime in New Year hopefully (4-6 months rehab from end of Sept).

Sin é wrote:

gleesonisgod wrote:When' D Ryan back? Miss that guy so much.

Sometime in New Year hopefully (4-6 months rehab from end of Sept).

He will have to earn his place as a Foley has done well

If Ryan comes back and plays as well as he was at the very least he would go straight onto the bench given he can play 4 or 6.

To be honest  if he was playing as well as he can Foley would do well to hang onto his place.

Ryan has been a huge loss and not just for his rugby but also his personality.

Given the time of year my wish for the New Year is a pack of;

Cronin, Sherry, BJ
Ryan, POC
POM, TOD
Stander

With a bench that includes Kilcoyne, Casey, Foley and Copeland.

Looks like I won't be getting some of my New Year's wishes anyway.

Mike Sherry has had to have a third op on his shoulder last Monday and won't be back anytime soon.

Dave Kilcoyne is out for 6 to 8 weeks with his knee.

VDH's season looks over with a cruciate injury to his right knee.

Johnny Holland is out for 6 months with a torn hamstring.

James Cronin (shoulder) and Cathal Sheridan (forearm) continue to be reviewed by the medical staff while all they say about Cian Bohane (knee), Alan Cotter (bicep), Keith Earls (knee), Luke O'Dea (wrist), Barry O'Mahony (ankle), Donnacha Ryan (toe) and Damien Varley (foot) is that they all continue with their rehabilitation programmes.