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Post by Cumbrian Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:45 pm

Robshaw is set to miss Quins' trip to Dublin this weekend and is seeing a specialist on shoulder injuries.  Really don't like the sound of it, hope it isn't too serious.  Erm

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/dec/10/chris-robshaw-shoulder-injury-harlequins-leinster

The England captain Chris Robshaw has been ruled out of Harlequins’ European Champions Cup match against Leinster on Saturday and will see a specialist to examine his shoulder injury.

The 28-year-old flanker sustained the blow against the same opposition on Sunday, when he helped Harlequins to a 24-18 victory at The Stoop.

Harlequins have given no indication of how long they expect to be without Robshaw, but expect to be in a position later in the week to provide greater detail. They will also be without their fly-half Nick Evans for the trip to Dublin.

Harlequins said in a statement: “Harlequins today confirmed that both Chris Robshaw and Nick Evans will be unavailable for Saturday’s European Rugby Champions Cup match against Leinster at the Aviva Stadium, due to injuries sustained in the round three match at The Stoop.

“Evans, who was replaced after 11 minutes, is expected to return next week against Newcastle Falcons.

“Robshaw will have further assessments with a specialist on a shoulder injury. A further update will be given towards the end of the week.”


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Post by Poorfour Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:23 pm

I must admit, I am worried about it. It's the most serious-sounding injury he's had in about 7 years, and having to see a specialist about it isn't great news.

However, it's the first time I've heard of him having a stinger, so it may be that they are playing it safe - it's better he takes the time now to discover what the cause is and make sure it's treated properly
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Post by Knowsit17 Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:47 pm

All those tackles are going to take their toll eventually. Hope he can pull through with no long term issues.

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Post by majesticimperialman Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:44 pm

When you put your body on the line like he does every week, and in every game.

Well some thing as to give some time.

I do hope it it not a long term thing.

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:38 am

Not good news but lets see what the outcome is first.

The problem though is that for England Lancaster hasn't tested what he has at 6 & 7. Its been Wood and Robshaw. So if its something serious then its a concern.

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Post by Barney McGrew did it Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:00 am

Has the nightmare begun - will Stewie's refusal to work on a proper back-up 7 finally come back to haunt him?

Can he try Manu at 7?

What are the chances of Wood also getting injured?

Best of luck to Robshaw.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:32 am

Haskell just comes in with either him or Wood going to 7. Ewers or Kvesic next cabs off the rank.

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Post by Poorfour Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:37 am

The Express has apparently posted that if it doesn't settle down he'll have surgery next week and miss the opening game of the 6N.

If that's accurate, it could be a blessing in disguise - an enforced 3 month rest shortly before the RWC but with enough time to play himself back in. Just as long as his return doesn't go like Jonny's...
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Post by rodders Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:42 am

Sorry to hear about old Robshaw - thought for a minute that O'Shea had thrown the towel in against Leinster in Dublin but obviously there is a real injury there....

Re England - simples:-

Haskell to 6, Armitage to 7, Slammin Sam to 8 - problem solved Smile
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Post by lostinwales Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:41 am

Oh the irony. After me making all those comments about Warburton's injury record vs Robshaw. Typical if Robshaw doesnt make it for the match vs Wales Doh

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Post by Barney McGrew did it Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:56 am

Anyway, there's that EQ guy in France I think, who's playing quite well. I'm sure Stewie will slot him straight in.
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Post by BamBam Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:52 am

Definitely sounds like exceptional circumstances

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Post by Geordie Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:07 pm

If you want a like for like...Stewie would do a lot worse than a certain Mr Wilson falcons back rower. Wink
Actually Dean Richards has got Andy Saull back to his best as well. Cracking 7.

However in all seriousness IF he was out long term...I wouldn't be surprised to see Lancaster go:

6 Clark
7 Wood
8 Morgan

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Post by Bathman_in_London Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:23 pm

Arguably Robshaw should have had a rest at the weekend, but that's another topic.

I'd bring in Haskell to replace him but I wonder if Geordie is right and this might be the time when Clark makes an appearance.

I think Robshaw missing a game would show his detractors just how much he brings to the team, its a big drop off to the other possibles.

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Post by thomh Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:33 pm

Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.

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Post by Alex_Germany Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:11 pm

Maybe he is human after all.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:31 am

I would never wish an injury on anyone but from an England POV it may well be the proverbial blessing in disguise as they would have to thne find a back up.

I am looking forward to him and Warbeurton going head to head mind.
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Post by lostinwales Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:47 am

Alex_Germany wrote:Maybe he is human after all.

He's just being upgraded to a T1000.

(McCaw has been one of those for years)

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Post by doctor_grey Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:22 pm

thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.
I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle. Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:46 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.
I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle.  Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

Doc,

Thing is though is how many players actually ever play when they are 'fully fit'. Can't remenber who it was (something makes me think it was Martin Williams) but read once that he hasn't played fully fit for years, ws always carrying little niggles or bumps that in all honesty needed resting but they never do.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:08 pm

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doctor_grey wrote:
thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.
I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle.  Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

Doc,

Thing is though is how many players actually ever play when they are 'fully fit'.  Can't remenber who it was (something makes me think it was Martin Williams) but read once that he hasn't played fully fit for years, ws always carrying little niggles or bumps that in all honesty needed resting but they never do.
Mate, I agree.  I thiink I remember the same thing.  Was said years ago, right?  

Rugby is a 10 month sport.  No appreciable down time to recover, train lightly, and avoid contact and physically grueling matches.  In the NFL, the Player's Union declined an offer to extend the season by two games (16 to 18), despite the proportional increase in salaries.  The reason is there is too much all ready, and not enough time to recover.  Currently, including the Super Bowl, I believe the maximum number of matches is about 20.  Rugby has many, many more.  No wonder our guys are breaking down.  And with the increasing number of matches the Southern Hemisphere teams are playing, we will see the same impact there.  Ironically, I believe that will be the ultimate and unfortunate great equalizer between the hemispheres.

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Post by sickofwendy Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:43 pm

Robshaw had last summer off

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:42 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.
I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle.  Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

Doc,

Thing is though is how many players actually ever play when they are 'fully fit'.  Can't remenber who it was (something makes me think it was Martin Williams) but read once that he hasn't played fully fit for years, ws always carrying little niggles or bumps that in all honesty needed resting but they never do.
Mate, I agree.  I thiink I remember the same thing.  Was said years ago, right?  

Rugby is a 10 month sport.  No appreciable down time to recover, train lightly, and avoid contact and physically grueling matches.  In the NFL, the Player's Union declined an offer to extend the season by two games (16 to 18), despite the proportional increase in salaries.  The reason is there is too much all ready, and not enough time to recover.  Currently, including the Super Bowl, I believe the maximum number of matches is about 20.  Rugby has many, many more.  No wonder our guys are breaking down.  And with the increasing number of matches the Southern Hemisphere teams are playing, we will see the same impact there.  Ironically, I believe that will be the ultimate and unfortunate great equalizer between the hemispheres.

Yeah and as mentioned but could be wrong I seem to think it was Nuggett that said it, what with club structure then 6 Nations then summer tour then throw in a Lions tour or WC he hadn't recovered from any of his injuries properly.

The other impact as well is I don't think you will see players with any degree of longevity to heir carears these days. Yes they rack up th caps but over a much more compact time frame.
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:06 pm

I'd guess that most people, including many fans, have no idea how physically demanding professional rugby is.

Some old codgers like me may remember an outstanding flanker called Haydn Morgan, who played for Wales and the Lions in the late '50s and early '60s.

Morgan was a very hard man, pacey and always putting his body on the line in an era of savage rucking, but he was of course an amateur. His day job was being in the parachute regiment.  Despite his hardness, after his first international game it was reported that he needed a week's sick leave to recover.

With professional players now much bigger, and collisions more violent, it's a miracle Robshaw only needs a 'precautionary' rest from the game.

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Post by wayne Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:38 pm

optimist wrote:I'd guess that most people, including many fans, have no idea how physically demanding professional rugby is.

Some old codgers like me may remember an outstanding flanker called Haydn Morgan, who played for Wales and the Lions in the late '50s and early '60s.

Morgan was a very hard man, pacey and always putting his body on the line in an era of savage rucking, but he was of course an amateur. His day job was being in the parachute regiment.  Despite his hardness, after his first international game it was reported that he needed a week's sick leave to recover.

With professional players now much bigger, and collisions more violent, it's a miracle Robshaw only needs a 'precautionary' rest from the game.
Optimist, Morgan was a fantastic O/S, do you remember the hit Morgan did on who was it Richard Sharp, or the Scottish O/H in the late 50s early 60s, good days

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Post by Poorfour Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:26 am

sickofwendy wrote:Robshaw had last summer off

The summer before last, since when he's been rested for one club game and no England games, and played 80 minutes in all bar a couple of games.

Players need more rest time. I hope the next EPS agreement is closer to a central contract arrangement and allows for the RFU to have more say in resting players.
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Post by sickofwendy Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:52 am

Doubt it will happen as the tv companies call the shots.
Robshaw play's around 35 games per year which is probably too many.players in the northern hemisphere probably play more than their southern counterparts but at a lesser intensity.if you factor in travel he has it easier than those in the south
Time to man up

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Post by thomh Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:36 pm

Thankfully the players will be with England for the months leading up to the RWC, so there won't be any club v country conflicts in terms of their preparation. If they need a rest, England can just give them one.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:17 pm

sickofwendy wrote:Doubt it will happen as the tv companies call the shots.
Robshaw  play's around 35 games per year which is probably too many.players in the northern hemisphere probably play more than their southern counterparts but at a lesser intensity.if you factor in travel he has it easier than those in the south
Time to man up

Yeah, what a wimp, getting a shoulder injury!
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Post by sickofwendy Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:44 am

More of a big girls blouse than wimp

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Post by SecretFly Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:57 am

'Man up' as in play with his arm in a sling? Wink


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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:43 pm

He probably would
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Post by sickofwendy Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:16 pm

Ho about
Lighten up
It's nearly Christmas

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Post by Geordie Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:03 pm

Do people think Calum Clark will make the next step?

He is in brilliant form...a hard confrontational aggressive 6 / 7?

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Post by Bathman_in_London Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:12 pm

sickofwendy wrote:Ho about
Lighten up
It's nearly Christmas

It can be tricky
to fit the word Christmas
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Post by yappysnap Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:36 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Do people think Calum Clark will make the next step?

He is in brilliant form...a hard confrontational aggressive 6 / 7?

Still think he's too average for Int rugby, he literally carries nothing.

If him and wood played we'd be consigning Morgan to a heart attack by half time with all the carrying he'd have to do

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Post by LondonTiger Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:47 pm

Bathman_in_London wrote:
sickofwendy wrote:Ho about
Lighten up
It's nearly Christmas

It can be tricky
to fit the word Christmas
into a haiku

As you so bravely demonstrated by a gallant but failed attempt Very Happy

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Post by Bathman_in_London Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:23 am

Too many pre Christmas drinks, my thoughts are clearly slurring now as well!

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Post by Geordie Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:57 am

Has he had his operation?

He's got a bit of competition judging by a few players recent performances....Calum Clark is playing superb...and is an absolute beast at the breakdown.

And Kvesic got yet another man of the match for Glos.

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Post by lostinwales Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:07 am

It is good that there is competition but he is a way ahead of the rest (when fit and on form)

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Post by yappysnap Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:36 pm

Clark and Kvesic are still way off Robshaws form. Frankly Kvesics MoM was bizarre as all he achieved in that game was to get penalised a whole Poopie heap.

Clark is better but his skill set is still too similar and limited to okay alongside the equally limited Wood.

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Post by yappysnap Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:36 pm

Croft and Clark or Armitage and Clark, those might work...

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Post by maestegmafia Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:39 pm

Is Tom croft playing after his knee injury last autumn...? I hadn't seen any race reviews or noticed him in the team.

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Post by Hound of Harrow Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:36 pm

Ok, I'm a Wasps fan, but Haskell has been covering the back row position for England. He is in the form of his life and has been excellent at the breakdown and making his tackles for Wasps.

The interesting question is who  would be captain? Hartley may have ruled himself out of contention after his latest indiscretion.

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Post by sickofwendy Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:43 pm

Tom wood will be captain if robshaw is ruled out.He filled in as captain against Argentina and if not for his foot injury probably would have got the job when Lancaster took charge

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Post by maestegmafia Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:47 am

Regarding Croft

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/11326670/Tom-Croft-faces-catch-22-battle-to-prove-fitness-to-England-and-Leicester.html

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Post by lostinwales Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:28 pm

Regarding Robshaw..

http://www.espn.co.uk/england/rugby/story/252421.html

He has dodged the scalple and therefore might be back sooner than we expected.

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Post by thomh Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:12 pm

He was always due to be back around now. Fit for Leicester this weekend apparently.

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Post by Geordie Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:37 pm

Hopefuly its not something that should be worked on and he is coming back without due care risking it getting worse.

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