Wilder in talks with Fury about first defence

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Camps have revealed discussions are taking place for this fight to made, possibly as Wilders first defence. I think this is a great fight for the division and will ensure both a good fight and a fun build up. Both guys are coming off career best performances. Who have you got?

hogey wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hogey wrote:Getting up when feather fisted fighters Cunningham or Pajkic knock you down is a long way from getting dropped by a big puncher like Wilder. You are right Fury is no Joe Louis, in fact he barely has the chin of Jo Brand.

I don't know Hogey..........Getting knocked down and wobbled off feather fisted fighters.......Sounds like Louis to me !!

Saying nothing about that fishing expedition of yours fella

Shame..I fancied going more upmarket !!

Fury is only bigger by virtue of not training properly, Wilder is a lean fit Heavyweight who will be far too fast and powerful, we're not talking about a Chisora who was dwarfed.

Great Fight, Fury has more experience in the deep end and roughing it out, Wilder looked very good last Sat.
Both mens best performances has been against smaller guys so which one will deal with a bigger guy better?

Very hard one to call. I think if it goes the distance I fancy Fury, if it turns into more of a scrap then I cant see Fury sucking up all Wilders power, And I think Wilder is a much better Athlete.  I will lean towards a late stoppage for Wilder, but its a bit of a guess.

Fury boxed brilliantly against Chisora; while Chisora boxed appallingly against Fury. Tyson was extremely disciplined and he used his size and reach advantage to its maximum, against a much smaller opponent. However, out jabbing a small, ponderous and psychologically beaten, fighter, with zero head movement is a different proposition to out jabbing an equally sized puncher with a fast jab (i.e Wilder).

I’m confused how anyone can rate Fury top four after only beating Chisora. I rate Pulev, Povetkin, Jennings, Haye, Stivern, Arreola, Klitschko, Wilder and maybe even Perez (when focused and fit) abover Fury. However, If Wilder got a shot at a title after facing the square route of zero then no one can begrudge Fury his impending pop at the strap.
I can see no result other than a Wilder KO.

Funny how when Chisora fought Fury, he all of a sudden performed poorly after coming off of the back of some decent wins where there we no signs of decline and in fact a clear improvement in his conditioning... Just a coincidence..

Tyson boxed very well indeed. It was a very mature performance. Undoubtedly, it was his best showing to date.

His tactics were spot on and he was very disciplined. Those factors contributed to Chisora looking so bad. However, are you suggesting Chisora didn't box poor, or could have at least not boxed better?

milkyboy wrote:... That's the question really. If/when he gets put over, by a guy who punches way harder than guys who have knocked him over previously, Can he get up? From what I've seen of fury's recent boxing improvement, it's entirely plausible to me that he can win, if he's not bombed out early or spends the evening yo-yoing

Great point, milky, and that is my main question with Fury. If he can take Wilder's power early on, he'll have an excellent chance.

3fingers wrote:Tyson boxed very well indeed. It was a very mature performance. Undoubtedly, it was his best showing to date.

His tactics were spot on and he was very disciplined. Those factors contributed to Chisora looking so bad. However, are you suggesting Chisora didn't box poor, or could have at least not boxed better?

When you are getting out boxed, you box badly, that's what happens. In the first few rounds Chisora looked sharp and his usual self... Tysons plan worked and he could not get inside and when he did he was so worn out trying to get there he was less effective.

tunes666 wrote:

3fingers wrote:Tyson boxed very well indeed. It was a very mature performance. Undoubtedly, it was his best showing to date.

His tactics were spot on and he was very disciplined. Those factors contributed to Chisora looking so bad. However, are you suggesting Chisora didn't box poor, or could have at least not boxed better?

When you are getting out boxed, you box badly, that's what happens. In the first few rounds Chisora looked sharp and his usual self... Tysons plan worked and he could not get inside and when he did he was so worn out trying to get there he was less effective.  

Yep he was certainly outboxed, and it did contribute to him looking so poor. However, I believe Chisora's performance was far from stella. His head movement was none existent, he failed to pull the trigger, and he capitulated after three rounds. It was a shocking performance.

You can look at the fight in two ways:

1) Chis's dreadful performance flattered Fury, making him look a world beater

2) Fury's consummate performance nullified Chisora making him look useless.

Personally, I feel the truth lies somewhere between the two views.

Stiverne was almost as bad against Wilder. Stiverne and Chisora a poor, one dimesional heavyweights. They got an ass whipping off guys that people regular accuse of having no boxing ability at all.

I think Wilder and Fury are genuine top 5 heavyweights in a d1ck poor heavyweight division. I dont get how useless tubs like Perez, Stiverne and Arreola regularly seem to get rated while Fury and Wilder have been treated as laughing stocks for ages.

Stiverne at least has a dig though, which Chis doesn't. Del hasn't been the same fighter since Haye wiped him out.

Provided Fury gets passed Hammer (a good test) fine then I'd love to see Wilder-Fury and think it's a hard to call fight - which is what makes it exciting/interesting!

Just hope there isn't a JuanMa style slip up with Wlad losing to Jennings..... (admittedly extremely unlikely)

theanimal316 wrote:Think it will be a very entertaining fight if it happens.  Tough one to call but I'll lean towards Fury on points, think he might make his size tell over the distance.  

Anyone else apart from me (and Hayemaker) think that Haye would chin Wilder?  I suspect he'd love that fight as his way of getting back to the big time.

if the sparring session that was filmed is anything to go by, then yes Haye would certainly have a chance of chimnning Wilder, but would he have the bottle to go for it? I am not convinced.