The debates aren't likely to happen !!

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Although they are absolutely pointless

Derbymanc wrote:Waste of time anyway Truss, this generation of politicians will come out with absolutely anything but with no real need to stick to your word, it's all guff.

Derbymanc wrote:Sorry Truss, I've given up with the whole politics thing at the moment. None of them can tell the truth and we're about to get to the point where we get promised all sorts of things (help for married couples, less tax, no student fees, etc etc etc) until after the election when it carries on the same as before with the rich getting richer and the poor getting worse.

Derbymanc wrote:Yeah I suppose so, probably why the cons don't want it to happen and the Dems want to be really involved.

To be honest I'm of the opinion that the 4/5 top parties should be involved and if not then scrap them.

Derbymanc wrote:Completely agree Truss mate. That's the problem I have with them all now, it's fine as long as they know they'll look better.

Have faith in what your saying and what you believe otherwise your showing us all that your full of kak.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:But not having them will also have an impact, so its worth not having them too.

I suppose I mean its pointless because we gain nothing from having them, rather than pointless in that they have no impact

Derbymanc wrote:Bung them a couple of quid and i'm sure they'll change their tune.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The one real debate has 7 leaders present...

Pointless..

ICM did a rapid “who won” poll after the Paxman interviews with Cameron and Miliband tonight. Cameron won over Miliband by 54% to 46% – we won’t know until the tables appear, but I expect that going to show Labour voters thinking Miliband won, Conservative voters thinking Cameron won, the rest splitting evenly and not many minds changed. Still, we’ll see if there is any longer term effect in the next week’s polls. I wouldn’t have imagined there will be – while the debate was new in 2010, events like tonight’s Paxman interviews or the leaders’ Question Time style event next month aren’t new – there were things just like that in2005 and 2001 and they made bog all difference to anything.

Meanwhile tonight’s YouGov poll for the Sun has topline figures of CON 36%, LAB 34%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%. A Tory lead today after some ties and Labour leads so far this week, suggesting the underlying average in YouGov’s daily polls is still neck-and-neck.

UPDATE: ICM tables are now up here (thanks to that fine man Tom Clark!). As expected, perceptions of who won fell pretty much along the lines of pre-existing party support – 84% of Conservatives thought Cameron won, 74% of Labour supporters thought Miliband won, Lib Dems were split, Ukippers thought Cameron won, Greens thought Miliband won. Note that while the sample was demographically and politically weighted to be nationally representative, it was a very heavily Labour sample in terms of current voting intention: the pre-debate voting intentions of the sample had an 10% Labour lead (thus are the difficulties of doing things like this – people who watch programmes like this are different from your average voter!)

TopHat24/7 wrote:Well last night proves why the 'debates' are pointless and redundant.

DC 'wins' according to most pollsters and Twitter surveys etc etc, why? Because he's great? Masterful? Clearly the best? A massive success?

No.

Because he's not as sh!t as Milliband and Red Ed is a fooking disaster.

..........and that'll make fook all difference to the voting polls or what happens on May 5th, as DC on his own isn't the problem, it's the Tory party as a whole's toxic image as opposed to Labour's faux-nicey nicey hear to help the little man BS.