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Post by RDW Mon 20 Apr 2015, 08:43

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Edinburgh V Gloucester

Friday 1st May 2015, KO 19:45
The Twickenham Stoop, Twickenham
Live on BT Sport

Referee Jerome Garces (France)
Touch Judge 1 Pascal Gauzere (France)
Touch Judge 2 Mathieu Raynal (France)
Fourth Official Eric Gauzins (France)
TMO Eric Gauzins (France)

Citing Commissioner Yves Thieffine (France)

Route to the final

Edinburgh

UBB 10 - Edinburgh 24
Edinburgh 25 - Lyon 17
Edinburgh 28 - London Welsh 13
London Welsh 6 - Edinburgh 24
Lyon 21 - Edinburgh 19
Edinburgh 38 - UBB 20

London Irish 18 - Edinburgh 23
Edinburgh 45 - Dragons 16

Gloucester

Gloucester 55 - Brive 0
Oyonnax 15 - Gloucester 25
Gloucester 35 - Zebre 10
Zebre 16 - Gloucester 32
Gloucester 33 - Oyonnax 3
Brive 20 - Gloucester 31

Gloucester 14 - Connacht 7
Gloucester 30 - Exeter Chiefs 19


Teams

Edinburgh
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Tonks; Fife, Beard, Strauss, Visser; Burleigh, Hidalgo-Clyne; Dickinson, Ford, Nel, Bresler, Toolis, Coman, Grant, Du Preez.

Replacements: McInally, Sutherland, Andress, McKenzie, Watson, Fowles, Heathcote, Brown.

Gloucester
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Sharples; May, Meakes, Twelvetrees (capt), Purdy; Hook, Laidlaw; Wood, Hibbard, Afoa, Savage, Palmer, Moriarty, Kvesic, Evans.

Replacements: Dawidiuk, Thomas, Puafisi, Galarza, Rowan, Robson, Burns, McColl.

Official Preview
PREVIEW: Will Sam be the man for Edinburgh?
Sam Hidalgo-Clyne has lit up Scottish rugby this season and spearheaded the Edinburgh Rugby march to their first Challenge Cup final.

Three Heineken Man of the Match awards, and a club European record 28 point haul against Bordeaux-Begles at Murrayfield, have showcased his talent this season and he is set to be a key man in their Edinburgh's push for an historic first professional rugby title at Twickenham Stoop.

As his side's main player maker and goalkicker he is bound to be a target for Gloucester Rugby's players on Friday night and the west country club's director of rugby, David Humphreys, is obviously a fan.

"Sam has become one of the superstars of the game. When you look at how he has performed for Edinburgh in Europe this season he has been outstanding," said Humphreys.

But while the Gloucester back row will be on red alert in the final so, too, will be the Edinburgh side as they try to contain their former team mate Greig Laidlaw. The Scotland skipper has been hugely influential for the Kingsholm team since switching allegiance last summer.

With half-back partner James Hook, and front row recruits John Afoa and Richard Hibbard, he has been able to steer Gloucester into the final without losing. In the final they will attempt to do what Peter Buxton's side of 2006 did and go the full nine games unbeaten.

Gloucester's best form has been saved for Europe this season and the tournament is their only lifeline into next seasons Champions Cup. Win it, and they will go into the play-off for the 20th place, something their meagre ninth place in the Premiership won't offer them.

That will give them extra incentive on the night, although Edinburgh will come into the game with great momentum having demolished Zebre and the Dragons in their last two games. Their added incentive is to become the first Scottish team to win a major trophy - and to beat Glasgow Warriors to the punch!

The big battle is going to be in the front five, where both teams have established sound reputations. Gloucester have the best scrum stats in the Premiership for getting the ball back into play, while the introduction of Aussie-born lock Ben Toolis has added power and agility to the Edinburgh pack. Whoever gets on top at scrum time will have a clear advantage.

Richard Hibbard v Ross Ford at hooker will be a key battle, as will the one between Alasdair Dickinson and John Afoa at prop. The Edinburgh back row will have to deal with Matt Kvesic, the tournament's turn-over king, at the breakdown and if they can stop him from being as effective and influential as usual then it will do them a lot of good.

"We know we are going to play against a highly motivated Edinburgh side and will need to play at our very best to win. We need our international players to stand up and give us international class performances," added Humphreys.

The last time Gloucester reached the Challenge Cup final they needed extra-time to overcome London Irish. That was nine years ago and their last trophy came in 2011 when they won the Anglo-Welsh Cup.

Edinburgh have yet to win a trophy in the professional era, other than the 1872 Cup played for annually between themselves and arch-rivals Glasgow Warriors, and one of the big questions for them to answer at the Twickenham Stoop will be how will they cope with the pressure of the major occasion.

When they met in the European Cup pool stages last season they ended up with an away win each. Who will be the winner on the road this time with a major trophy at stake? It's too tight to call!

Match Facts
•Edinburgh are the first Scottish club to reach a European final while Gloucester - the 2006 champions - will be in appearing in their second decider.
•The competition has been won by an English club on 10 occasions, more than any other nation. French clubs have won the title six times, with Ireland and Wales on one each.
•Gloucester and Edinburgh have never met in the Challenge Cup before, but have played each other four times in Europe's top flight with the Cherry and Whites winning three.
•Gloucester have a 100% record this season and aim to repeat their 2005/06 feat of winning every game on their way to lifting the trophy.
•Edinburgh have the best lineout success (90%) in the competition with Ben Toolis the top lineout winner (44 including steals).
•The two finalists boast the two top scorers in the competition with Greig Laidlaw's 67 points bettered only by Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (91).
•Despite playing the maximum amount of games in this season's Challenge Cup, Gloucester (8) and Edinburgh (11) have conceded fewer tries than any other sides in the competition.
•Matt Kvesic has made the most tackles in the competition completing 97 of his 110 attempts. He has also won the most turnovers (15).
•Of the 370 players who have won the Challenge Cup, 131 are English and eight Scottish. The Scottish winners are: Joe Ansbro (Northampton Saints 2009), Craig Chalmers (Harlequins 2001), Scott Gray (Northampton Saints 2009), Kenny Logan (Wasps 2003), Euan Murray (Northampton Saints 2009), Bryan Redpath (Sale Sharks 2002, 2005), Tom Smith (Northampton Saints 2009), Barry Stewart (Sale Sharks 2005).

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 01 May 2015, 16:56

Good to hear. I reckon ASBO will be down there as well. Look for a very old, well-heeled gentleman most likely sinking ungodly quantities of real ale and rambling on about the economic case for independence.

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Fri 01 May 2015, 17:20

Is he still beating that drum? Talk about flogging a dead horse.
RDW - are there a good number of Edinburgh fans down there?

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 17:24

Big numbers of Edinburgh fans.

Well, a few hundred!

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Post by SecretFly Fri 01 May 2015, 17:32

RDW_Scotland wrote:Big numbers of Edinburgh fans.

Well, a few hundred!

That's a positive Murmuration of Endinbughideans!

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Fri 01 May 2015, 17:34

Which is roughly the same number of folk in the same train carriage as me. Jeez, it is cooking.
Is it, as Bill McLaren did have said, ideal conditions for running g rugby football?

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 17:35

No wind, no rain, pretty good!

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 17:37

At the fanzone at London Scottish - there's only 3 barmen for hundreds of people - not going down very well!

The academy players are handing out the flags - never seen anyone look so awkward.

They're boozing too - shocking!

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Fri 01 May 2015, 17:40

RDW_Scotland wrote:No wind, no rain, pretty good!
To quote Monty Burns, excellent.

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Post by justified sinner Fri 01 May 2015, 17:41

Bar at RAA stupid busy.

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 17:45

justified sinner wrote:Bar at RAA stupid busy.

Chronic barman shortage!

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 18:02

Sitting next to Jack Cuthbert, trying to forget all the mean things I've said about him over the years...

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 18:12

I'm literally a few feet from Jade Te Rure.


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Post by Imperialbigdave Fri 01 May 2015, 18:54

RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm literally a few feet from Jade Te Rure.


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Contain yourself. Dont let him see you blush.
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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 19:05

RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm literally a few feet from Jade Te Rure.


steam

Go on, get a Jade selfie and post it on here for our amusement!

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 19:07

They left a long time ago.

At least they're getting to stay in London tonight, unlike the HK semi where the whole squad went back to Edinburgh that night!

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 19:23

Having made it to the stadium I think it's fair to say we're significantly out numbered!

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Post by nickj Fri 01 May 2015, 19:33

Wish I was there! Does anyone have a stream? I've done my best to get a BT account but no luck so far

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Post by IanBru Fri 01 May 2015, 19:39

Best of luck to both teams but...

COME ON EMBRAAA!!
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Post by alive555 Fri 01 May 2015, 19:44

Link anyone?

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Post by George Carlin Fri 01 May 2015, 19:58

First phase try!
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alive555 wrote:Link anyone?
PMd you.
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Post by mckay1402 Fri 01 May 2015, 20:02

That scrum should have been a penalty to Edinburgh for running the scrum around
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Post by Notch Fri 01 May 2015, 20:07

Just don't see where Edinburgh are going to hurt Gloucester in attack, whilst at this tempo Glos look capable of creating something from almost anywhere on the pitch. Very discouraging first quarter from Edinburgh.
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Post by SecretFly Fri 01 May 2015, 20:09

Edinburgh sluggish. Need to meet Gloucester in the fight here. Gloucester are doing what they need to do but they're getting through tackles far too easily.

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Post by George Carlin Fri 01 May 2015, 20:14

Yellow card Bresler. Those missed first tackles are killing us.


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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 20:15

Our fears come to pass - their backs ripping us to shreds.

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Post by George Carlin Fri 01 May 2015, 20:20

Amazing Edinburgh scrum - Ford and Dickinson are clearly targeting Afoa.
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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 20:23

Not used to seeing SHC's passes go that badly astray!

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 20:32

Christ we needed that penalty - completely 2nd best that half and 13-9 would have been an excellent scoreline considering.

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Post by SecretFly Fri 01 May 2015, 20:33

Okay, all out physical fury in the second half from Edinburgh and take whatever comes then. At least be happy with their efforts even if they end up missing out.

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Post by VinceWLB Fri 01 May 2015, 20:33

6-13 wont complain with that score other than Strauss who is supposedly selected for his defensive prowess got badly shown up for the try, Bresler need to pull his fingers out, he has been a passenger this 1st half

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Post by LondonTiger Fri 01 May 2015, 20:42

I know he has flaws, but boy I love watching May at full flight.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 21:01

The endless box kicking is killing us and Burleigh is falling apart!

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Post by RDW Fri 01 May 2015, 21:12

Edinburgh just haven't turned up this game.

Desperately poor.

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Post by Notch Fri 01 May 2015, 21:14

This should be a red card for Gloucester all things being fair.
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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 21:15

That was so unnecessary!

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 01 May 2015, 21:16

LondonTiger wrote:I know he has flaws, but boy I love watching May at full flight.
May is one of those guys who is exciting because one never knows what is about to happen. Not us, nor May himself. He could run right, left, sometimes forwards, sometimes backwards........

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 21:16

Still not sure it was a red though

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Post by Notch Fri 01 May 2015, 21:16

Called it as soon as I saw it. Had to be red- when the guy doesn't have the ball, that swings it.
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Post by LordDowlais Fri 01 May 2015, 21:17

Correct decision, no arguments. Jumping up, and tackling around the neck, he can have no complaints.

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Post by Notch Fri 01 May 2015, 21:18

I do hope Edinburgh go on to win this game. Gloucester's two cheap shot merchants, Meakes and Moriarty, are not exactly inspiring me to support them as a neutral.

Not saying that Gloucester are a dirty team. But they've doled out a few cheap shots, needlessly given the scoreline, and that is never great to watch. Maybe because the occasion has gotten to them a bit.


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Post by LordDowlais Fri 01 May 2015, 21:18

Notch wrote:Called it as soon as I saw it. Had to be red- when the guy doesn't have the ball, that swings it.

Yep, the same for me, as soon as I saw it, I straight away thought RED.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 21:19

A glimmer of hope that we honestly don't deserve. Time to throw the dice now Edinburgh, we need to make the extra man count

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 21:24

I'm sorry, but when you have an extra man in your backline why would you not keep the ball in hand?! We keep giving the ball away!

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Post by tigertattie Fri 01 May 2015, 21:32

Come on Edinburgh. Converted try to win this please
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Post by George Carlin Fri 01 May 2015, 21:36

Well done Gloucester - deserved to win it - just offered more over the 80.
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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 01 May 2015, 21:37

Congrats Gloucester, better team won for sure. Enjoy it lads Whisky

So frustrating from Edinburgh. There was enough time after the red card to turn the game around but we were sloppy and didn't build possession. Visser flying headfirst into 3 defenders with men outside him didn't do us any favours, but he wasn't the only one lacking in composure in the final 15 minutes

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Post by VinceWLB Fri 01 May 2015, 21:38

How much is Afoa getting paid to get pasted at the scrum? Tom Walkinshaw must be spinning in his grave.

You have to say home country advantage made the difference in the end.

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Post by Totalflanker Fri 01 May 2015, 21:39

Well done Gloucester - deserved it. Aimless kicking killed Edinburgh.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Fri 01 May 2015, 21:39

Well done Glaws but great effort from Edinburgh, they gave it their all and have some great players in the side now. They have certainly come along way since 2013.

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