Copa America
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Copa America
Starts in the early hours of Friday (tomorrow) at 00:30 with Chile against Ecuador.
Twelve teams divided into three groups of four, with the top two teams and the two best third-placed teams making it to the quarter-finals.
Group A - Chile, Mexico, Ecuador, Bolivia.
Group B - Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Jamaica.
Group C - Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Venezuela.
All games live on Premier Sports (subscribe for a tenner online).
No Suarez, but there is Vidal, Sanchez, Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Neymar, Rodriguez, Cuadrado etc.
Argentina are favourites to win, but Chile are expected to provide a huge challenge with the benefit of being home. Personally, I think Colombia will triumph. And I'm sure no one will dare to discount Brazil.
Twelve teams divided into three groups of four, with the top two teams and the two best third-placed teams making it to the quarter-finals.
Group A - Chile, Mexico, Ecuador, Bolivia.
Group B - Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Jamaica.
Group C - Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Venezuela.
- Schedule:
- Thursday 11 June
Group A Chile v Ecuador (20.30 local time/00.30 BST Friday)
Friday 12 June
Group A Mexico v Bolivia (20.30/00.30)
Saturday 13 June
Group B Uruguay v Jamaica (16.00/20.00)
Group B Argentina v Paraguay (18.30/22.30)
Sunday 14 June
Group C Colombia v Venezuela (16.00/20.00)
Group C Brazil v Peru (18.30/22.30)
Monday 15 June
Group A Ecuador v Bolivia (18.00/22.00)
Group A Chile v Mexico (20.30/00.30)
Tuesday 16 June
Group B Paraguay v Jamaica (18.00/22.00)
Group B Argentina v Uruguay (20.30/00.30)
Wednesday 17 June
Group C Brazil v Colombia (21.00/01.00)
Thursday 18 June
Group C Peru v Venezuela (20.30/00.30)
Friday 19 June
Group A Mexico v Ecuador (18.00/22.00)
Group A Chile v Bolivia (20.30/00.30)
Saturday 20 June
Group B Uruguay v Paraguay (16.00/20.00)
Group B Argentina v Jamaica (18.30/22.30)
Sunday 21 June
Group C Colombia v Peru (16.00/20.00)
Group C Brazil v Venezuela (18.30/22.30)
Wednesday 24 June
Quarter-final A1 v B3/C3 (20.30/00.30)
Thursday 25 June
Quarter-final A2 v C2 (20.30/00.30)
Friday 26 June
Quarter-final B1 v A3/C3 (20.30/00.30)
Saturday 27 June
Quarter-final C1 v B2 (18.30/22.30)
Monday 29 June
Semi-final Winner QF1 v Winner QF2 (20.30/00.30)
Tuesday 30 June
Semi-final Winner QF3 v Winner QF4 (20.30/00.30)
Friday 3 July
Third-place play-off (20.30/00.30)
Saturday 4 July
Final (17.00/21.00)
All games live on Premier Sports (subscribe for a tenner online).
No Suarez, but there is Vidal, Sanchez, Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Neymar, Rodriguez, Cuadrado etc.
Argentina are favourites to win, but Chile are expected to provide a huge challenge with the benefit of being home. Personally, I think Colombia will triumph. And I'm sure no one will dare to discount Brazil.
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Have you subscribed Duty?
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Indeed. Seems a bargain.
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Yeah it seems a good price.
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No, you can get everything Premier Sports have for a month.
Which isn't much, admittedly! Unless you like Rugby League and Ice Hockey.
Which isn't much, admittedly! Unless you like Rugby League and Ice Hockey.
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Okay thanks.
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It's live on Xbox Live if you have that.
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Ive decided to support Venezuela....
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Firmino is a quality player he'll get his big transfer this summer, other than Neymar, Silva and Miranda i don't rate the Brazilian team at all. Worse one i have ever seen, you look at their starting 10 ten years ago and compare it to now. R9, Adriano,Ronaldinho, Kaka, Cafu, Juninho Pernumbucano,Emerson, Julio Cesar and Maicon. All world class players and mostly game changers, the ones coming through now just seem to flop. Remember Ganso even Pato (who granted was ruined with injuries), i like Chile for the competition, they have an entertaining style and Argentina never play to their potential.
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Chile looked good on the front foot, but they have serious vulnerabilities in defence which are exacerbated by playing with a back three. Uruguay thoroughly sluggish against the 'African' team Jamaica.
Argentina up next.
Argentina up next.
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Argentina capitulated against Paraguay - 2-0 at HT, only to draw 2-2.
Colombia have just been squeezed out by Venezuela. Ugly game, plenty of play-acting and conning the referee by the inferior Venezuelans, whilst Colombia were wholly inept in a creative sense (they played like England at a major tournament!).
Colombia have just been squeezed out by Venezuela. Ugly game, plenty of play-acting and conning the referee by the inferior Venezuelans, whilst Colombia were wholly inept in a creative sense (they played like England at a major tournament!).
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think you can watch these on bet 365 if you have a account, i'll probably only tune in when the big games get going
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Arturo Vidal's tournament is probably over. He crashed his Ferrari last night and was arrested for drink driving.
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Following their promise to strip if Venezuela won a game, The local news anchor did this...
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Deserved win for my favoured Colombians tonight. Might not of been pretty, but it shall suffice!
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Chile have coasted through; Argentina have snuck into the last eight. Oh and Neymar has been banned from the rest of the tournament.
Group C concludes tonight - all four teams on three points, presently.
Group C concludes tonight - all four teams on three points, presently.
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Quarter-finals sorted:
Chile v Uruguay
Bolivia v Peru
Argentina v Colombia
Brazil v Paraguay
Chile v Uruguay
Bolivia v Peru
Argentina v Colombia
Brazil v Paraguay
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Watching someone like Vargas playing for Chile compared to his time at QPR is interesting. Players like these play for pay in clubs far from home and don't really care. But they give everything playing for their country. I think this is kinda the reverse for English international players.
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Gonzalo Higuain is awful. Blew it in the World Cup final, blew it during the game tonight & blew his penalty over the bar in the shootout.
Another failure for Argentina in a final
Another failure for Argentina in a final
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Henman Bill- Posts : 5265
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Any thoughts on Messi retiring from international football. Aguero too, says he may follow suit & retire, after they lost against Chile. I expect a barrage of hate will come his way & without winning a major final with his country or a WC, will stop him being labelled as one of the greats.
I disagree with that, he's the best I've ever seen & will probably ever see
I disagree with that, he's the best I've ever seen & will probably ever see
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It does make it look like he's thrown his toys out the pram, without the comfort of his Barcelona team mates he's never made a real impression on the international stage.
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Neither did Di Stefano but doesn't stop people rating him as highly as they do. There haven't been that many players who've near single handedly dragged a mediocre team to European/World title so let's not be too harsh on MessiHammersmith harrier wrote:It does make it look like he's thrown his toys out the pram, without the comfort of his Barcelona team mates he's never made a real impression on the international stage.
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He's only 29, should really play until the next World Cup. Argentina aren't far off winning a major tournament, 3 finals lost in extra time or on penalties.
Ent- Posts : 7337
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I don't think it'll stick with most of them. Mascherano will retire, but that's because he'll want to extend his career. Aguero will be back for sure.
Messi I'm not so sure. He does genuinely seem affected by the weight of the country on his shoulders. He's lost four finals and the most recent did come down to his missed penalty. He's 29 so it's early to retire from internationals but not ludicrously so. The Argentinian fans never really took to him and he's never been the force internationally as he has been at club level. I'm just not sure he's ever really enjoyed it and I am sure Argentina will ask him to come back before the next World Cup, but I'm not sure whether he will or not.
Messi I'm not so sure. He does genuinely seem affected by the weight of the country on his shoulders. He's lost four finals and the most recent did come down to his missed penalty. He's 29 so it's early to retire from internationals but not ludicrously so. The Argentinian fans never really took to him and he's never been the force internationally as he has been at club level. I'm just not sure he's ever really enjoyed it and I am sure Argentina will ask him to come back before the next World Cup, but I'm not sure whether he will or not.
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Also, I find it odd that a player of such quality appears to have a fairly fragile mentality. You'd think a player as lauded as Messi and as ridiculously successful as Messi would have very little self-doubt, but this seems to say different. It'll be interesting now to see how he copes with his physical decline. I always thought he'd adjust and adapt and maybe just drop deeper or play differently, but after this I'm not so sure. I can see Messi retiring fairly early from football altogether.
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I suppose when you have continual success and it's easy (due to your immense natural talent) then when the obstacles appear you mightn't be able to deal with them as well as others who've had to rebound from disappointments.
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It would be funny if they went and won it without him.Ent wrote:He's only 29, should really play until the next World Cup. Argentina aren't far off winning a major tournament, 3 finals lost in extra time or on penalties.
However, just want to say that I've never been sold totally on Messi being the greatest ever. Obviously he's a fantastic player but the greatest ever? Why is he better than Pele, Maradona, Cruyff or even Zico? They're all greats.
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DAVE667 wrote:Neither did Di Stefano but doesn't stop people rating him as highly as they do. There haven't been that many players who've near single handedly dragged a mediocre team to European/World title so let's not be too harsh on MessiHammersmith harrier wrote:It does make it look like he's thrown his toys out the pram, without the comfort of his Barcelona team mates he's never made a real impression on the international stage.
It's hardly been a mediocre Argentina team and easily a better one than Maradona won with, he'd have loved to have quality like Mascherano, Di Maria, Lavezzi, Higuain, Zabaleta, Aguero, Tevez and the likes to play alongside.
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Atila wrote:It would be funny if they went and won it without him.Ent wrote:He's only 29, should really play until the next World Cup. Argentina aren't far off winning a major tournament, 3 finals lost in extra time or on penalties.
However, just want to say that I've never been sold totally on Messi being the greatest ever. Obviously he's a fantastic player but the greatest ever? Why is he better than Pele, Maradona, Cruyff or even Zico? They're all greats.
I think him and ronaldo are the 2 best ever, can argue which order they go in.
They've got it all, ability, longevity, success.
Always going to be greatest debates and nitpicking but they are so much better than everyone else it's crazy.
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Neither did Di Stefano but doesn't stop people rating him as highly as they do. There haven't been that many players who've near single handedly dragged a mediocre team to European/World title so let's not be too harsh on MessiHammersmith harrier wrote:It does make it look like he's thrown his toys out the pram, without the comfort of his Barcelona team mates he's never made a real impression on the international stage.
It's hardly been a mediocre Argentina team and easily a better one than Maradona won with, he'd have loved to have quality like Mascherano, Di Maria, Lavezzi, Higuain, Zabaleta, Aguero, Tevez and the likes to play alongside.
I'm fairly sure that Maradona would have rather played with Jorge Valdano than Higuain. That's at least two finals where dreadful misses from Higuain have probably led to Argentina's defeat. The miss against Germany in 2014 was horrific.
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Messi is already reconsidering.
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Messi has changed his mind. He's going to play for Argentina again.
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Nothing to do with Ronaldo winning the Euros I wonder.
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