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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:49 pm

First topic message reminder :

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Breaking News: London Wasps regain their crown following playoff final victory. 
 


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2014/2015 – London Wasps
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers 
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons 
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons 
2009/2010 – Saracens 
2008/2009 - London Irish





                                             

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Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game.  Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to.  If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
 
 
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players.  If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 23 players.  Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1993. 

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will receive two additional bids to be used exclusively on academy age players. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by the RFU on its own merits before being accepted or rejected.  No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by the RFU against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
    Player Draft
    Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will participate in a player draft beginning the week of June 22nd. Both sides will be allowed to draft two players each. The draft picks will go as follows; 1. Worcester 2. Wasps 3. Wasps 4. Worcester.

    Round Bidding
    There will be two rounds of bidding. The first window will run the week starting June 29th and the second the week starting July 3rd. All sides will be allowed to sign one player each during the window. These bids are not protected if you do not have the funds in place to bid during the window you will lose the bid.     

    Open Bidding
    From July 13th the foreign market will be open to all bids similar to previous seasons. Due to the world cup the window will remain open till the end of September. 

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players.  Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches.  These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will pm the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved).  An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result.  To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box. 
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions 
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
Bonuses will be awarded on a scaled basis i.e. 2m for 5 games, 1.6m for 4 games and so on
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:56 am

Lambie started 7 games Flux which is almost 50% for the Super season and was in good form. I think I'd keep Lambie in over Steyn personally.

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:02 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Top 10 FH's in rugby at the minute? This isn't my opinion, it's took from a site, I'll post the others later.

1. Beauden Barrett
2. Jon Sexton
3. Handre Pollard
4. Aaron Cruden
5. Dan Carter
6. George Ford
7. Bernard Foley
8. Pat Lambie
9. Morne Steyn
10. FTD

What site is that ?

How anyone can not have sexton top is a mystery to me.
On form over last few years he would have been top pretty much throughout. Also surely Farrell would be above steyn who has done nowt until last 6 games of season??

Depends on how current the list is ?


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:12 pm

It's current top apparently.

I was surprised to see Pollard so high also Matt. With him losing the Bok 10 jersey and not having a great season. As I said, it's not my opinion.

I'll post the FB's next.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:17 pm

I'm surprised to see Cruden so high having missed the latter aprt of the season through injury. On form, he is top drawer, but he's not been playing so not sure how he can be 4th on a current form list.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:18 pm

Surprised nobody mentioned Biggar. Would have him ahead of a fair few in that list

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:20 pm

Well Cruden was probably No 1 last year Pete. He still played 8 games this season and looked very good bar goal kicking.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:24 pm

Fair shout on Bigger Johnny, I'd certainly have him above Steyn, FTD and Pollard at least.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:27 pm

All the NZ 10's struggled with the boot at times this year. Sopoaga probably looked the best off the tee out of the lot of them.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:33 pm

Top 10 FB's:

1. Folau
2. Ben Smith
3. Halfpenny
4. Kearney
5. WLR
6. Hogg
7. Dagg
8. Brown
9. Bendy
10. Spedding

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:45 pm

Folau's stats were better than Smith's for this Super Rugby season, but I think I would have Smith top, as his form was a major part of the Highlanders back play being so effective. Such a clever player.
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Post by CJB Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:53 pm

If I was doing top fifteen fly halfs (mix of form and quality)

1. Jonathan Sexton
2. Aaron Cruden
3. Beauden Barrett
4. Dan Carter
5. George Ford
6. Handre Pollard
7. Bernard Foley
8. Francois Trinh Duc
9. Nicolas Sanchez
10. Owen Farrell
11. Pat Lambie
12. Morne Steyn
13. Liam Sopoaga
14. Dan Biggar
15. Finn Russell

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:54 pm

I wouldn't argue too much with that list CJB.
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Post by prop_lyd Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:57 pm

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Surprised nobody mentioned Biggar. Would have him ahead of a fair few in that list

As he's my player in inclined to agree but also as a Welshman as I was a big doubter of his ability before, also consistently one of the top scorers in pro12
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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:19 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Top 10 FB's:

1. Folau
2. Ben Smith
3. Halfpenny
4. Kearney
5. WLR
6. Hogg
7. Dagg
8. Brown
9. Bendy
10. Spedding

What site is this ?

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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:27 pm

Biggar over the last two seasons has been excellent, agree with both SJE and Prop there.

Would have Sexton as the top no10 as he just seems to have the complete game and is generally excellent with managing a game - he might not be as creative as some others, but just has great control and is most important Irish player.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:34 pm

I'd have Biggar & Lambie top 10 with FTD & Farrell dropping out from CJB's list.

Smith best full back in the world doesn't carry as well as Folau but brings others into the game better, stronger defensively and has a better boot. Think Kearney is too high as well. Would take WLR & Hogg above him. Delighted to see Bendy get some recognition though Wink

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:48 pm

Agree with all that Johnny.

Kearney a bit high on recent form and would have Hogg & WLR a few higher. Toss up between Smith and Folau for best.

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:10 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Agree with all that Johnny.

Kearney a bit high on recent form and would have Hogg & WLR a few higher. Toss up between Smith and Folau for best.


Kearney the real deal for me and certainly the best defensive FB on that list. On form between smith and Dagg take your pick. Folau always going to be no more than average kicking and smith not that great in that department either

WLR not been the player he was a few seasons ago where he may have topped this list and Hogg had had a great season and probably the best broken field runner in Nh but a bit frail defensively and kicking wise( in terms of accuracy of boot and certainly not length as he has a huge punt just the radar ain't there yet)


FB a strong position globally almost every nation has 1 or 2 decent ones. I would take a fit and on form Dagg above them all.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:11 pm

Can't agree with Dagg Matt, I wouldn't even have him top 5 tbh

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:16 pm

I'd have Dagg of 2/3 years ago up there but hasn't been near his best in some time. I'd have Halfpenny best defensive fullback around now. Kearney was surprisingly the weakest of the irish back three under the ball this year and hasn't really offered anything on attack in sometime. Misses a lot of 1 on 1 tackles as well. Certainly a top 10 fullback but don't think hes up there with the SH lads and Halfpenny at the moment.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:19 pm

Kearney has lost a bit of spark in attack. He used to get line break after line break but is a little like Foden for us as in his breaks are every few games rather than a few a game.

Dagg has been neither strong defensivley or offensively for a few seasons now. You make a video of his bumped of tackles. He does have a great boot though.


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Post by CJB Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:34 pm

1. Ben Smith
2. Israel Folau
3. Willie Le Roux
4. Leigh Halfpenny
5. Mike Brown
6. Stuart Hogg
7. Israel Dagg
8. Liam Williams
9. Rob Kearney
10. James O'Connor
11. Jesse Kriel
12. Ben Foden
13. Scott Spedding
14. Alex Goode
15. Nick Abendanon

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:51 pm

Top 10 opensides:

1. Richie McCaw
2. Michael Hooper
3. Steffon Armitage
4. JMF Lobbe
5. Sam Warburton
6. David Pocock
7. SOB
8. Chris Robshaw
9. Sam Cane
10. Frans Louw

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:01 pm

Pooly what is this site? That list of 7s is all wrong.

Is it in the loose?

Bizarre.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:03 pm

I'd have Cane & Louw higher but it's pretty accurate. Lobbe a left field choice I agree.

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Post by CJB Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:18 pm

1. Richie McCaw
2. Michael Hooper
3. David Pocock
4. Sean O'Brien
5. Sam Warburton
6. Francois Louw
7. Sam Cane
8. Justin Tipuric
9. Steffon Armitage
10. Chris Robshaw
11. Thierry Dusatior
12. Schalk Burger
13. Willem Alberts
14. Liam Gill
15. Ardie Savea

Off the top of my head. Difficult one, lots of players who I rate quite similarly.

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:20 pm

Post a link or is this made up ?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:21 pm

Alberts is a BS CJB

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:22 pm

If this is current then Mccaw not near the top on this years performances

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:30 pm

Going to put it out there but since when were Burger & Alberts opensides?
Have to agree with Matt that list looks horrible to me. Lobbe & Armitage too high. Pocock, Cane & Louw in particular to low.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:35 pm

Yea I'd have those 3 higher.

It says Louw would be higher but for injury spells which is fair enough I suppose. I'd probably go:

1. McCaw
2. Cane
3. Pocock
4. Hooper
5. Louw
6. Warburton
7. Dusatoir
8. SOB
9. Robshaw
10. Armitage

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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:48 pm

I'd say for most positions there's no much between 3-10 anyway and you can make an argument based on taste for almost any order within those ranks.

Naturally I think you are all underrating Robshaw Wink 
Personally think Ardie Savea probably should be on the list too
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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:19 pm

Without seeing a link it's hard to validate poolys secret little player ranking list website.

The woman/child who compiled the 7list is obviously not aware that 7 in South Africa is blindside.

Starts a bit of debate though.

My issue is when you can't see the criteria. If it's a team of year all well in good but when it says current what time period is it based on ?? If it's current why is Mccaw there ? Had a horrible season but like carter was great in the last part of season. In that case is it based on last 3 games etc Etc

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:36 pm

I've obviously not made it up, it's a site I found that are running a top 10 in each position, I've disagreed with some selections.

Quite interesting that you're rubbishing the site yet you know nothing about it.

"The woman/child who compiled the 7list is obviously not aware that 7 in South Africa is blindside"

I'll think you'll find it was CJB who put Alberts down as a 7.

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Post by CJB Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:58 pm

Bit off to say woman/child mate

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:12 pm

Reading on the move sorry CJB. All
I was getting at was let's see the site to see what they are basing it on. Interested to read the site.

It's odd to post something from a site with no links for people to check it out.

Having lobbe in top 5 open sides and Armitage is very odd. Just like to read rugby sites so let's have a look at it


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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:13 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:I'd say for most positions there's no much between 3-10 anyway and you can make an argument based on taste for almost any order within those ranks.

Naturally I think you are all underrating Robshaw Wink 
Personally think Ardie Savea probably should be on the list too


Good point re after 3 it becomes a matter of taste

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:14 pm

Not sure it's that odd to have Armitage in a list of top opensides to be honest.
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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:21 pm

Surprising selection
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_60698,00.html

Any one watching the AB's game tomorrow?? Should be an odd one as there are a lot of untried combinations

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:24 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Not sure it's that odd to have Armitage in a list of top opensides to be honest.


To be top 3 odd to me. If he was 9/10 I could see why. Not playing international rugby will always affect how he is viewed when he finishes playing.

I never thought he could hack it at int level but have been swayed that maybe he might have made it after seeing him at Toulon.
We will never know unfortunately

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:47 pm

It's all opinions end of the day, I've no issues with Armitage in a top 10.

Top 10 8's:

1. Kieran Read
2. Sergio Parisse
3. Duane Vermeulen
4. Billy Vuinipola
5. Samu Manoa
6. Toby Faletau
7. Jamie Heaslip
8. Louis Picamoles
9. JM Leguizamon
10. Johnnie Beattie

Chris with 3 of the top 5 the greedy bugger.

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Post by BamBam Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:08 pm

Good to see JDV back

I'll have a look at these lists later, some funny ones for sure!

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:20 pm

Again on current form would be vermaulen parisse with read a way off. Although Read will come good. I tend to judge players more on their int performances than s15

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:23 pm

Johnnie Beattie not first choice for club or country. Very odd. Picomoles not been near playing most of year.

Think you have last years pooly not this years. Makes more sense

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:34 pm

Picamoles has 22 apperances for Toulouse this season Matt after getting fit start of November. Was in the french squad for 6 nations till picking up an injury but been playing regularly for Toulouse since.

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Post by BamBam Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:42 pm

Just seen Vermeulen might miss the world cup, big loss for them

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:48 pm

Yeah neck surgery isn't it Bam? Seen Douglas got the call up for Oz as well.

On the Kriel 13 link Matt put up. Hope he doesn't become another Taute. Looked great when he first came on to the scene but got constantly switched around and fell away.

Anyone seen Toulouse's pop at Johnstone for playing for Samoa? Pelous putting a marker down early by the looks of things.


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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:50 pm

Taute had big injury issues as well which were more of a factor in him not kicking on I reckon.
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Post by BamBam Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:57 pm

Yeah neck surgery, they reckon it's best for him medium to long term, but sad for such a quality player to miss out on the RWC if he can't make it

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:00 pm

Sale have brought in Mujati for next season

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