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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:49 pm

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Breaking News: London Wasps regain their crown following playoff final victory. 
 


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2014/2015 – London Wasps
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers 
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons 
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons 
2009/2010 – Saracens 
2008/2009 - London Irish





                                             

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2Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 12Sale Sharks *2218046165467068497482
3Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 9Northampton Saints     2216066065535362518678
4Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 7Harlequins *2212286055644160543862
5Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 4Leicester Tigers2211295515411047470957
6Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 1Bath Rugby *2210111572579-7575531151
7Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 2Gloucester2291125825775585331251
8Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 8Newcastle Falcons *229112553579-26525331050
9Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 11Saracens *229211546578-32475311050
10Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 48Exeter Chiefs *227411538568-30465401146
11Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 50London Welsh224018513601-88456101228
12Season 8 Homepage I - Page 16 5London Irish *222218531601-70436411627

 
Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game.  Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to.  If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
 
 
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players.  If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 23 players.  Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1993. 

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will receive two additional bids to be used exclusively on academy age players. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by the RFU on its own merits before being accepted or rejected.  No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by the RFU against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
    Player Draft
    Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will participate in a player draft beginning the week of June 22nd. Both sides will be allowed to draft two players each. The draft picks will go as follows; 1. Worcester 2. Wasps 3. Wasps 4. Worcester.

    Round Bidding
    There will be two rounds of bidding. The first window will run the week starting June 29th and the second the week starting July 3rd. All sides will be allowed to sign one player each during the window. These bids are not protected if you do not have the funds in place to bid during the window you will lose the bid.     

    Open Bidding
    From July 13th the foreign market will be open to all bids similar to previous seasons. Due to the world cup the window will remain open till the end of September. 

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players.  Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches.  These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will pm the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved).  An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result.  To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box. 
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions 
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
Bonuses will be awarded on a scaled basis i.e. 2m for 5 games, 1.6m for 4 games and so on
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:52 pm

Broadhiurst carries well and had most offloads in s15. I personally think he may be found to be not up to the top level. He deserves his chance though based on form and may well prove me wrong.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:57 pm

Far too much is put on the ability to run a line out in this game. It isn't that difficult within an international team.

Much more important for lifters and jumpers to get there timing right as well as obviously the throws. It's much more often the lifting pods fault rather than the Hooker.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:05 pm

I'd say the opposite, a top line out operator is worth his weight in gold.

As Matt always says, good line out ball is great to attack off.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:19 pm

Good lineout ball is important for sure, but you don't have to be Matfield or POC to ensure you get it is Steves point I think.  Plenty of good operators around who get underated as they are also good at other aspects.  We like to pigeon hole players based on their strongest area, and then underate them in others as a counter balance.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:28 pm

Possibly, but a top line out op is a real bonus imo. Look at the state of some nations set piece and how they struggle to get any good ball from the line out, it totally hinders their game.

It's like anything on here though, if you're weak in a certain area you don't tend to look for it as much in other teams.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:41 pm

Great to see Socino starting at 12 for Argentina

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Post by BamBam Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:08 am

Reckon it's important to distinguish between top line out callers and top line out jumpers, they aren't always the same

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:30 am

Totally agree Bam.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:43 am

My point is that the ability of Victor Matfield to call a lineout doesn't make the 2 lifters and a jumper do there job,or the thrower his.

There is a skill in understanding the throwers confidence and fatigue. Matfield and POCs skill in my view is there own jumping technique and there ability to read and decipher the opposition calls.

I simply don't believe that a lineout caller makes a huge difference and certainly not as much as comes across here.

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Post by Driver Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:54 am

Agreed Steve and Pete.

Can put money on most teams knowing through intensive training where the balls going in the lineout before they even get there
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Post by BamBam Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:06 am

I think we're on the same page Steve, I would agree that being able to be a guaranteed source of your own ball like Matfield was in his prime, while also being a great reader of opposition line out is the true barometer of a line out forward

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:21 am

Of course it doesn't mean clean ball but it helps. A top caller/reader knows how to vary and this goes a long way to getting safe ball on your own throw.

I don't think it's looked at too much on here, if anything it's the opposite. When does a team ever lose by having a poor line out (hooker/leader etc)? Where in real life a poor line out can cost you the game.

It's always made a big part of my prediction, decent set piece ball is vital imo, especially in English conditions.

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Post by Guest Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:12 am

Steven_Sharks wrote:My point is that the ability of Victor Matfield to call a lineout doesn't make the 2 lifters and a jumper do there job,or the thrower his.

There is a skill in understanding the throwers confidence and fatigue. Matfield and POCs skill in my view is there own jumping technique and there ability to read and decipher the opposition calls.

I simply don't believe that a lineout caller makes a huge difference and certainly not as much as comes across here.



100% agree

Last year etzbeth took
The most Lineouts of any player in the RC. He did not call the lineout.
Is that due to Matfield or who ever was calling it ??

The answer is no.

5 generally calls the lineout as they are in the middle and have a better perspective than the front. It's an utter nonsense the importance of caller in this game

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Post by Guest Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:14 am

BamBam wrote:I think we're on the same page Steve, I would agree that being able to be a guaranteed source of your own ball like Matfield was in his prime, while also being a great reader of opposition line out is the true barometer of a line out forward


That was Matfield and many others key strength/
Reading the lineout

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:38 am

Seems to me the people without a top line out caller are playing down the importance of it in the game..... Whistle

I wonder if Flux (POC), Luke (Matfield) etc feel the same?

End of the days it's personal preference, would Matfield still be playing Int rugby if he didn't run a top line out?

I always put a lot on it in predo's, others put very little on it, it's totally personal.

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Post by Guest Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:13 am

When Matfield retired south Africa's lineout on their own ball did not differ. The amount of steals and pressure on the oppositions did as they had lost their best jumper on opposition ball.

Ab's don't put any stock on lineout caller which probably tells you what you need to know




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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:39 am

Because Flip came straight in and was immense.

Both Retallick and Whitelock run the line to a top standard. I'm pretty sure the AB's put a lot having a top caller as they have 2.

All opinions and personal perspective. As I said earlier, the people without a top line caller on here don't seem to put that much on it which tallies up with their opinion.

Just look at the state of Wales line out over the years.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:11 pm

Retallick is a top caller, yet doesn't do it for the Chiefs, where Symons calls the lineout, yet Symons not rated as a caller. Go figure!
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Post by Fluxy Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:32 pm

Line out for me is a sum of its parts as well as the components that are in play. 

Take an example from this weeks games (my opinion and please don't think I'm picking on anyone for who I've chosen!),

Gloucester:
         4 Taofufina 5 Etzbeth
6 Alberts    8 Heaslip     7 Savea 


Bath:


         4. Kitchener     5. Matthews
6. Gaskell   8. Beaumont   7. Northcote Green


Glos have Etzebeth, Heaslip, Alberts/Taof. All for me big heavy guys but the likes of Ezte and Heaslip dynamic to be good components. Etze great in defence, but rarely calls, the only guy that would call for me would be Heaslip. 


Bath on the other hand, full of tall dynamic jumpers that get off the ground extremely quickly. Kitchener, Gaskell and Beaumont all with experience of calling a line and Matthews and Northcote Green go up quite well. For me this battle in the set piece would depend on style, if Bath wanted quick ball off the top they would get it with ease, unless they called it to where Ezte was jumping/defending, then it would be pretty close. If Glos wanted to bring it down and go tight they would get the upper hand. 


What I'm trying to say is a top caller helps, but needs a balance around him. Lawes for England has Wood as a go to ball. Ireland have POC, France would have Chouly etc etc. Prop has Hooper from Bath who calls the line and is a bit of a dog around the pitch yet probably doesn't get rated because he doesn't play internationally (likewise Symons for Pete), yet I would say they would lead a line well with the right guys around them. 

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:13 pm

Is there any other option for predos but pm's?

I don't have a laptop and everytime I go to do it on my phone as one big message it deletes or page goes wrong. I'm pretty good with technology so it's not just being clumsy with fingers. When it's a busy weekend it's nearly impossible to do them anyway timewise with a pm as they dont seem to be designed for phones.

Would I be allowed to just predict normally?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:17 pm

I've seen Retallick call for Chiefs Pete, I haven't seen Symons and don't view him as being able to do so.

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Post by BamBam Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:21 pm

Steve I found the same on my phone, resorted to writing them out in notes then copy pasting into a PM and formatting them afterwards

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Post by Fluxy Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:29 pm

To be honest I used to the same as Bam, but eventually found (in my case) that doing them as early as possible works.

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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:55 am

I am same as Steve. What would really help is a summary of
Games on thread so can put scores against.

I put scores in iPad/iPhone notes and copy across. Still a pain. Been at cricket last few weekends and next Friday Saturday so a pain.

That said think they work better.
think pm
Predos and the explanations are a great improvement.

Also the competitiveness of all teams is great. Game in great shape


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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:12 am

Argentina really treating this tourney as a development exercise.
Odd side and true to their word re resting certain players.

Lavanini is some player if right. Hoping he comes through properly.

Interesting centre pairing for them but I feel a poor one

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Very amusingly


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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:14 am

Good to see Joe Simpson still
In mix and foden. I am
A big croft fan but don't agree with him being involved despite him
Offering so much if fit.


"There are still other players outside the Denver group to come into consideration, such as injured trio Joe Simpson, Tom Croft and Ben Foden. Harlequins No 8 Nick Easter, who did not travel because of a bad back, is also still in the frame."

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:43 am

I can't see Simpson getting anywhere near and hopefully Croft won't either, he looked poor when he came back.

Easter is the only one with a valid shout I reckon, reads like a bit of a lip service comment.

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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:01 am

Simpson apparently will get game time
Against France.

Croft would improve the side/squad if fit but he has not played games.
Can't go in to a World Cup undercooked

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:22 am

Croft was poor when he came back mid season, looked extremely under physical, it would be joke if he was selected.

I'd be extremely surprised if Simpson was involved, he's not been involved so far so why now?

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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:35 am

Croft had a good 6n off the bench and added impact. In a squad lacking experience its bordering moronic to not have someone who gives you great options.

However that is if he is fit. He patently isn't and is undercooked so no point in taking him

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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:37 am

Croft had a good 6n off the bench and added impact. In a squad lacking experience its bordering moronic to not have someone who gives you great options.

However that is if he is fit. He patently isn't and is undercooked so no point in taking him

Same with Hartley. Experienced sides win world cups.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:46 am

I must have missed Croft have a good 6N. I just seen him make a few average sub appearences and mainly get bullied when he turned out for Leiecester.

Fit or not, on his showings over the last year Croft is not an international quality player currently.

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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:50 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I must have missed Croft have a good 6N. I just seen him make a few average sub appearences and mainly get bullied when he turned out for Leiecester.

Fit or not, on his showings over the last year Croft is not an international quality player currently.

That will be your blinkers Whistle

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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:08 pm

Great day of games today. SA vs NZ is probably the biggest game in rugby

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:10 pm

I'll be surprised of Foden or Croft go to be honest. Both are competing in areas where we have a lot of players of a similar level, and Bomber clearly has his favourites, and they are not in that category. Easter may sneak in, as he covers lock as well as the back row. Simpson is an interesting one. He had a great second half of the season, but Bomber doesn't seem to be huge fan. Youngs is nailed on, and then after that I have no idea who Bomber will go with. Care, Simpson, Wigglesworth and Dickson are all very different players, and style of play may well be deciding factor.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:22 pm

Let's stick to rugby Matt, no need to get personal.

Agree Pete, I can't see either going. With Simpson never having a sniff you'd expect him not to go.

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Post by Guest Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:29 pm

I think it was Chris or Bam who made the point that it's realistic that all 3
Teams in out group could beat each other and we could be chasing points. Simpson could give us serious impact against lesser nations.

Likewise would like to see foden in the squad, he is ten times the player that Goode is at int level despite his faults

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:34 pm

Mat, I don't disagree with you about Foden being far more of an attacking threat than Goode. The issue he has is that we will take 5 back three players at most, and given 6 Nations selections I think Brown, Watson and Nowell are nailed on to go as the current first choice back three. That leaves two spots available, and given that both Watson and Nowell are full back/wings, I can't see him taking Foden who is the same. I can see Yarde (if he has trained well) and May making up the back three slots.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:39 pm

That said, Goode may go, but I think his selection will depend on what Bomber does with Slade. if Slade goes, Goode won't, as Goode's main selling point in a 31 man squad is that he could be the 3rd 10 at a push. If Slade goes, then he's not needed in that role.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:46 pm

Wings are interesting.

May, Yarde and Ashton are all poor defenders at times so any could go. I read SL say he's putting a lot on fitness and if a selection is close he'll go for the fitter guy. Ashton was the fittest player in the squad in tests apparently.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:54 pm

Yarde did himself no favours moving to Quins last year. When he left Irish, he was in form and first choice for England. Arguments about his defensive culpability against New Zealand aside, that is fact. Having moved, it took him over half a season to settle in and find form, as it often does when players move clubs, and others have gone ahead of him. If he doesn't make the squad, he has only himself to blame.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:58 pm

Totally agree Pete. Fit and firing he's better than May and Ashton

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Post by dammit_chris Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:28 pm

Is an interesting selection for our back three - I wouldn't take him but can see Goode making the squad as just seems Lancasters type of player.

Wingers I don't think anyone has cemented their place at all in terms of who our best players are - you'd think it's likely that Watson and Nowell will be starting and in the squad.

Feel sorry for Foden as he was just getting into good form before injury. One thing that could be in his favour could be that he's been selected by Lancaster on the wing for England.

Can't see anyone who didn't make the squad get in though - still think Lancaster is crazy not giving Wade and Simpson a go in the squad.

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Post by prop_lyd Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:32 pm

Brussouw sat nonu down then, don't see that often
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Post by Driver Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:42 pm

He got dished!
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Post by Driver Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:45 pm

Pollard missed a sitter
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:54 pm

Just tuned in, Boks playing some nice stuff, WLR is magic

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:54 pm

Typical NZ

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Post by BamBam Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:08 pm

Missed the first half, just saw the half time highlights, Who is playing well?

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