Golovkin basically puts Ward on Blast

First topic message reminder :

So, a couple of days ago, Andre Ward basically said Golovkin and his team are actively avoiding him, and that he hasn't fought anybody. In reply, Golovkin apparently said this (I use apparently because I can't speak a lick of Russian, and can only assume the translation is true)

"Hey, Ward, wake up! Why are you talking
trash about other people? Speak for yourself.
If you're trying to make a name for yourself
by mentioning me to build up your own fight,
then be a man about it and tell the truth. At
our meeting with HBO they asked us whether
we are ready to box. You know our answers -
I said yes, you said no. You said something
about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not
interested in the reason, I only heard your
"no." But you remember that HBO said then
that they would need a long time to build-up
the fight. Then what the Frak are you talking
about excuses?"
"If you do provocative attacks, do not even
think that Loeffler [Gennady's K2 promoter]
will buy into them. You haven't been
interesting to anyone for a long time, so he
will no longer engage in the promotion of
your name. Go and build your own image.
Although everyone already knows what you
are, and because of this, they do not go to
your fights."
"You shouldn't worry about who I'm going to
box or have boxed. You, like the rest, were
lucky with the "Super Six" tournament because
you got your opponents by contract. And who
are you fighting now? The fourth-fifth ranked
fighters in England...If I say that I'm ready to
box any middleweight and ready to rise to 168
for a big fight, then I am responsible for the
words. And I have nothing left to discuss with
you. As a man, you are dead to me."


http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I don't mind the ribbing from people, but outright lies and malice? I've said time and again he's a playground bully and its just tolerated here

Yeah the guy has even made insults against Welsh soldiers to try and get a rise out of me. Plus he cannot debate at all without resorting to insults and patronising 'you don't know anything about boxing' type comments. I gave you a ribbing but that was in the early days. He does indeed get away with anything but I guess the place would be quiet without him. Nice to know you are privileged though :-)

Any chance of this getting back on topic soon?

Rowley wrote:Any chance of this getting back on topic soon?

No. I mean what the hell has Golovkin beating Ward on points in Vegas got to do with anything?

Steffan wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I don't mind the ribbing from people, but outright lies and malice? I've said time and again he's a playground bully and its just tolerated here

Yeah the guy has even made insults against Welsh soldiers to try and get a rise out of me. Plus he cannot debate at all without resorting to insults and patronising 'you don't know anything about boxing' type comments. I gave you a ribbing but that was in the early days. He does indeed get away with anything but I guess the place would be quiet without him. Nice to know you are privileged though :-)

I'm sorry...

So golovkins team are saying they'll fight ward in a 50:50 split at 164lb. Sounds like a cop out to me for a guy "who'll fight anyone from 154 to 168"

Or a negotiating tactic trying to squeeze a little more money out of the match.

Hopefully shah, I think it's hands down the best fight available for both.

Bored of this now,

Apparently Golovkins promoter said he will only fight him at 164, go up to the weight or stop whining.

“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder (at) 164 (and) a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tune-up fights.”

What is this 'A side' rubbish, just fight each other or shut up

He fights Froch at 168 but wants to drain Ward, will be a hollow victory, because Ward is a huge super middleweight

Ward fought smith at 170, so they know he's struggling to get to 168lb. 

How good would it be to see golovkin v ward at 168, then see ward go to 175 for Stevenson and kovalev.

Heartbreaking how this guy's management haven't been able to get him a top opponent in 5 years.....

Tragic...

Boxing makes cynics out of everyone involved. I hoped GGG would be different, but after it turned Martinez, I was a little worried this would be the case. Probably happened to Cotto too, but he was almost certainly a prik already.

Boxing makes cynics out of everyone involved. I hoped GGG would be different, but after it turned Martinez, I was a little worried this would be the case. Probably happened to Cotto too, but he was almost certainly a prik already.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Bored of this now,

Apparently Golovkins promoter said he will only fight him at 164, go up to the weight or stop whining.

“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder (at) 164 (and) a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tune-up fights.”

What is this 'A side' rubbish, just fight each other or shut up

He fights Froch at 168 but wants to drain Ward, will be a hollow victory, because Ward is a huge super middleweight

Ward would do the same if he was in Golovkin's position (the smaller man and bigger star). Ward forced Chad Dawson to fight him at 168 if you recall.

Bottom line is that these catchweight fights hurt the sport. Every fight comes with an asterix. No-one talks about Ward's win over Dawson without mentioning the fact Dawson was weight-drained. And so it goes.

Dawson insisted on the lower weight Haz so he could keep his title

So golovkin is the big name now? Great so that excuse can now be put to bed. Roll on the big fights. 

Anyhow I'd argue that ward with Beyoncé's backing is still arguably the bigger cash cow.

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ShahenshahG wrote:Dawson insisted on the lower weight Haz so he could keep his title

Yep - just checked back and despite Dawson stating this recently:

"My honest opinion is it was definitely a set up by HBO and other people, too. It was set up for me to come in at 168. I would be vulnerable and they could expose it and he would look good at the same time. That's just my opinion on the whole situation. We could've done it at a catch weight where we both would've been comfortable but they wanted it at 168."

There are no end of pre-fight quotes where he suggested moving down to '68.

There was an element of Ward seizing upon Dawson's bravado, though:

"He said he'd come down to 168, so we're going to bring him down to '68."

jimdig wrote:So golovkin is the big name now? Great so that excuse can now be put to bed. Roll on the big fights. 

Anyhow I'd argue that ward with Beyoncé's backing is still arguably the bigger cash cow.

I'd be interested to hear that argument?

Golovkin can do no wrong so its a pointless argument, Ward defended his title at the full limit against Dawson so don't see an issue. Shah is also right in his assertion that it was Dawson who wanted the fight at 168lbs so he could retain his title.

Who would you guys pick to win?

I go for Ward UD. He would probably get hurt along the way.

AdamT wrote:Who would you guys pick to win?

I go for Ward UD. He would probably get hurt along the way.

Ward's extremely difficult to beat - he controls the ring and the distance between himself and his opponent extremely well. I think Ward's size advantage could prove telling but he'd be in a real fight against Golovkin (as he would against Kovalev). Hopefully we'll get to see him against one of the pair in the near future.

I agree, Ward can also spoil and fight on the inside when required. I wouldn't fully count out GGG, he is yet to show what he is fully capable of.

I would like to see it. If not GGG, then Kovalev for sure. I think that might prove to be more difficult for Ward. Would still probably make him favourite. He is a fantastic fighter.

You said it...............Five years as middle champ and he is yet to show what he is capable of....

Marco Huck is apparently unhappy with him..........He's been left out of the list of fighters who are apparently ducking him and wants to know why ???

AdamT wrote:I agree, Ward can also spoil and fight on the inside when required. I wouldn't fully count out GGG, he is yet to show what he is fully capable of.

I would like to see it. If not GGG, then Kovalev for sure. I think that might prove to be more difficult for Ward. Would still probably make him favourite. He is a fantastic fighter.

He's hard to beat if a bit uninspiring. I'd prefer Golovkin to land the winner of the Cotto vs Canelo fight for all the marbles at middleweight.

Ward has looked dominant at 168 and fights with Kovalev and Stevenson appeal but he may wish to remain at 168. There are still challenges there. DeGale, Groves and Dirrell would all be decent opponents.

Ward said he went up to GGG's manager and asked him about all this "Ward is ducking GGG crap"...Said he looked at the floor with a sheepish grin on his face...

All talk and no action...

Reminds me of when Reagan used to slap Gorbachov around.......You guys want to read about the summits in the 80s.......Used to tell Gorby to "Shut up while I'm talking!!"...

He knew who the Daddy was..

Ward all day long....They don't like it up em...

'Murica!!

All we're missing is Apollo Creed and James Brown...

"Livin in America " "ow de ow!!"

Ward all day long....They don't like it up em...

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/pew-pew-pew-merica.jpg

How much did you pay Toppy to pose ??

He accepted the living wage.

That's about all I get after this fooking budget....!!

hazharrison wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:Bored of this now,

Apparently Golovkins promoter said he will only fight him at 164, go up to the weight or stop whining.

“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder (at) 164 (and) a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tune-up fights.”

What is this 'A side' rubbish, just fight each other or shut up

He fights Froch at 168 but wants to drain Ward, will be a hollow victory, because Ward is a huge super middleweight

Ward would do the same if he was in Golovkin's position (the smaller man and bigger star). Ward forced Chad Dawson to fight him at 168 if you recall.

Bottom line is that these catchweight fights hurt the sport. Every fight comes with an asterix. No-one talks about Ward's win over Dawson without mentioning the fact Dawson was weight-drained. And so it goes.

And I give Ward no credit for beating Dawson, I'm pretty sure no one else does either

hazharrison wrote:

jimdig wrote:So golovkin is the big name now? Great so that excuse can now be put to bed. Roll on the big fights. 

Anyhow I'd argue that ward with Beyoncé's backing is still arguably the bigger cash cow.

I'd be interested to hear that argument?

Ward got 2 million to fight smith. Golovkin isn't making 2 million fighting Monroe. 

Just googled it, golovkin picked up 1.5.

jimdig wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

jimdig wrote:So golovkin is the big name now? Great so that excuse can now be put to bed. Roll on the big fights. 

Anyhow I'd argue that ward with Beyoncé's backing is still arguably the bigger cash cow.

I'd be interested to hear that argument?

Ward got 2 million to fight smith. Golovkin isn't making 2 million fighting Monroe. 

Just googled it, golovkin picked up 1.5.

Golovkin is doing bigger TV numbers and bigger gates (therefore, theoretically, generating more revenue). Ward's picking up bigger purses - as Roc Nation would appear to be overpaying him to be their flagship 'name' - but does that make him a 'cash cow'? Golovkin drew 12, 000 against Monroe; Ward 9, 000 against Smith. Golovkin scored 1.3m viewers on HBO; Ward a paltry 325k on BET.

Saying that: Monroe picked up only $100k while Smith cleared $225k (so opponents are - apparently - better paid facing Ward). You do wonder how fledgling companies like Roc Nation can possibly be sustained.

Yep, that was my point. Beyoncé/roc nation are throwing more money behind ward, I was aware there are more eyes on golovkin. 

Golovkin is closer to being a ppv draw though, hbo have been working him, east coast / west coast, big cable figures, big gates, they just need that marquee name to take the leap to ppv.

Regardless of numbers, GGG is the one who's never fought anyone. He's the one who's 'desperate' to land a big fight. Doesn't sound that desperate if he's d1ck swinging about getting the A side and bringing Ward down to 164 when a fight with Froch at 168 was a-ok!

Just not buying GGG's fight anyone, anytime line anymore. Seems happy to be the guy trading on his cartoon power, knocking out the level below.

From 147lbs Mayweather to 168lbs Froch, they're all running scared? Do me a favour.

Haz is a fanboy.....He isn't interested in facts..

Facts are .......He hasn't fought anyone top draw in five years and we are supposed to get behind him because he's a "real" fighter...

If Monroe jr, Macklin types fancy their chances...I've no doubt Ward fancies his....

This ducking crap is wearing thin..

Dipper Brown wrote:Regardless of numbers, GGG is the one who's never fought anyone. He's the one who's 'desperate' to land a big fight. Doesn't sound that desperate if he's d1ck swinging about getting the A side and bringing Ward down to 164 when a fight with Froch at 168 was a-ok!

Just not buying GGG's fight anyone, anytime line anymore. Seems happy to be the guy trading on his cartoon power, knocking out the level below.

From 147lbs Mayweather to 168lbs Froch, they're all running scared? Do me a favour.

I agree. Whoever came up with this - it sounds like Loeffler rather than Golovkin - has put him in a really poor light. It can't be fine to fight Froch at 168 but not Ward (which, as you've pointed out, does his PR no good at all).