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Post by George Carlin Mon 29 Jun 2015, 9:34 am

TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Nz_pro12          TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Pumas_10
New Zealand v Argentina
17 July 2015
KO: 19:35 local (07:35 GMT, 17:35 AEST, 04:35 ART, 09:35 SAST)
AMI Stadium Addington, Christchurch

TV TBC

Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Assistant referees: Angus Gardner (Australia), Stuart Berry (South Africa)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)

A. Recent History

08 September 2012 - Westpac Stadium, Wellington: 21 – 5 to New Zealand
29 September 2012 - Estadio Único, La Plata: 5 – 54 to New Zealand
07 September 2013 - Waikato Stadium, Hamilton: 28 – 13 to New Zealand
28 September 2013 - Estadio Único, La Plata: 15 – 33 to New Zealand
06 September 2014 - McLean Park, Napier: 28 – 9 to New Zealand
27 September 2014 - Estadio Único, La Plata: 13 – 34 to New Zealand

B. Squads

1. New Zealand

Backs: Israel Dagg, Ben Smith, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Charles Piutau, Cory Jane, Waisake Naholo, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith, Malakai Fekitoa, Ryan Crotty, Ma'a Nonu, Sonny Bill Williams, Dan Carter, Beauden Barrett, Colin Slade, Lima Sopoaga, Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Tawera Kerr-Barlow.

Forwards: Kieran Read, Victor Vito, Richie McCaw (capt), Sam Cane, Jerome Kaino, Liam Messam, Matt Todd, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Jeremy Thrush, Luke Romano, James Broadhurst, Owen Franks, Charlie Faumuina, Tony Woodcock, Wyatt Crockett, Ben Franks, Joe Moody, Dane Coles, Keven Mealamu, Codie Taylor, Hika Elliot.

2. Argentina

Horacio Agulla, Matías Alemanno, Marcos Ayerza, Marcelo Bosch, Gonzalo Camacho, Santiago Cordero, Agustín Creevy, Tomás Cubelli, Jerónimo de la Fuente, Matías Díaz, Felipe Ezcurra, Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe, Juan Figallo, Lucas González Amorosino, Santiago González Iglesias, Juan Martín Hernández, Ramiro Herrera, Santiago Iglesias Valdez, Juan Imhoff, Facundo Isa, Martín Landajo, Tomás Lavanini, Juan Manuel Leguizamón, Tomás Lezana, Benjamín Macome, Pablo Matera, Julián Montoya, Matías Moroni, Lucas Noguera, Javier Ortega Desio, Guido Petti Pagadizabal, Nicolás Sánchez, Leonardo Senatore, Juan Pablo Socino, Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro, Joaquín Tuculet.

C. Teams

1. New Zealand
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15 Israel Dagg
14 Waisake Naholo
13 Ma'a Nonu
12 Sonny Bill Williams
11 Charles Piutau
10 Daniel Carter
09 TJ Perenara

08 Kieran Read
07 Richie McCaw (c)
06 Jerome Kaino
05 Brodie Retallick
04 Luke Romano
03 Owen Franks
02 Keven Mealamu
01 Tony Woodcock

16 Codie Taylor
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Nepo Laulala
19 Jeremy Thrush
20 Liam Messam
21 Andy Ellis
22 Colin Slade
23 Ryan Crotty

2. Argentina
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15 Joaquin Tuculet
14 Horacio Agulla
13 Marcelo Bosch
12 Jeronimo Chief De la Fuente
11 Santiago Cordero
10 Nicolas Sanchez
09 Tomas Cubelli

01 Marcos Ayerza
02 Agustin Creevy (c)
03 Ramiro Herrera
04 Manuel Carizza
05 Guido Petti
06 Juan Manuel Leguizamon
07 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe
08 Facundo Isa

16 Julian Montoya
17 Lucas Noguera
18 Nahuel Chaparro Tetaz
19 Benjamin Macome
20 Javier Ortega Desio
21 Martin Landajo
22 Santiago Gonzalez Iglesias
23 Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino


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Post by aucklandlaurie Mon 29 Jun 2015, 9:54 am


We've got to beat Samoa first, before we start worrying about the Rugby Championship.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 29 Jun 2015, 10:21 am

Laurie - I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you may beat them.
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Post by yappysnap Mon 29 Jun 2015, 10:40 am

If NZ don't woooop Samoa then ill be amazed

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Post by Guest Mon 29 Jun 2015, 11:45 am

It'll be a cobbled together AB team.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 29 Jun 2015, 12:32 pm

Yes, for those people that haven't been following the weekend's results the problem with the Samoa game is that two NZ teams are facing off in the Super Rugby final a couple of days later and won't be released for the midweek international.

This in the Herald:
The All Blacks will call in reinforcements for next week's test against Samoa to cover for the loss of 17 players thanks to the all-New Zealand Super Rugby final between the Hurricanes and Highlanders.

The absence of 12 Hurricanes and five Highlanders will leave the selectors short in several areas for the historic match in Apia on Wednesday, July 8. They are especially thin at lock, midfield, wing and fullback.

At least three players are likely to be called in. One could be two-test Crusaders lock Dominic Bird, with Chiefs duo James Lowe, a wing or fullback, and midfielder Charles Ngatai, possibly in the mix. Neither Lowe nor Ngatai has played a test, but with Charles Piutau and Israel Dagg returning from injuries, Lowe or another outside back could find himself on the reserves bench at least.

Blues midfielder George Moala, already in the squad as injury cover, is likely to be on the bench to cover for the absence of Ma'a Nonu, Conrad Smith and Malakai Fekitoa. If so, it will be Moala's first test, with Sonny Bill Williams and Ryan Crotty likely to start.

Crusaders halfback Andy Ellis is likely to be involved in his first test since the 2011 World Cup final, with Chiefs player Brad Weber providing cover in what will be his debut test. Ellis, who will probably start, finds himself back in the frame with Tawera Kerr-Barlow injured and Aaron Smith and TJ Perenara involved in this Saturday's final.

Ellis' teammate, prop Nepo Laulala, who has trained in Auckland during the week because of Charlie Faumuina's neck injury, will probably be on the bench.

If Dan Carter starts at No 10, Colin Slade is a possibility to play on one wing. It might add to what will look like a pick-and-mix line-up, but Slade is reliable under the high ball, is a good defender, and offers another goalkicking option.

An afternoon kick-off in front of a packed and partisan crowd at Apia Park will be a baptism of fire for many of the younger members of the squad, but there is a confidence among the selectors that they are well prepared.

"We've been planning for this," selector Grant Fox told Newstalk ZB yesterday. "We knew this was a potential outcome so there has already been a fair degree of chat on this. We can take 29 to Samoa so we obviously have to work out a playing XV, a bench of eight and cover elsewhere to make sure that if anything happens in the short time up there with injuries at training etc that we can get that covered."

Asked what sort of challenge his men faced against a Samoa squad already based in Apia and ready to play the All Blacks in a test at home for the first time, Fox replied: "We know what we're getting into. It's the first test of the year for us but I wouldn't underestimate where our boys will get to either. Everyone is talking up what Samoa will bring and that's a given, we understand that, but let's not forget about our group and what the occasion will mean to us and what we'll bring to it."

Possible match-day squad
15. Israel Dagg, 14. Charles Piutau, 13. Ryan Crotty, 12. Sonny Bill Williams, 11. Colin Slade, 10. Dan Carter, 9. Andy Ellis, 8. Kieran Read, 7. Richie McCaw (c), 6. Jerome Kaino, 5. Sam Whitelock, 4. Brodie Retallick, 3. Owen Franks, 2. Keven Mealamu, 1. Wyatt Crockett. Reserves: Tony Woodcock, Nepo Laulala, Hika Elliot, Luke Romano, Liam Messam, Brad Weber, George Moala, James Lowe.
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Post by nganboy Mon 29 Jun 2015, 12:44 pm

It's not that bad a team given who is not available
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Post by George Carlin Mon 29 Jun 2015, 12:58 pm

nganboy wrote:It's not that bad a team given who is not available
You fellers really are the masters of understatement, aren't you? Shocked
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Post by George Carlin Tue 30 Jun 2015, 2:11 pm

Just to divert the discussion about Samoa to its own thread:
https://www.606v2.com/t59618-samoa-v-new-zealand-8-july
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Post by BamBam Tue 30 Jun 2015, 4:39 pm

I guess the one positive about a Highlanders vs Hurricanes final from an All Blacks point of view is that there is no first choice forward playing in either pack

Might have been useful to look at a few of the backs (Naholo, Milner Skudder etc) in a game like this though

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Post by LondonTiger Thu 16 Jul 2015, 9:16 am

Argentina (v New Zealand):

15 Joaquin Tuculet, 14 Horacio Agulla, 13 Marcelo Bosch, 12 Jeronimo De la Fuente, 11 Santiago Cordero, 10 Nicolas Sanchez, 9 Tomas Cubelli; 1 Marcos Ayerza, 2 Agustin Creevy (c), 3 Ramiro Herrera, 4 Manuel Carizza, 5 Guido Petti, 6 Juan Manuel Leguizamon, 7 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, 8 Facundo Isa
Replacements: 16 Julian Montoya, 17 Lucas Noguera, 18 Nahuel Chaparro Tetaz, 19 Benjamin Macome, 20 Javier Ortega Desio, 21 Martin Landajo, 22 Santiago Gonzalez Iglesias, 23 Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino



Fair few names that are new to me there. Gotta love the first name of the inside centre.

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Post by Cyril Thu 16 Jul 2015, 10:05 am

This could be get very ugly for Argentina. I wouldn't be surprised if NZ put 40-50 on them.

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Post by George Carlin Thu 16 Jul 2015, 11:21 am

Teams are up, OP updated.

Piutau playing for all of you Ulster fans out there.
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Post by BamBam Thu 16 Jul 2015, 11:49 am

Argentina's front row looks awesome, as it so often does. Like the look of their 8, although I remember seeing him as a flanker previously. Cordero looked a real talent too

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Post by George Carlin Thu 16 Jul 2015, 12:27 pm

It's a very strong Pumas side all round, really.
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Post by Cyril Fri 17 Jul 2015, 9:46 am

Argentina are awful. They're trying to run everything and don't have the skills to do it. They're making silly mistakes and moving away from their strengths.

Not sure they deserve their place in this tournament at all. It was better when it was just the Tri Nations.

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Post by Cyril Fri 17 Jul 2015, 10:03 am

Argentina have improved a bit! Now NZ are playing awful.

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Post by Cyril Fri 17 Jul 2015, 10:17 am

Scrappy game. Lots of mistakes by both sides.

Easy win for NZ though.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Jul 2015, 7:48 pm

Impressive performance from NZ, their offloading was a joy to behold at times. Interesting to see Hansen complaining of "boring line out drives", perhaps he should concentrate more on defending them as it was a major weakness (the only real weakness I might add) in their performance. Fantastic scrum showing from NZ.

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Post by nganboy Sat 18 Jul 2015, 1:36 am

Yes nice to see the NZ scrum operate well. Interesting to note how most of the scrums we're well contested and stayed up mostly. Though a bit of twisting and turning in the second half. Perenara had a good game as did Franks. The backline will be a lot better with the return of the 3 Smiths and Savea.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Jul 2015, 2:07 am

George Carlin wrote:TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Nz_pro12          TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Pumas_10
New Zealand v Argentina
17 July 2015
KO: 19:35 local (07:35 GMT, 17:35 AEST, 04:35 ART, 09:35 SAST)
AMI Stadium Addington, Christchurch

1. New Zealand
TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Diane_10

2. Argentina
TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Bereni10
Mate, who's the talent in the pixx? They look familiar.....

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jul 2015, 3:02 am

Naholo out of RWC with broken leg

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11483193


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Post by Taylorman Sat 18 Jul 2015, 9:16 am

ebop wrote:Naholo out of RWC with broken leg

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11483193


Yep, they're talking Jane as the 'next' in line for that pos. ebop. I see Moala and Piutau ahead of Jane presently. What do you think?

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Post by Taylorman Sat 18 Jul 2015, 9:20 am

doctor_grey wrote:
George Carlin wrote:TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Nz_pro12          TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Pumas_10
New Zealand v Argentina
17 July 2015
KO: 19:35 local (07:35 GMT, 17:35 AEST, 04:35 ART, 09:35 SAST)
AMI Stadium Addington, Christchurch

1. New Zealand
TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Diane_10

2. Argentina
TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Bereni10
Mate, who's the talent in the pixx?  They look familiar.....

Hi ya doc...the kiwi one looks like Danielle Cormack who stars in the Aus. Series Wentworth about a women's prison, not a bad one either. Don't know the Argie one.

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 18 Jul 2015, 9:23 am

Argentinian one is an actress Berenice Bejo

And agreed on NZ one.

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jul 2015, 9:59 am

Taylorman wrote:
ebop wrote:Naholo out of RWC with broken leg

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11483193


Yep, they're talking Jane as the 'next' in line for that pos. ebop. I see Moala and Piutau ahead of Jane presently. What do you think?

Guttered for Naholo, he played well last night. Yeah I'm with you Tman, Jane is just not registering this year. Piutau played well enough last night and Moala handled himself well against Samoa. Piutau for me.  Oops, just watching Maori ABs v NZ Babarians and Jane has just limped off. The dude is having rotten luck.

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Post by George Carlin Sat 18 Jul 2015, 3:28 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Argentinian one is an actress Berenice Bejo

And agreed on NZ one.
Looks like you guys sorted that one out without me.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Jul 2015, 6:59 pm

Taylorman wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
George Carlin wrote:TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Nz_pro12          TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Pumas_10
New Zealand v Argentina
17 July 2015
KO: 19:35 local (07:35 GMT, 17:35 AEST, 04:35 ART, 09:35 SAST)
AMI Stadium Addington, Christchurch

1. New Zealand
TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Diane_10

2. Argentina
TRC Round 1: New Zealand v Argentina, 17 July Bereni10
Mate, who's the talent in the pixx?  They look familiar.....

Hi ya doc...the kiwi one looks like Danielle Cormack who stars in the Aus. Series Wentworth about a women's prison, not a bad one either. Don't know the Argie one.
Hold it a sec, mate.  You can't simply write that a girl like that is in a tv series about a women's prison without any dirty details.  A women's prison????  My juvenile mind is already forming unseemly visions which are could be both pleasurable and painful.......

Almost forgot:  Nice easy win for the ABs, especially for the first match of the season.  

How are things?  Doin' well?

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Post by profitius Sat 18 Jul 2015, 9:02 pm

Poor enough performance from Argentina. They only scored from a few mauls really but it was their first game. They'll be disappointed by the scrum.


Good performance from the ABs. They can afford to rest players and still win comfortably.


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ebop wrote:Naholo out of RWC with broken leg

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11483193


Yep, they're talking Jane as the 'next' in line for that pos. ebop. I see Moala and Piutau ahead of Jane presently. What do you think?


I didn't get to see too much super rugby this year but one thing about Jane is his big game mentality. He was one of the stars of the last world cup. When many NZ players were feeling the pressure he stepped up.
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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat 18 Jul 2015, 10:17 pm

ebop wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
ebop wrote:Naholo out of RWC with broken leg

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11483193


Yep, they're talking Jane as the 'next' in line for that pos. ebop. I see Moala and Piutau ahead of Jane presently. What do you think?

Guttered for Naholo, he played well last night. Yeah I'm with you Tman, Jane is just not registering this year. Piutau played well enough last night and Moala handled himself well against Samoa. Piutau for me.  Oops, just watching Maori ABs v NZ Babarians and Jane has just limped off. The dude is having rotten luck.


I agree with this, what impresses me a bout Piutau is that I cant work out whether he's a right or left wing?


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Post by Guest Sun 19 Jul 2015, 2:16 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
ebop wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
ebop wrote:Naholo out of RWC with broken leg

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11483193


Yep, they're talking Jane as the 'next' in line for that pos. ebop. I see Moala and Piutau ahead of Jane presently. What do you think?

Guttered for Naholo, he played well last night. Yeah I'm with you Tman, Jane is just not registering this year. Piutau played well enough last night and Moala handled himself well against Samoa. Piutau for me.  Oops, just watching Maori ABs v NZ Babarians and Jane has just limped off. The dude is having rotten luck.


I agree with this, what impresses me a bout Piutau is that I cant work out whether he's a right or left wing?


True, didn't realise he'd started four times on each wing until I just read it in the news. He's a solid performer in the ABs and industrious so he gets my vote. I recall he had a great debut or maybe it was just in his early games where he got right in amongst it so he has the right temperament.

Do you guys think Naholo was a realistic chance to make the RWC squad before his injury? I'm probably wrong, but I thought he was going to be the bolter that actually would have become a starter. Don't think the AB coaches/selectors work like this in general but he just looked so comfortable on debut against the Argies that he could have done it.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sun 19 Jul 2015, 3:24 am


Most definitely a realistic chance, his problem is however that Ben Smith covers as a wing and would always be ahead of him.

Fekitoa covers wing as well as being a mid fielder, and hes a head of him.

Slade provides extra cover to Carter and Barrett, but also covers wing so hes ahead of him.

Piutau covers both wings (and hopefully not fullback) and hes ahead of him.

The thing that Naholo did have over all the above sadly was that he was the form winger.

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Post by George Carlin Tue 21 Jul 2015, 5:55 am

Highlights for anyone who missed the game:



Strangely deflating game.

Great looking Pumas side on paper - they just crippled themselves with all of those mistakes.
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Post by nganboy Tue 21 Jul 2015, 11:46 am

Don't mention Moala and the All Blacks together in front of me! I think he's a turnover waiting to happen.
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