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Post by George Carlin Tue 30 Jun 2015, 2:04 pm

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SAMOA v NEW ZEALAND
8 July 2015
KO: 3pm local, 2pm NZ, 12pm Australia
Apia Park, Apia

Live on Fox Sports 3, SHD Supersport, Sky Sport 1 New Zealand and Sky Sports 1

Coverage on Sky Sports 1 from 2.45 am UK/Ireland time

Referee: Jaco Peyper (SA)
Assistant Referees: Jaco's Mates
TMO: Some Bloke

A. Recent History

5 Played 5
0 Won 5
5 Lost 0
308 Points For 56
56 Points Against 308
+252 Points Difference -252

B. Squads

1. Manu Samoa

Wayne Ole Avei, Ma'atulimanu Leiataua, Viliamu Afatia, Census Johnston, Anthony Perenise, Sakaria Taulafo, Kane Thompson, Teofilo Paulo, Iosefa Tekori, Faatiga Lemalu, Alafoti Faosiliva, Jack Lam, Ofisa Trevarinus, Maurie Faasavalu, TJ Ioane, Kahn Fotualii, Peleifofoga Cowley, Tusiata Pisi, Michael Stanley, Alofa Alofa, Ken Pisi, Alesana Tuilagi, Faialaga Afamasaga, Johnny Leota, Paul Perez, Tim Nanai Williams, Ah See Tuala

2. New Zealand**

Backs - Israel Dagg, Charles Piutau, Ben Smith, Nehe Milner Skudder*, Cory Jane, Waisake Naholo*, Julian Savea, Malakai Fekitoa, Conrad Smith, Sonny Bill Williams, Ma'a Nonu, Ryan Crotty, Colin Slade, Lima Sopoaga*, Dan Carter, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Charlie Ngatai*, Seta Tamanivalu*, Tom Taylor, Andy Ellis, George Moala*, Brad Weber*  

Forwards - Kieran Read, Victor Vito, Liam Messam, Jerome Kaino, Sam Cane, Richie McCaw, Matt Todd, Luke Romano, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Jeremy Thrush, James Broadhurst*, Dane Coles, Keven Mealamu, Codie Taylor*, Hika Elliot, Wyatt Crockett, Tony Woodcock, Ben Franks, Owen Franks, Joe Moody, Charlie Faumuina, Nepo Laulala*, Ofa Tu'ungafasi*

* = Denotes an uncapped player.

** = The squad will be reduced to 29 players for this match. 17 members of the listed squad have been declared ineligible for selection due to Super Rugby commitments.

C. Teams

1. Manu Samoa
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(1-15): Sakaria Taulafo, Ole Avei, Census Johnston, Teofilo Paulo, Kane Thompson, Alafoti Faosiliva, Jack Lam, Ofisa Treviranus (c), Kahn Fotualii, Tusi Pisi, Alesana Tuilagi, Johnny Leota, Paul Perez, Alofa Alofa, Tim Nanai-Williams

Reserves: Ma’atulimanu Leiataua, Viliamu Afatia, Anthony Perenise, Joe Tekori, Maurie Faasavalu, Pele Cowley, Faialaga Afamasaga, Ken Pisi

2. New Zealand
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(1-15): Tony Woodcock, Keven Mealamu, Owen Franks, Luke Romano, Sam Whitelock, Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw (c), Kieran Read, Andy Ellis, Daniel Carter, Charles Piutau, Sonny Bill Williams, Ryan Crotty, George Moala, Israel Dagg

Reserves: Hika Elliot, Wyatt Crockett, Nepo Laulala, Brodie Retallick, Matt Todd, Brad Weber, Colin Slade, Charlie Ngatai


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Post by George Carlin Tue 30 Jun 2015, 2:10 pm

This match deserves a thread of its own. It is historic.

Some facts:

* Astonishingly, it is the first time that the All Blacks have ever played in Samoa.

* It is the first game played by New Zealand in the Pacific Islands which has been awarded full test match status. 

* Tim Nanai Williams from the Chiefs is set to make his Samoa debut if selected.
 
* Census Johnson came out of international retirement for this game only.

* Jeff players name in the squad include Kane Thompson, Alafoti Faosiliva, TJ Ioane, Kahn Fotuali'I, Ken Pisi, Alesana Tuilagi and Johnny Leota.

* London Irish's Ofisa Treviranus is captaining Samoa.
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Post by The Saint Tue 30 Jun 2015, 6:45 pm

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* Census Johnson came out of international retirement for this game only.

Did he retire due to pressure from Toulouse, or was that just a rumour? Be a shame if true.

Also where's George Pisi?

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Post by George Carlin Sun 05 Jul 2015, 10:44 am

Can't believe that we don't have teams up yet.
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Post by Notch Sun 05 Jul 2015, 1:25 pm

What time is it on UK time? Hopefully get to see it.
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Post by George Carlin Sun 05 Jul 2015, 1:30 pm

Notch wrote:What time is it on UK time? Hopefully get to see it.
By my rudimentary calculations, it will be 3am UK time. Which you would argue is rubbish.
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Post by Notch Sun 05 Jul 2015, 1:33 pm

Yeah, I'm not going to see it.
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Post by George Carlin Sun 05 Jul 2015, 1:43 pm

Notch wrote:Yeah, I'm not going to see it.
You can borrow my one year old son if you like.

He will make sure that you are definitely up at that time.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Sun 05 Jul 2015, 2:20 pm

This will be physical if nothing else. Tough one to ref I'd expect.

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Post by George Carlin Sun 05 Jul 2015, 2:29 pm

Yes, and apparently the players are looking at 29 degrees C with 70% humidity too.

Let's expect some handling errors.
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Post by Notch Sun 05 Jul 2015, 8:08 pm

New Zealand: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 George Moala, 13 Ryan Crotty, 12 Sonny Bill Williams, 11 Charles Piutau, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Andy Ellis, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw (c), 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Luke Romano, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Keven Mealamu, 1 Tony Woodcock

Replacements: 16 Hika Elliot, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Nepo Laulala, 19 Brodie Retallick, 20 Matt Todd, 21 Brad Weber, 22 Colin Slade, 23 Charlie Ngatai
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Post by emack2 Sun 05 Jul 2015, 9:39 pm

Incredibly strong team versus Samoa,previously Nz Juniors,or Nz Maori [A sides]played
them in Pacific Championship.or Churchill Cup.

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Post by Guest Mon 06 Jul 2015, 6:53 am

Manu Samoa

15. Tim Nanai-Williams
14. Alofa Alofa
13. Paul Perez
12. Johnny Leota
11. Alesana Tuilagi
10. Tusi Pisi
9. Kahn Fotuali'i
8. Ofisa Treviranus (c)
7. Jack Lam
6. Alafoti Faosiliva
5. Kane Thompson
4. Teofilo Paulo
3. Census Johnson
2. Wayne Ole Avei
1. Sakaria Taulafo

Reserves: Ma'atulimanu Leiataua, Viliamu Afatia, Anthony Perenise, Iosefa Tekori, Maurie Faasavalu, Pele Cowley, Faialaga Afamasaga, Ken Pisi.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 06 Jul 2015, 7:58 am

Preview from Fox Sports Australia:
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen hands starting debut to George Moala for Samoa Test

Robert Lowe & Daniel Gilhooly, AAP
July 06, 20153:34PM

THE All Blacks’ build-up to their historic encounter with Samoa in Apia will have a festival atmosphere, including a public parade the day before.

But it will be all seriousness when New Zealand take the field on Wednesday for their first official Test in the Pacific islands.

“If we don’t take them seriously, we’ll get one right between the eyes,” coach Steve Hansen said before the team’s departure from Auckland on Monday.

“They’re a good side. You look at the players they’ve got.

“They’re performing well in the UK, a lot of them, and those that aren’t in the UK have been performing well here.”

The All Blacks have faced Samoa five times for five comfortable wins, all in New Zealand.

Hansen said the venue made the upcoming clash totally different.

“You’ve got a whole nation that are going to be lining the streets,” he said.

“From what I’ve read, already the place is going off and that emotion can really lift a player. We have to meet that emotional charge and make sure we’re ready.”

With the players from the Highlanders and Hurricanes ruled out because of their involvement in the Super Rugby final, Hansen has named four debutants in the match-day 23.

There is one starter in wing George Moala and three on the bench in midfielder Charlie Ngatai, halfback Brad Weber and prop Nepo Laulala.

But there is also plenty of experience in a side, especially in the forwards, where there are almost 650 caps among the starting eight.

The selection also features recalls for hooker Hika Elliot and halfback Andy Ellis, the former getting a spot on the bench to cap his remarkable comeback from a career-threatening neck injury.

Ellis, who benefits from the unavailability of the three halfbacks named in the original 41-man squad, is in the starting 15.

The 31-year-old has played 26 Tests, but none since the 2011 World Cup.

His last act in an All Blacks jersey was to kick the ball out at the end of the final to conclude New Zealand’s victory over France.

Hansen said it had been interesting watching Ellis’ return to the All Blacks environment, including his quips to journalists during a media opportunity.

“A lot of things have changed since he was last here and there’s a lot of nerves which he’s probably fudging with a lot of funny stuff,” Hansen said.

“That’s the effect the jersey can have on you sometimes because it’s a wonderful place if you can stay here, but it’s a daunting place if you think you’re on the edge of it.”

Hansen said that highlighted a balancing act before the World Cup squad was named.

“During these next five Test matches, one of our balancing acts as a management is to make sure those guys feel comfortable and can just be themselves and exhibit their skills, so we can make good judgments when we pick the 31 to go to the World Cup.”

Meanwhile, Samoan players will make it a priority to stay calm in the white-hot atmosphere of Wednesday’s historic Test against the All Blacks.

A mature team was deliberately named on Monday by coach Stephen Betham for the clash in Apia, the first time the All Blacks have played a Test in the Pacific islands.

Chiefs fullback Tim Nanai-Williams will make his Test debut and the only other uncapped player is Faialaga Afamasaga as backline reserve cover.

Afamasaga is the only Samoan-based player in a team mostly comprising European-based professionals.

Betham said a player leadership group created for the Test had stressed the need to not get carried away, especially early on when Apia Park is expected to be a sea of noise.

“They spoke about controlling the aggression. Because if we don’t control that aggression, the game can fly off the handle,” Betham said.

“Pressure is already there this week and the boys know that it will be even more when we go on the park but it’s something that we’ve sat down and talked about.”
The only players not based in Europe are Nanai-Williams, South African-domiciled centre Paul Perez, veteran Japanese club five-eighth Tusi Pisi and 22-year-old reserve halfback Pele Cowley, who plays club rugby for Pukekohe.

London Irish No 8 Ofisa Treviranus is captain and one of eight starting players to have notched more than 20 caps — a lot for Samoa, who average three-four Tests a year.

The most experienced player is 50-Test Toulouse prop Census Johnston, who announced his retirement earlier this year but has agreed to return for their World Cup campaign.

Betham says the midfield was difficult to select because of the unavailability of previous servants George Pisi, Alapati Leiua and Rey Lee-Lo.

Perez plays on the wing for the Natal Sharks but fills a gap at centre, where he used to play for Taranaki.

There was a fierce battle for loose forward spots. World Cup stand-out Maurie Faasavalu is on the bench, usurped by Treviranus, former Hurricane Jack Lam and surprise blindside flanker choice Alafoti Faosiliva, who plays for English club Bath.
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Post by aucklandlaurie Mon 06 Jul 2015, 9:11 am


Sonny Bill Williams and Tim Nanai-Williams are cousins. but team mates at the chiefs.

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Post by king_carlos Mon 06 Jul 2015, 2:23 pm

Surprised that George Pisi isn't involved.

Also it's incredible that Sinoti Sinoti isn't in the squad but Alesana Tuilagi made it!

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Post by George Carlin Mon 06 Jul 2015, 2:37 pm

I think that George Pisi is injured.
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Post by George Carlin Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:20 pm

Can any one of our SANZAR brethren/sistern tell us whether anyone in NZ gives much of a poop about this game?
The silence on this thread has been somewhat deafening. Tumbleweed
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Post by The Saint Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:32 pm

NZ care about every game. Otherwise they wouldn't have record breaking win ratio's! It's a good opportunity to bring Carter back and try a new centre pair I guess.

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Post by Notch Mon 06 Jul 2015, 8:02 pm

Every time we play New Zealand the line gets trotted out that they don't want to be the first All Blacks team to ever lose to Ireland. They are extremely motivated to retain their incredible record. They have made history off the pitch by agreeing to play in Apia. They will not want to let Samoa make history on it.
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Post by dallym Tue 07 Jul 2015, 12:39 am

people do care about it in NZ. but it's on a wednesday, a couple of days after an all NZ super rugby final so it has crept up on everyone. there is excitement though

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Post by blackcanelion Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:33 am

Pretty much dead on. Last two weeks have been big. The hype is building up though.

Should be a good game. Hot 31 degrees c, humid, passionate (it's been declared a national holiday). Big bodies, big hits. samoas had as much/more preparation than they usually get, the AB's backline looks a bit makeshift. All points to a great day.

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Post by Geordie Tue 07 Jul 2015, 8:41 am

I still cant believe Samoa have picked Alex Tuilagi over Sinotti.

And I should know...they both play for us...and its not even a competition who I would pick!

Also, does this test now mean Samoa have "officially" moved ahead of Tonga and Fiji and are seen as a genuine tier 1 side?

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Post by George Carlin Tue 07 Jul 2015, 8:51 am

Nice piece in the Herald about previous Samoan upsets.

Welsh fans should probably not read this:
The greatest moments in Samoan rugby

By Chris Rattue
5:20 PM Tuesday Jul 7, 2015


Samoan rugby supporters have endured an up and down ride for many years as they battled the game's heavyweights and issues such as getting players released from professional clubs. Scorelines have wavered between the sublime and the ridiculous.

We look at four of their greatest days as they attempt to take the biggest scalp of all - the All Blacks.

Samoa 16, Wales 13. Cardiff, 1991 (World Cup)
Samoa's breakout performance. If they don't beat the All Blacks, this will remain the most glorious day in their rugby history, coming four years after they were outrageously snubbed having not been invited to the inaugural World Cup in New Zealand.

The renowned British sportswriter Frank Keating described it thus: "In its long history the Arms Park cannot have witnessed such a sustained and devastating display of tackling. Time and again ball-carrying Welshmen at full pelt were clobbered amidships and thundered back a yard or more."

This was a signal that rugby's old order was under threat, the first time a seeded team had been tipped over by a so called outsider.

As to the magnitude of the upset, fair to say that rugby aficionados on this side of the world were better acquainted with what Samoa were capable of. Not that they got their dues here.

After the game, the late Peter Fatialofa - the Samoan captain - said: "Very few rugby-playing countries have visited us in our history. Hopefully, after today's result, many more teams will come to play us." Welsh supporters were heard to joke "luckily we didn't play all of Samoa" - reference to the team's name of Western Samoa at the time.

Samoa 34, Wales 9. Moamoa, 1994
With Apia Park damaged by cyclones, the game was played at nearby Moamoa where a strong Welsh side was obliterated by the Peter Fatialofa-led Samoans, with the feared hitman Brian Lima scoring twice. Wales were limited to three Neil Jenkins penalties. A Samoan family named their newborn baby Wales Manu Samoa 9-34 Moamoa Gale in honour of the achievement. The kid apparently loved his name to the point that he grew up supporting Wales.

Samoa 38, Wales 31. Cardiff, 1999 (World Cup)
Oh no, not again. More Welsh angst and a third consecutive loss to Samoa. Coached by Graham Henry, Wales were on a glorious winning run that included the scalps of South Africa, England and France. But despite a dominant scrum, they were brought crashing down by a Manu Samoa team which had played the powerful Argentinians just four days earlier. Fullback Silao Leaega scored 18 points. In an era of different eligibility rules, Samoa included All Blacks Pat Lam, Va'aiga Tuigamala and Stephen Bachop. Snap for Wales, who had Shane Howarth at fullback which only led to further embarrassment for the team in red. Howarth and fellow Kiwi Brett Sinkinson were later ruled to have been ineligible to play for Wales in the first place. With the Samoan team having dropped Western from their name, at least Welsh supporters could jest they had lost to all of Samoa this time.

Samoa 32, Australia 23. Sydney, 2011
Aussie wing Rod Davies, making his test debut, might still be feeling the bruises inflicted by his giant opposite Alesani Tuilagi. He wasn't the only one obliterated by the hard hitting Samoans. The Robbie Deans-coached Wallabies were stunned, as were most in the 30,000 crowd. The Samoan players celebrated with a stirring Manu Siva Tau after the game and Davies gave credit to Tuilagi saying "the only way is up from here". He has never played for the Wallabies again.
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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 07 Jul 2015, 9:13 am

George Carlin wrote:Can any one of our SANZAR brethren/sistern tell us whether anyone in NZ gives much of a poop about this game?
The silence on this thread has been somewhat deafening. Tumbleweed

This test is extremely important, every test the ABs play is exactly that - a test, its a game that must be won, and that is not negotiable.Its the first test for the ABs this year, the selections are somewhat uncomfortable as the Highlanders and Hurricane ABs were not available, so we have to make do with this mob.

Everyone knows that Samoa are going to come out and absolutely smash the ABs, The crowd will be chaotic, the temparature will be to the locals advantage and some of our Players ie Kaino, SBW and Piutau have played very little rugby over the last month or so and shouldnt be walking straight into a test match.

Mccaw and the managment team have to be both smart and focussed, get those first couple of points, create a gap, take the crowd out of it then process the remainder of the game to the 80 minute mark.

Reputations are all "at large", to play well now could see players carry on to play in the Rugby Championship, a competition that must be won, and the ABs cant develop a habit of winning if they dont put on a top quality performance against Samoa tomorrow.

Just because there is a deafening silence from us, dont be mistaken, we are dead set serious, and this team of players will be thousand times more serious.

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Post by yappysnap Tue 07 Jul 2015, 9:18 am

Can't see anything but a humping for Samoa here, which is a shame

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Post by George Carlin Tue 07 Jul 2015, 9:30 am

Guess that answered my question - thanks.

Interestingly, word from camp is that as an awful lot of the Samoa team play in the NH, they aren't particularly well acclimatised to the heat or humidity either.
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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 07 Jul 2015, 9:39 am


Dont get sucked in by that propaganda George, the temparature in Auckland today was 13 Degrees, the temparature in Apia is about 30 degrees, what sort of temperatures have they had at Wimbledon?

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Post by George Carlin Tue 07 Jul 2015, 9:49 am

I like to think that my gullibility is a key aspect of my 'happy-go-lucky' charm.
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Post by SecretFly Tue 07 Jul 2015, 11:51 am

Suits you, sir.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 07 Jul 2015, 11:54 am

yappysnap wrote:Can't see anything but a humping for Samoa here, which is a shame

I hope they are humped.

Wouldn't be nice to be humped by a side in the World Cup that were humped by Samoa earlier in the year. It wouldn't be proper cricket, methinks!

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Post by yappysnap Tue 07 Jul 2015, 11:30 pm

All these teams running round humping each other

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Post by The Saint Wed 08 Jul 2015, 12:25 am

George Carlin wrote:Nice piece in the Herald about previous Samoan upsets.

Welsh fans should probably not read this:

Too late!

Is this game on Sky Sports orrr?

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:09 am

NZ looking bright but Samoa trying to tackle them hard and put them off their game. Samoa go offside and Carter gets three points to start the scoring.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:12 am

We're only eight minutes in but NZ already looking like they will be a handful. Samoa just can't get their hands on the ball.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:16 am

90% territory for NZ after 12 minutes. Carter misses a second penalty effort, so the score stays 0-3.

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Post by GLove39 Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:19 am

Tremendous Samoan defence in the face of all this All Black possession. Ominous for pool B.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:21 am

Late tackle on Carter draws another penalty. Kick looks like it will go wide but hits the post and scores. 0-6 after 18 minutes.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:25 am

Owen Franks catches Luke Romano in the face, so the lock goes off for treatment.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:27 am

Samoa get a penalty as McCaw is pinged for not rolling away. Long kick but Pisi gets it and the score goes to 3-6

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:31 am

Good chance for Samoa down the left wing but the pass inside goes astray under pressure from the All Black cover defence.

Next phase sees NZ attacking down the left. Ball is recycled and Samoa again penalized in the middle of the pitch in range for Carter. He makes it 3-9 and Romano rejoins the game.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:35 am

Nice period of play by both sides ends with an All Black attack down the right. Samoan player offside at the ruck and NZ go for touch. Romano back off.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:38 am

NZ lineout malfunctions but Samoa get penalized on their own put-in at the scrum. Penalty is nearer the posts and Carter slots it for a 3-12 All Black lead.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:44 am

Samoan defence is committed but they need more accuracy when they have their own ball to cause any problems. Pisi has made a mess of two touch finders, while handling errors have choked off some other phases.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:45 am

First half ends 3-12.

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Post by GLove39 Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:45 am

Well so far it hasn't been worth staying up for

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:55 am

Final score was 16-25. A try apiece but the same points difference as at half time.

Game ended well but the occasion proved greater than the spectacle.

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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:56 am

Lot of respect being shown by both sides in the post-match interviews.

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Post by George Carlin Wed 08 Jul 2015, 5:42 am

Thanks for these updates, Rugby Fan - much appreciated.
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Post by George Carlin Wed 08 Jul 2015, 12:37 pm

Highlights for those who missed it - looked fairly epic:

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