This is Cheating!

by hawkeye Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:25 am

First topic message reminder :

This is what Kyrgios did to gain advantage over Wawrinka in their 2nd round match in Montreal

http://thebiglead.com/2015/08/12/nick-kyrgios-to-stan-wawrinka-kokkinakis-banged-your-girlfriend-sorry-to-tell-you-that-mate/

Not only is it cheating but it should in my opinion been punished with a code violation. I believe it should have been judged as a major incident of aggravated behavior and should have resulted in Kyrgios being defaulted. It could be considered verbal abuse, unsportsmanlike behavior and conduct contrary to the integrity of the game. According to the ATP rule book a singularly egregious, a single violation of any of these offenses shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior. This carries a penalty of immediate default and can also result in suspension from the ATP tour.

So why was Kyrgios not penalized? If the Umpire didn't hear at the time penalties can be given retrospectively when evidence is discovered. My guess is that the ATP is so worried about selling the game post FeDal they are will even stoop to selling it as a circus Kyrgios is probably being paid more for this sort of behavior (in endorsements) than he is for his tennis skills Rolling Eyes

It is also a way of gaining advantage in matches that doesn't involve tennis skills at all Rolling Eyes

by barrystar Tue 25 Aug 2015, 12:57 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:"injured parties"

Poor souls.

Come on, Haddie, be open to debate or being labelled arrogant. Injured parties is a ludicrous way to discuss someone who got a rather immature insult aimed at him. I find the furore around this at best pathetic and at worst completely contrived to attack an unpopular player.

"injured parties" was my expression, and as should be clear from my post I was saying that I thought that things were getting out of hand in terms of the desire to punish Kyrgios, that in tennis terms it seemed like a pretty minor offence, and that the best remedy for Kyrgios's general unpleasant behaviour and his insult was a bout of unpopularity with sponsors/fans/his fellow pro's until such time as he grows up.

I described Stan and his lady as the "injured parties" to make it clear that I was not somehow suggesting that Kyrgios is the wronged party, it was not to emphasise their hurt - that expression was also in a part of the post in which I suggested that Stan's reaction would have been better if he had been shorter and more pithy. You are slightly guilty of taking that expression out of its original context.

by Jeremy_Kyle Tue 25 Aug 2015, 1:03 pm

Classic case of storm in a teacup. If he had said that someone had bang** someonelses wife I would justify all this furore and noise. But actually he said that to someone who had, according to the media, just cheated on his wife. Not a nice story overall, infantile, stupid behaviour ok, nothing more than that though.

by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 1:06 pm

and the punishment reflects that. Its clever, "well let this one go Nick as long as you bucklw down for 6 months"

by Guest Tue 25 Aug 2015, 1:24 pm

For me Stan needs a bit of Dingham!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlLUhZ-NHHE

by Jeremy_Kyle Tue 25 Aug 2015, 1:24 pm

Yes, sensible decision by the ATP.

by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 1:39 pm

barrystar wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:"injured parties"

Poor souls.

Come on, Haddie, be open to debate or being labelled arrogant. Injured parties is a ludicrous way to discuss someone who got a rather immature insult aimed at him. I find the furore around this at best pathetic and at worst completely contrived to attack an unpopular player.

"injured parties" was my expression, and as should be clear from my post I was saying that I thought that things were getting out of hand in terms of the desire to punish Kyrgios, that in tennis terms it seemed like a pretty minor offence, and that the best remedy for Kyrgios's general unpleasant behaviour and his insult was a bout of unpopularity with sponsors/fans/his fellow pro's until such time as he grows up.

I described Stan and his lady as the "injured parties" to make it clear that I was not somehow suggesting that Kyrgios is the wronged party, it was not to emphasise their hurt - that expression was also in a part of the post in which I suggested that Stan's reaction would have been better if he had been shorter and more pithy. You are slightly guilty of taking that expression out of its original context.

But you were right anyway they were

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 25 Aug 2015, 1:51 pm

Seems very soft for offhand comments in a heated moment to be some course for such furore though? And of course people will come out against him, its the easy position and the best PR position. It does seem very sensitive, especially when "human rights" are brought into things. I'd suggest the lad is well within his human rights to say what he said too.

by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 1:57 pm

Why do bother Doh

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:02 pm

Your arrogance astounds me.

by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:16 pm

I would sooner be called arrogant than ignorant
Lets hope that somebody posts your private life on 606 for the world and his wife to chew over.. something tells me you would question there right to do so. But then that would be because it affects you rather than anyone else. Headscratch

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:21 pm

Unfortunately for you it appears that you are both, Haddie.

I think it says more for your character and stance on this that, whilst you think it so appalling, you would happily wish it happen to someone who disagrees with you.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:28 pm

I suggest you have your last comment and we then drop this as we are not going to agree and there is more than enough petty arguing on this forum, but it would be unfair of me to go from poster to mod and just give myself the last word.

by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:28 pm

Im surprised that you are keeping this childish exchange up to the limit as you are a moderator and all.. you have now called me both ignoranT and arrogant.. did I call you ANYTHING at all. Frankly I should report you for that but you are not worth the effort.

I would repeat that if you were defending your rights to privacy I would support you in that... as I have said it is every persons right to do so

[/THAT makes me both ignorant and arrogant does it.. [b]THEN SO BE IT

Now you have finished hurling personal insults at me might I suggest you go and do what you are supposed to do Moderate. !!!!!!!!
In the meantime clap

ATP

by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:29 pm

Dolph, look I dont wanna be that guy, but thats a bit too personal. I can see it both ways ten years ago this meant nothing, but social media makes it more of a big deal. Maybe a truce time?

by LuvSports! Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:29 pm

This is Cheating! - Page 5 Starwars3_clip28

Your arrogance blinds you master yoda!

by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:31 pm

Yet another insightful post.. contributing what ???

by Guest Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:32 pm

I was just thinking that!

"Now you will experience the full power of the dark side of the force"

We need to stop thinking on the same page!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:38 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:
Now you have finished hurling personal insults at me might I suggest you go and do what you are supposed to do Moderate. !!!!!!!!

We are going to have to disagree on which one of us was being personal and which one of us was merely reacting. I have kept away from this section during this thread's life because I found your posting style to be confrontational and very passive-aggressive. I will happily PM you right this second and go through each of the posts you have made to me and point out the insults from each of them.

And I would also hasten to add that the moderators here and not here to solely moderate, they are in fact users of this website who also offer their time for moderation. Much like the admins are merely users of the website who are also admins, and even up to Hero and Adam who are not CEO's of some high-traffic media organisation, but merely creators of a website that they themselves enjoy spending their time on.

by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:49 pm

Look listen everyone please. here are several incidences of passive aggressive, confrontational, and dismissive posting from a number of users, and mods at different times. But both you guys please this is close to an all out fight, lets stop the name calling.

Its hard enough to try and moderate this place when going through a period of bad depression, this is becoming actively upsetting to me right now to see this, plus the other stuff so please just take an hour from each other, just for me ... please Crying or Very sad

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:49 pm

barrystar wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:"injured parties"

Poor souls.

Come on, Haddie, be open to debate or being labelled arrogant. Injured parties is a ludicrous way to discuss someone who got a rather immature insult aimed at him. I find the furore around this at best pathetic and at worst completely contrived to attack an unpopular player.

"injured parties" was my expression, and as should be clear from my post I was saying that I thought that things were getting out of hand in terms of the desire to punish Kyrgios, that in tennis terms it seemed like a pretty minor offence, and that the best remedy for Kyrgios's general unpleasant behaviour and his insult was a bout of unpopularity with sponsors/fans/his fellow pro's until such time as he grows up.

I described Stan and his lady as the "injured parties" to make it clear that I was not somehow suggesting that Kyrgios is the wronged party, it was not to emphasise their hurt - that expression was also in a part of the post in which I suggested that Stan's reaction would have been better if he had been shorter and more pithy. You are slightly guilty of taking that expression out of its original context.

Oh, sorry Barry, I have taken that completely out of context. Still, its made me and Haddie the best of friends so it was all worth it. I do apologise though, I've grabbed at a phrase whilst being too lazy to contextualise kiss

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:51 pm

temporary21 wrote:Look listen everyone please. here are several incidences of passive aggressive, confrontational, and dismissive posting from a number of users, and mods at different times. But both you guys please this is close to an all out fight, lets stop the name calling.

Its hard enough to try and moderate this place when going through a period of bad depression, this is becoming actively upsetting to me right now to see this, plus the other stuff so please just take an hour from each other, just for me ... please

For you, Temp, anything. I am quite sure I crossed the line, sometimes you just need to step over it a little bit to see what the view is like from that side.

In terms of the depression, go for a walk or find an engrossing, character driven book. Both are good for the mind and have helped me in the past. Hug

by LuvSports! Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:51 pm

LK thought it was a worthy contribution Hug

. Haddie hating on me again Sad

by Guest Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:54 pm

I was on the hunt for the gif and you surpassed me! Hug

It's plain light-hearted banter. Nothing malicious or anything. If anything just trying to create a laid back environment and not one where people get offended if a mouse farts!

by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:55 pm

I cant dolph, I have 6 months to finish a thesis... and I cant even focus on it, through all the arguments here, even the slightest of sarcy comments are hurting a lot...

I just wish wed all understand its just tennis, and get along a bit more

by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:56 pm

LuvSports! wrote:LK thought it was a worthy contribution . Haddie hating on me again

Then stop digging at me you..........bad person Hug

by LuvSports! Tue 25 Aug 2015, 2:59 pm

I find mouse farts very offensive.

by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:00 pm

Thanks Guys, I really needed something on this god forsaken place to be nice today.

by LuvSports! Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:02 pm

Speaking of farts, this should make ya chuckle temp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHfllwAUdIM&index=13&list=LL46N5o2dk_bxPxHc0XNTA5A Very Happy

by Guest Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:03 pm

Look temp.

I am not one to disclose personal things, but I say this now. I have spent the last 6 months recovering from a psychotic breakdown and that coupled with a job which stretches my foundations to the very limit. You strive for everyone to get along and when they attempt to push the envelope and have a jab (all innocent I might add) you jump in. There is no need to follow the letter of the law. Don't make yourself rigid. Right now I am not comfortable posting in jest because of being picked up on it or tasked. It makes this place more depressing for me. That's why I find a degree of comfort with BB/HM/JHM/LS and others.

What needs to stop is this ultra-over sensitive offence to anything about anyone's favourite player. That's aimed at all.

If I had my time as mod again I would've been less hands on. Everyone here is grown up. Most conflict peters out once the energy in it has gone.

For your own sanity temp, let it go. If it get's bad, people have the report function. Don't tire yourself out fanning flames which don't have as much as a spark to it. Hug

by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:09 pm

I appreciate the support lk, I hope youre recovering well.
Its frustrating that most of the overreaction is a mistake, someone assuming someone hates a player and without a voice to listen to the comment, takes it straight out of context

by LuvSports! Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:11 pm

Can you imagine if I was a mod? Or jahu! Very Happy

I'd vote for him.

by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:18 pm

I actually really dont mind an edge, a bit of ribbing, but I have always wanted it to be good natured, and it never feels like it is, noone ever seems to be friendly to one another, and its tiring, in the end I cant be bothered to be friendly either.

by hawkeye Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:39 pm

Hey people. Life can be tough and cruel but sport should be a bit of escapism. In the end it is of no importance if Rafa is better than Roger (or even vice verca Wink

). I would hate to think that anyone was genuinely upset by anyone's views on tennis. But there is no excuse for rudeness or nastiness. Sorry to hear of your problems temp and lk.

by Jahu Tue 25 Aug 2015, 3:53 pm

LuvSports! wrote:Can you imagine if I was a mod? Or jahu! I'd vote for him.

LF has lost the love for me, so I lost the position for the mod Laugh

by **laverfan** Wed 26 Aug 2015, 1:52 pm

Jahu wrote:
LuvSports! wrote:Can you imagine if I was a mod? Or jahu! I'd vote for him.

LF has lost the love for me, so I lost the position for the mod

That is not true. kiss

by Jahu Thu 27 Aug 2015, 9:18 am

Thanks LF, now I can sleep better kiss

by bogbrush Thu 27 Aug 2015, 9:49 am

legendkillarV2 wrote:Look temp.

I am not one to disclose personal things, but I say this now. I have spent the last 6 months recovering from a psychotic breakdown and that coupled with a job which stretches my foundations to the very limit. You strive for everyone to get along and when they attempt to push the envelope and have a jab (all innocent I might add) you jump in. There is no need to follow the letter of the law. Don't make yourself rigid. Right now I am not comfortable posting in jest because of being picked up on it or tasked. It makes this place more depressing for me. That's why I find a degree of comfort with BB/HM/JHM/LS and others.

What needs to stop is this ultra-over sensitive offence to anything about anyone's favourite player. That's aimed at all.

If I had my time as mod again I would've been less hands on. Everyone here is grown up. Most conflict peters out once the energy in it has gone.

For your own sanity temp, let it go. If it get's bad, people have the report function. Don't tire yourself out fanning flames which don't have as much as a spark to it.

I think this place probably needs to have me as Head Mod. I wouldn't be in all the time but would set the direction for my minions (applications by pm, please) and step in now and then when necessary. All very light touch, as you'd expect.

by bogbrush Thu 27 Aug 2015, 9:55 am

temporary21 wrote:I actually really dont mind an edge, a bit of ribbing, but I have always wanted it to be good natured, and it never feels like it is, noone ever seems to be friendly to one another, and its tiring, in the end I cant be bothered to be friendly either.

Really? I can make a long list of posters who I feel there is a reciprocal amiable relationship with - and non-Fed fans figure prominently.

Ok, I am the sort of easy going guy who tends to get along with people most of the time (I make accommodation habitually, to a fault some say)

by Jahu Thu 27 Aug 2015, 10:00 am

bb for MOD!

+1, but then you need to be balanced for all players.

by HM Murdock Thu 27 Aug 2015, 10:17 am

bogbrush wrote:I think this place probably needs to have me as Head Mod.

This could be fun. A Head Mod who is instinctively against a Head Mod having much power!

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 27 Aug 2015, 11:00 am

bogbrush wrote:I make accommodation habitually, to a fault some say

You run a nice B&B, bb?

by greengoblin Thu 27 Aug 2015, 11:44 am

How do you apply to be a mod?

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 27 Aug 2015, 12:06 pm

You don't apply, you get conscripted.

by HM Murdock Thu 27 Aug 2015, 12:24 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:You don't apply, you get ~~conscripted~~ press-ganged.

Fixed that for you.

by Jahu Thu 27 Aug 2015, 12:54 pm

greengoblin wrote:How do you apply to be a mod?

Wait in line GG, you are new here, I'm before you Laugh

by Jahu Thu 27 Aug 2015, 12:55 pm

HM Murdock wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:You don't apply, you get ~~conscripted~~ press-ganged.
Fixed that for you.

press-gang, is there a difference from gang-bang? As I'm ok with it? laughing

by HM Murdock Thu 27 Aug 2015, 1:08 pm

Jahu wrote:press-gang, is there a difference from gang-bang? As I'm ok with it?

by Jahu Thu 27 Aug 2015, 1:43 pm

Always nice to see you in a fun mood, papi Smile

by MMT1 Wed 02 Sep 2015, 6:27 pm

Count me in the, "This is much ado about nothing," camp. It was a silly locker room jibe that shouldn't happen, but making a huge deal out of it gives it legs it doesn't deserve. There have been much worse things said on a tennis court.

http://tennis-column.blogspot.com/2015/08/a-little-perspective-on-nick.html

by LuvSports! Wed 02 Sep 2015, 6:38 pm

How was Washington???

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