Lucian Bute

Pleased with Bute performance last night, wasn't fighting a great fighter but showed he still has something left in the tank. Always liked Bute, just hope he can get back into title contention

Never a force, no power, demolished by Froch.

If he was never a force, why were so many punters picking Bute to comprehensively outbox Froch? Wasn't Bute the betting favourite in that one?

Next you'll be saying Biggs was never a force before Tyson destroyed him.

Seemed to have some decent movement, but he got rocked just before he got the stoppage, he might be in some interesting fights down the line, but I think he has been Corbra'd *cringe*

A notch below world level, always has been (Andrade dropped a bloody big hint before he was wrapped in cotton wool) and always will be. But a near top level operator all the same.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Never a force, no power, demolished by Froch.

Load of nonsense.

Bute was very highly regarded fighter and was once a big force in the Supermiddlewight division.

Not to mention his pedigree at amateur level, check out his fight with Golovkin in the amateurs.....

My fear with the 35 year old Bute is that he appears to be oing the WBC route, which is going to be difficult with Groves fighting Badou Jack for he title.

If Badou Jack wins, he may get his crack at another title, however if Groves wins this could be detrimental.

Given that Groves may then take a warm up before fighting DeGale, and then the winner of DeGale-Groves may then defend against Callum Smith, it could be a case of Bute being frozen out of contention for 2-3 years, which makes it even more difficult given he will be 38 and have o have lots of fights in between to maintain his ranking.

Some sections of the boxing world however do feel that it is fair on balance, given that Bute wasnt part of the Super 6, and was able to hold and defend his IBF title for a long time, whilst not facing the best in the division, and was able to make a handsome sum doing this at that time.

Good points well made, Sheng.

If GG wins, Bute would still be a decent defence. But given GG's history with Froch, unless he scores a sensational ko, it won't ever go down as good a win and will continue to maintain GG's status as a notch below Froch.

Herman Jaeger wrote:If he was never a force, why were so many punters picking Bute to comprehensively outbox Froch? Wasn't Bute the betting favourite in that one?

Next you'll be saying Biggs was never a force before Tyson destroyed him.

In fairness to one two...Punters picked Bramble to beat Rosario....

Two things...............The ring magazine gave perennial loser Snipes the decision over Biggs in Dec 86......In Mar 87 Biggs scored a hail mary in the sixth round after looking destined to lose against the woeful David Bey.... in his next fight he fought Tyson.....From 84-86 he had terrible depression and alcohol related problems...

He was rushed into a Tyson fight because they wers scared he'd lose before he got to it........He wasn't a force in the division...

As for Bute I called him Slobodon Kacar after another stand up European fighter from the 80s.....I picked Froch to thrash him on here and two fights ago Pascal played with him...

Bute is nothing special and never will be....Journeyman in an era full of talent..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Herman Jaeger wrote:If he was never a force, why were so many punters picking Bute to comprehensively outbox Froch? Wasn't Bute the betting favourite in that one?

Next you'll be saying Biggs was never a force before Tyson destroyed him.

In fairness to one two...Punters picked Bramble to beat Rosario....

Two things...............The ring magazine gave perennial loser Snipes the decision over Biggs in Dec 86......In Mar 87 Biggs scored a hail mary in the sixth round after looking destined to lose against the woeful David Bey.... in his next fight he fought Tyson.....From 84-86 he had terrible depression and alcohol related problems...

He was rushed into a Tyson fight because they wers scared he'd lose before he got to it........He wasn't a force in the division...

As for Bute I called him Slobodon Kacar after another stand up European  fighter from the 80s.....I picked Froch to thrash him on here and two fights ago Pascal played with him...

Bute is nothing special and never will be....Journeyman in an era full of talent..

I remember the Bey fight, good fight actually, Bey wasn't as bad as you make out, but I think after that, many felt Biggs was going to have a tough time with Tyson.

I'd still contend however, that a pre-Tyson Biggs comfortably deals with Bruno. Donovan Ruddock beats Bruno too so I ask again, where does this notion that Frank rules today come from???!!

Bute was rubbish, always said it, but Ward seemingly didn't want to go anywhere near him, and many, including some on here, had Bute to batter Froch. Also, who's to say  Bute wouldn't have done better with Ward(not saying he wins mind,) than he did with Froch?

Bruno beats Biggs because he had no power....

If Bey can find him..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Bruno beats Biggs because he had no power....

If Bey can find him..

Yep...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Herman Jaeger wrote:If he was never a force, why were so many punters picking Bute to comprehensively outbox Froch? Wasn't Bute the betting favourite in that one?

Next you'll be saying Biggs was never a force before Tyson destroyed him.

Bute is nothing special and never will be....Journeyman in an era full of talent..

That's a pathetic comment and sums up why the 'fans' are almost as much a part of modern boxing's problems as anyone else.

I don't see Ruddock or Biggs beating Bruno....

The notion is that Bruno was very good against stiff come forward Europeans that didn't move their heads.....

I know more about him than you..

None of that has anything to do with you call Bute a journeyman.

I will remember that the next time you decide to blow the trumpet about Floyd's stellar CV.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:None of that has anything to do with you call Bute a journeyman.

I will remember that the next time you decide to blow the trumpet about Floyd's stellar CV.....

When you get to know who guys like Slobodan Kacar are..

I'll care about your opinion...

If Bute (that Froch fought) was a journeyman, then so are:

Maidana
Alvarez
Guerrero
Ortiz
Baldomir
Mitchell
Gatti
Brussells
Corley

Kinda decimates Floyd's CV above LW, doesn't it??

Okay mate..

Defend it then.

I'm just working with your contention.

shenglong2015 wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Never a force, no power, demolished by Froch.

Load of nonsense.

Bute was very highly regarded fighter and was once a big force in the Supermiddlewight division.

Not to mention his pedigree at amateur level, check out his fight with Golovkin in the amateurs.....

My fear with the 35 year old Bute is that he appears to be oing the WBC route, which is going to be difficult with Groves fighting Badou Jack for he title.

If Badou Jack wins, he may get his crack at another title, however if Groves wins this could be detrimental.

Given that Groves may then take a warm up before fighting DeGale, and then the winner of DeGale-Groves may then defend against Callum Smith, it could be a case of Bute being frozen out of contention for 2-3 years, which makes it even more difficult given he will be 38 and have o have lots of fights in between to maintain his ranking.

Some sections of the boxing world however do feel that it is fair on balance, given that Bute wasnt part of the Super 6, and was able to hold and defend his IBF title for a long time, whilst not facing the best in the division, and was able to make a handsome sum doing this at that time.

He's never really beaten anybody............Bika is another poor world champion....Joppy was past it and the awful Andrade was robbed..

A stand up european who got creamed off Froch and Pascal the two best he's fought...

A) What does this have to do with Mayweather aside from the very boring points scoring that seems to go on every thread.

B) Froch did ruin Bute and his reputation but he was and is far better than journeyman level, I do wonder how much of him people have seen to call him a 'stand up' fighter, he was a very quick and fluid mover at this best.

It's an attack on the comment via pointing out the inconsistency and utter hypocrisy of the argument.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:A) What does this have to do with Mayweather aside from the very boring points scoring that seems to go on every thread.

B) Froch did ruin Bute and his reputation but he was and is far better than journeyman level, I do wonder how much of him people have seen to call him a 'stand up' fighter, he was a very quick and fluid mover at this best.

You can wonder all you like............

But I've seen enough of him to know he's nothing special......

Picked Froch to smash him early and I was right...

According to truss if you have so much as a loss on your record then you're a bum. Salido was a bum before he beat lomo. Then when he got the win his excuses roll out. The only fighters with losses he excuses are the ones who fight floyd. At least Bute took on the best. Berto is the second coming of Ray Robinson according to truss

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:According to truss if you have so much as a loss on your record then you're a bum. Salido was a bum before he beat lomo. Then when he got the win his excuses roll out. The only fighters with losses he excuses are the ones who fight floyd.  At least Bute took on the best. Berto is the second coming of Ray Robinson according to truss

Okay....

Not a bum, per se. But not quality either. Losses to Pascal and Froch made it clear he can't dine at the big boys table, and the work he made of beating Grachev (a lovely guy, but a real journeyman) indicates that he's closer to that than the elite. Tommy Oosthuizen had a glorified sparring session against Grachev, in between another of his episodes. Chilemba also gave Grachev the business when they faced.

No one has called him a bum....

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:According to truss if you have so much as a loss on your record then you're a bum.

Just assumed this was said because at some point you called him a bum. Fair enough my apologies, didn't bother to read up.

kingraf wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:According to truss if you have so much as a loss on your record then you're a bum.

Just assumed this was said because at some point you called him a bum. Fair enough my apologies, didn't bother to read up.

Always fun to see what is being attributed to me....

What's the difference between a 'journeyman' and a 'bum' then, Truss??

TopHat24/7 wrote:What's the difference between a 'journeyman' and a 'bum' then, Truss??

That your best answer? Any wonder you are routinely mocked and exposed on here.....?!

Journeyman - Is someone like who has the skill to give a test to a top fighter....

But lacks the quality to be one....

An awful lot of journeymen winning titles these days for my liking with the amount on offer..

Do I really need to tell you what a bum is....

It's hard to tell, the way you chop and change your definitions to suit your argument (generally to bolster Floyd somehow....)

You're boring me..

Fine by me. Nice to know what you actually think of Floyd's level of opposition though. Largely falling into the 'journeyman' category you've created for Bute.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Fine by me.  Nice to know what you actually think of Floyd's level of opposition though. Largely falling into the 'journeyman' category you've created for Bute.

I don't think it will be fine by you.........Unfortunately...

It will come back to haunt you every time you try to justify or elevate the creibility of any Floyd oppo that falls into your new 'journeyman' definition, i.e. someone with double-figure world title defences against fringe-world/gatekeeper level opposition that was eventually exposed when stepping up to the top level.

Can we make a TopHat/TRUSS Floyd discussion board that's hidden from everyone else? Boring as hell.

Why are you bringing me into this ???

I don't want to debate with him....

He's obsessed.

Sorry, I think you have to take one for the team, otherwise he may come back to the main board.

Scottrf wrote:Sorry, I think you have to take one for the team, otherwise he may come back to the main board.

Good job I'm a team player...