Blame TV and the Alphabet boys - Not the fighters !!

Famous crash years ago with a Delta Airlines plane that was initially blamed on pilot error.....They were coming into land whilst flying through a bad storm and rather than landing at an alternate location where the weather was better they obviously wanted to get home quicker......They ended up over shooting the runway with the Captain and several passengers dying in the crash !!..

Anyway the NTSB after interviewing the hierachy at Delta over it's company's Storm procedure found that "Pilots were encouraged not to fly through heavy storms"........The NTSB were astonished because what someone construes as "Heavy" is subjective......The NTSB concluded that Pilots needed "Boundaries". The crash led to changes of policy throughout the industry !!

Fighters need boundaries.............Keep hearing words like cherrypicking, cowards etc......But the fact of the matter is Boxing is a tough sport and If you can get away with TV companies paying you good money to fight garbage and the alphabet boys who sanction these fights are happy then it isn't the fighters fault........

Pointless saying Tunney did this and that..........Because we are in a different time.....A worse time for sure..

If Stevenson, Quigg, Brook, Wilder (I'll leave out GGG because all reason goes out the window with him) are told that If they don't fight a certain guy they'll be stripped.....They will have to fight him...

We all want to see the best fights.............But start blaming the right people for not getting them !!!.

It's great to have guys like Oscar who are extremely ambitious............But the majority want to earn a living in a hard business.

Agree to a point but we still as fans want to see a recognized world champion.

It is a hard sport but if having an undisputed world champ in each division means that there will be less fighters and a harder graft to get to the top THEN SO BE IT.

If you don't want to box choose another sport.

Car crash of a post this. A psychologist would have a field day. I'm guessing it develops into another 'Apologists For Floyd' thread?

Didn't you just accuse me of trolling on the other thread ??

Unbelievable..

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Agree to a point but we still as fans want to see a recognized world champion.

It is a hard sport but if having an undisputed world champ in each division means that there will be less fighters and a harder graft to get to the top THEN SO BE IT.

If you don't want to box choose another sport.

We all know we what we want mate............But we ain't gonna get it..

I blame the fans. Why do 8000 people buy tickets to watch Kell Brook show off his skills against a plodder? Obviously promoters will continue to sell rubbsh fights if people buy them.

Why do people believe Hatton is a man of the people, Haye is exciting and Bellew is interesting?

Its the same in football. 60% of fans are more interested in the celebrity and gossip side than the actual sport

Ricky Hatton bought me and TSMR a drink once.

It's not the boxers fault and by the same points neither is it the Alphabelts fault (let me finish They will continue doing what they're doing as long as they make money (like the boxer), if the easiest option is to collect sanction fees while letting the boxer pick soft defences then they'll keep it up.

We as fans need to vote with our feet (and therefore our pockets) what we won't put up with it anymore, the more we allow and make excuses for it happening then the more it will go on

(See Bellew/Clev II PPV)

Hatton was charging people 45 quid to shake his hand at an Italian restaurant down the road from me a couple of years ago

Good point about us fans..Lance..

Empty stadiums would mean no TV...

I blame TRUSSMAN55

TV has a huge role to play in this. Remember a good few years ago Sky were showing IBO and WBU defences on a seemingly weekly basis. Sky said enough was enough and they seemed to disappear from these shores almost overnight. They put the money into the game and so have the real power, but as others have said if you’re filling arenas with drivel why risk your fighters in tough match ups. When Hatton was in his WBU days Warren only let him off the leash when the attendances went from 20,000 to 15,000 and then to 12,000. The idea of promoters as fans is naïve, they will milk their fighters for as long as they can. Fans and TV would have to drive any change.
 
If Brook’s next defence is nonsense and is fought in front of 2,000 people instead of 10,000 I suspect all the fights Eddie was incapable of securing for Kell at the minute would suddenly become eminently makeable. Same goes for Frampton Quigg, if both find themselves making their next defences to empty seats on Spike TV their names would be on the contracts within about ten minutes of them taking their gloves off.

Rowley wrote:TV has a huge role to play in this. Remember a good few years ago Sky were showing IBO and WBU defences on a seemingly weekly basis. Sky said enough was enough and they seemed to disappear from these shores almost overnight. They put the money into the game and so have the real power, but as others have said if you’re filling arenas with drivel why risk your fighters in tough match ups. When Hatton was in his WBU days Warren only let him off the leash when the attendances went from 20,000 to 15,000 and then to 12,000. The idea of promoters as fans is naïve, they will milk their fighters for as long as they can. Fans and TV would have to drive any change.
 
If Brook’s next defence is nonsense and is fought in front of 2,000 people instead of 10,000 I suspect all the fights Eddie was incapable of securing for Kell at the minute would suddenly become eminently makeable. Same goes for Frampton Quigg, if both find themselves making their next defences to empty seats on Spike TV their names would be on the contracts within about ten minutes of them taking their gloves off.

Very true Rowley........HBO turned down Tyson v Ribalta 2 as a defence regarding it unacceptable.....

Adam Smith says to Eddie....Frankie Gavin won't wash for Brook............Hearn has a problem..

Rowley wrote:TV has a huge role to play in this. Remember a good few years ago Sky were showing IBO and WBU defences on a seemingly weekly basis. Sky said enough was enough and they seemed to disappear from these shores almost overnight. They put the money into the game and so have the real power, but as others have said if you’re filling arenas with drivel why risk your fighters in tough match ups. When Hatton was in his WBU days Warren only let him off the leash when the attendances went from 20,000 to 15,000 and then to 12,000. The idea of promoters as fans is naïve, they will milk their fighters for as long as they can. Fans and TV would have to drive any change.
 
If Brook’s next defence is nonsense and is fought in front of 2,000 people instead of 10,000 I suspect all the fights Eddie was incapable of securing for Kell at the minute would suddenly become eminently makeable. Same goes for Frampton Quigg, if both find themselves making their next defences to empty seats on Spike TV their names would be on the contracts within about ten minutes of them taking their gloves off.

Frampton's last attendance was way down on previous fights yet he picked up a bigger purse boxing under Haymon. Haymon's happy to over pay in order to sign fighters up to the PBC.

Haymon has a slightly different model at the minute, as you say he is looking to sign them up, so is running fights as loss leaders effectively. He will only do that until the point he has the stable he wants and the TV contracts tied up long term.  He'll want to start recouping his outgoings and then some at that point.

Glad to see you're still reading my car crash of a thread Haz...

Haymon seems to be on an ego trip......

My guess is he's going to wake and smell the coffee sometime soon..

Derbymanc wrote:It's not the boxers fault and by the same points neither is it the Alphabelts fault (let me finish They will continue doing what they're doing as long as they make money (like the boxer), if the easiest option is to collect sanction fees while letting the boxer pick soft defences then they'll keep it up.

We as fans need to vote with our feet (and therefore our pockets) what we won't put up with it anymore, the more we allow and make excuses for it happening then the more it will go on

(See Bellew/Clev II PPV)

You don't have to be defensive Derby......I welcome your opinion and you make good points...

Some of us didn't purchase Clev v Bellew......Not that those that did were stupid......SKY sell their products well and people believe the hype......

Cheers bud,

I didn't get it either as you knew it was the taster to see if PPV or these fights was viable. I wouldn't say people were stupid, just maybe a bit niaeve. Honestly don't think it will be long before we see another turnaround though as you read everywhere that people are tired of the way boxings going.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Glad to see you're still reading my car crash of a thread Haz...

It's not for your input to be fair.

What's wrong with fighters making soft defences every now and then? They have a limited time for their career so they have to make as much money as possible. Boxing would suck if fighters just sat around waiting for promoters to build up a challenger one or twice a year.

Valid point..

If everyone was fighting competetive fights then you wouldn't have to wait whilst the promoters build up a challenger, they'd already be there. There's far too much emphasis on the '0' these days and fans quickly write off a lot of boxers (especially the youngsters) when they have a loss, it's pretty ridiculous and stops the boxers themselves wanting to take the challenge.

Derbymanc wrote:If everyone was fighting competetive fights then you wouldn't have to wait whilst the promoters build up a challenger, they'd already be there. There's far too much emphasis on the '0' these days and fans quickly write off a lot of boxers (especially the youngsters) when they have a loss, it's pretty ridiculous and stops the boxers themselves wanting to take the challenge.

So if there are no so called competitive fights, what would you have the champion do? Just sit around for months at a time doing nothing?

I like competitive fights too, but fighters have bills to pay just like everyone else. If there are no big challengers to fight then go ahead, make some money fighting whoever you can fight.

Except there are better challengers out there for them (Brook had a lot more options than Gavin, Floyd does for Berto, Khan could be fighting better and so on, the list is huge)

We've all gotten so used to seeing crappy matchups that we're now making excuses for it and saying it's okay rather than slating the guys for it. (Cotto/Canelo for the MW championship at a CATCHWEIGHT is my case in point)

Personally I think we should all go back to blaming Nathan Cleverly for everything that is wrong with boxing

Reborn can lead the way again...

Derbymanc wrote:Except there are better challengers out there for them (Brook had a lot more options than Gavin, Floyd does for Berto, Khan could be fighting better and so on, the list is huge)

We've all gotten so used to seeing crappy matchups that we're now making excuses for it and saying it's okay rather than slating the guys for it. (Cotto/Canelo for the MW championship at a CATCHWEIGHT is my case in point)

I'm not making excuses for crappy matchups, I'm just making the point that champions should be allowed to make whatever defences they want to make every now and then. If they fought more often then I'm sure it wouldn't be such a big issue who they fought.

Fight who you want If you're from the USSR...That bastion of integrity...

Yeah but they don't fight more often than not and also if more fights were 50/50 there'd be better challenges