Ospreys 2015/16 Season

by wayne Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:43 pm

First topic message reminder :

Never done one of these here before, yet cannot do any worse than last years idiot.
Head Coach Steve Tandy
Backs Coach Gruff Rees
Forwards Coach Chris Gibbes
Squad Alphabetically
TYLER ARDRON 24 Back Row Rhodri Hughes 20 Lock
Dimitri Arhip 26 Prop PAUL JAMES 33 Prop
Lloyd Ashley (Peers) 24 Lock AARON JARVIS 29 Prop
Dan Baker 23 Back Row Ben John 24 Centre
SCOTT BALDWIN 27 Hooker ALUN WYN JONES 29 Lock
Adam Beard 19 Lock JAMES KING 25 Back Row
Joe Bearman 36 Back Row Brendon Leonard 30 S/H
Ashley Beck 25 Centre DAN LYDIATE 27 Back Row
Rynier Bernardo 24 Lock JOSH MATAVESI 24 Centre
Ryan Bevington 26 Prop Scott Otten 21 Hooker
DAN BIGGAR 25 OH Sam Parry 23 Hooker
Andrew Bishop 30 Centre Kristian Phillips 24 Wing
Jordan Collier 20 Back Row Martin Roberts 29 S/H
Olly Cracknell 21 Back Row Nicky Smith 21 Prop
Sam Davies 21 O/H Johnathon Spratt 29 Centre
Gareth Delve 32 Back Row De Kock Steenkamp 28 Lock
Hanno Dirksen 24 Wing Dan Suter 23 Prop
Mathew Dwyer 30 Hooker Gareth Thomas 23 Prop
Dan Evans 26 F/B Marc Thomas 25 Prop
Lloyd Evans 24 Back Row Rory Thornton 20 Lock
Richard Fussell 31 F/B JUSTIN TIPURIC 26 Back Row
Tom Grabham 24 Wing Eli Walker 23 Wing
Cai Griffiths 31 Prop RHYS WEBB 26 S/H
Tom Habberfield 23 S/H The following 2 are either temporary
JEFF HASSLER 24 Wing or with feeder clubs
Dafydd Howells 20 Wing Sam Underhill 19 Back Row
Oliver Tomaszczyk 28 Prop
The players in CAPITALS will not be available until after the first 3 games of the Guinness League due to WC call ups
The past 5 seasons we have finished 3, 5, 3, 3 and 4 at the end of the regular season, I envision us finishing around the same position this season.
We will also be without Bernardo and Suter for a while early season, we have recruited Tomaszczyk to cover Suter, Underhill came on as a substitute in the Saracens friendly and there were favourable reports about him. If we have injuries in a few key positions especially early season, that prophecy above could be out the window. There has been talk we have signed a T/H from NZ, who had a serious ankle ligament injury, we are still waiting on his rehab. It needs to be soon or we will have to rely on Jarvis, which is not a good thought.
Just to add we won our first 7 matches last season, against most peoples and my expectations, and it will be more of a shock to me if we win either of our first 2 matches this season. Too many missing through injury and International call ups.

by Stone Motif Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:26 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:I'm not really a fan of the One True Region slogan - I don't really see how it works either. I think that's a bit arrogant of Hore to make such a claim, and it's also derogatory to the other three (or maybe just two of them ). In other news the Ospreys Select lose at home to the mighty London Scottish - not exactly what you'd expect if this was the one true region.
Mikey, just to let you know London Scottish used 19 of the 23 players that they used against our development team in a match in the Championship against Bristol a couple of days ago, so basically it was 23 Full time Professionals, against one or two experienced and a load of Academy players in which the Professionals won by 4 points. So who do you think benefited the most from this match?

London Scottish. Perhaps Ospreys select would benefit more from having a few more professional players, kind of like the other teams are doing.
Mikey, Northampton did the same against us in an LV game a few years ago, there are very few of those first team players for Northampton still playing there, you did the same last year and now London Scottish this, from last year how many of your lot have made an impact in advancing towards either establishing themselves in the International arena or making a significant impact in Guinness League games (and I mean Games not game) there are quite a few from those 2 games that have for us, and perhaps more importantly it has shown us who will not make it. I will have a wager with you, that at least 4 of those inexperienced youngsters will make it into 50 Regional appearances for us and at least 2 will play for Wales one day, nearly as many as your team has contributed in 10 years of Regional Rugby, so going by past success I think I'd rather stick to our proven successful system.

Just having a look back through the line-ups from last year's LV cup so see if I was right in thinking the above One True Regional contribution in the post above was, in fact, tripe.

Now who should I see in those line ups, (just for argument's sake seeing as someone mentioned a magic number of four who will make it to 50 regional appearances and at least two who will play for Wales one day) but Tyler Morgan, Elliot Dee, Jack Dixon, and Ollie Griffiths.

Looks as though my tripe detector is working just fine then...

4 players making it through the ranks within a year or two is highly likely, Wayne; actually don't you have a player in there who was already played 50 games for the Ospreys? But really it should be more like 15 players pushing, and I doubt any region has that right now. What I was saying is that your prem select, in comparison to others is hopeless because of the players the selected. A stronger team would benefit the younger generation and there should be a distinct number of u20 and u18 players rather than an entire team. The dragons select is mostly former u20 players with some regional heads and premiership players - they have a competitive team. There's a few in there whom I don't believe will go on to greater heights, but they'll be transitioned out of the team in a couple years making way for the other next gen who also look capable.

I agree I think we have been poor with developing most players. But I guess when one partner isn't really contributing to their half of the team then it's going to be tough. Things are changing though and hopefully the signing of dross is over.

It's the reverse situation of our team, where decent young players hit a disconnect by coming into a senior side that is not up to it and never fulfil their potential. I don't actually think our development has been all that bad up to under 20 where we contribute lots of players, they just come into the wrong senior environment and find it difficult to push on. The only way to solve this is better coaching and recruitment, and you can't do the latter without sorting the former. The Ospreys will start to experience this cycle of decline as Tandy is not up to it and beeing carried by the likes of AWJ and Biggar.

by wayne Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:31 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
wayne wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
wayne wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:wayne,

What's happened to Delve, he's hardly figured is he injured or just not fitting in. I thought that would have been a really good signing for them this year, especially during the WC.

What an utter waste of money that was

Stone,

It seems to have been yeah but I am really surprised by it. I have always rated Delve and he has always been held in high regards by the teams he has played for, I really thought it was a good signing for them and like said expected him to show up a lot during the WC with their absentees.

I think Delve might do well if given the opportunity as the Ospreys have a good first team. I'd like to see him between Lydiate and Tips - but we'll have to face the fact that their No.8 jersey is blocked by two of the most worthless dual contracts in Wales (no offence Wayne). The regions have aired their concerns over some of these players being offered the contract as we were all under the impression it would be used to bring back the top Wales players.

Mikey,

That wasn't the only aim of them they were also going to used to keep players in Wales. Who are the two you are on about out of interest?
BW, I'll answer that Baker and King

I'll agree with King, he has never impressed me one bit, as for Baker he just hasn't seemed to have recovered his pre injury form but at what 22/23 he has plenty in hand and keeping him here in Wales is a good thing IMO.
Bedford, the problem with King, and this might sound odd is that he is a very good lineout option wherever he plays, last year he had to even play 7 against your lot IIRC, this was his first game selected in that position and Cudd was MOTM, he regularly played 4 and 5, first because of the indifferent form of Ianto (Ian Evans) then when AWJ was away, but primarily he was a 6, so giving us another lineout option and he was not bad in open play, and possibly more to the point in the case of Ianto he was not a penalty magnate.
As I said in other posts I would willingly have the DC taken from him Thornton and Baker to keep any two of AWJ, Biggar and Webb, it is imperative in my eyes to keep them 3, as I said in an earlier post there is some good news coming on this front, (did you see who from the WRU coaching staff was at our game yesterday) not just about my Region.
This series of games is the first series of games King has played as an 8, perhaps this is of Gatland's making.

King and Baker are indeed the players I referred to. The regions are concerned because they were hopeful of the money being used to help bring back the likes of Halfpenny, Davies, Roberts, etc... And perhaps even lure the likes of Moriarty and Francis. Now don't get me wrong I think Baker still has potential, but he's not really playing well and neither player was on any French radar - and likely won't be for a good while.

Mikey I entirely agree with your final sentence and not only does it apply to those 2 it applies to the other 2 Ospreys given DCs Thornton and Baldwin, but AWJ, Biggar and Webb could be enticed, but apparently Charteris and the font of all knowledge from your board think otherwise, but as I said earlier lets just wait and see.

by bedfordwelsh Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:31 am

VinceWLB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Horses for courses and Sam suits our (Wales) current style and I thought he had a great WC

Wales, Wales, Wales.......

Warburton is I reckon one of the few Welsh forwards who'd get in one of the big three SH teams.

Now that McCaw retired possibly but no way does he make the Aussie nor the SA (who much prefer bigger guys) teams.

The only player i'm confident would make one of the big 3 SH teams is AWJ and thats not in the SA pack.

Vince,

Not quite sure why you think Warburton doesn't stack up (size wise) against the Boks.

Warburton is listed as 6ft3 16st 10

Burger 6ft4 17st 13
Louw 6ft 3 17st 3
Vermuelen 6ft3 18st 4

He's giving a bit weight wise to Vermuelen but then agian he's not an 8, there not much in it with the regards the other 2.

by VinceWLB Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:32 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Horses for courses and Sam suits our (Wales) current style and I thought he had a great WC

Wales, Wales, Wales.......

Warburton is I reckon one of the few Welsh forwards who'd get in one of the big three SH teams.

Now that McCaw retired possibly but no way does he make the Aussie nor the SA (who much prefer bigger guys) teams.

The only player i'm confident would make one of the big 3 SH teams is AWJ and thats not in the SA pack.

Pocock is streets ahead of any other seven but Warburton is certainly up there with any of the others. AWJ is the only other real certainty, possibly Faletau but not as an 8.

You should know by now Stone that everybody hates Welsh players, even the good ones, and regularly beating the teams still won't convince them otherwise.

Wasn't hating on any Welsh player, quite the opposite. It seem as though the RWC wasn't enough of a reality check that there is still a huge gap between SH and NH teams.

by Stone Motif Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:35 am

VinceWLB wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Horses for courses and Sam suits our (Wales) current style and I thought he had a great WC

Wales, Wales, Wales.......

Warburton is I reckon one of the few Welsh forwards who'd get in one of the big three SH teams.

Now that McCaw retired possibly but no way does he make the Aussie nor the SA (who much prefer bigger guys) teams.

The only player i'm confident would make one of the big 3 SH teams is AWJ and thats not in the SA pack.

Pocock is streets ahead of any other seven but Warburton is certainly up there with any of the others. AWJ is the only other real certainty, possibly Faletau but not as an 8.

You should know by now Stone that everybody hates Welsh players, even the good ones, and regularly beating the teams still won't convince them otherwise.

Wasn't hating on any Welsh player, quite the opposite. It seem as though the RWC wasn't enough of a reality check that there is still a huge gap between SH and NH teams.

Eh? Reality check? What part of saying very few of our forwards are world class requires one of those then?

by VinceWLB Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:38 am

bedfordwelsh wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Horses for courses and Sam suits our (Wales) current style and I thought he had a great WC

Wales, Wales, Wales.......

Warburton is I reckon one of the few Welsh forwards who'd get in one of the big three SH teams.

Now that McCaw retired possibly but no way does he make the Aussie nor the SA (who much prefer bigger guys) teams.

The only player i'm confident would make one of the big 3 SH teams is AWJ and thats not in the SA pack.

Vince,

Not quite sure why you think Warburton doesn't stack up (size wise) against the Boks.

Warburton is listed as 6ft3 16st 10

Burger 6ft4 17st 13
Louw 6ft 3 17st 3
Vermuelen 6ft3 18st 4

He's giving a bit weight wise to Vermuelen but then agian he's not an 8, there not much in it with the regards the other 2.

Here http://www.pro12rugby.com/teams/blues/squad.php?player=33335&includeref=dynamic#WV8Pyo1E3PfcgjbG.97
he is only listed 15st 8lb! your figure must have been after a big pre season without much cardio workout.

Anyway my point was more that SA almost never plays a traditional 7, Heinrish Brussow being one of the few i'm aware of.

by VinceWLB Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:42 am

Stone Motif wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Horses for courses and Sam suits our (Wales) current style and I thought he had a great WC

Wales, Wales, Wales.......

Warburton is I reckon one of the few Welsh forwards who'd get in one of the big three SH teams.

Now that McCaw retired possibly but no way does he make the Aussie nor the SA (who much prefer bigger guys) teams.

The only player i'm confident would make one of the big 3 SH teams is AWJ and thats not in the SA pack.

Pocock is streets ahead of any other seven but Warburton is certainly up there with any of the others. AWJ is the only other real certainty, possibly Faletau but not as an 8.

You should know by now Stone that everybody hates Welsh players, even the good ones, and regularly beating the teams still won't convince them otherwise.

Wasn't hating on any Welsh player, quite the opposite. It seem as though the RWC wasn't enough of a reality check that there is still a huge gap between SH and NH teams.

Eh? Reality check? What part of saying very few of our forwards are world class requires one of those then?

Seemed like my post was seen as hate towards Welsh players, which wasn't the case, at all.

by BamBam Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:58 am

AWJ would not get in the NZ/SA teams, possibly Oz

by wayne Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:02 am

VinceWLB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Horses for courses and Sam suits our (Wales) current style and I thought he had a great WC

Wales, Wales, Wales.......

Warburton is I reckon one of the few Welsh forwards who'd get in one of the big three SH teams.

Now that McCaw retired possibly but no way does he make the Aussie nor the SA (who much prefer bigger guys) teams.

The only player i'm confident would make one of the big 3 SH teams is AWJ and thats not in the SA pack.

Pocock is streets ahead of any other seven but Warburton is certainly up there with any of the others. AWJ is the only other real certainty, possibly Faletau but not as an 8.

You should know by now Stone that everybody hates Welsh players, even the good ones, and regularly beating the teams still won't convince them otherwise.

Wasn't hating on any Welsh player, quite the opposite. It seem as though the RWC wasn't enough of a reality check that there is still a huge gap between SH and NH teams.

Eh? Reality check? What part of saying very few of our forwards are world class requires one of those then?

Seemed like my post was seen as hate towards Welsh players, which wasn't the case, at all.

Vince if your post was seen as hate towards Welsh players, then I'm as guilty as you.
I've already stated my position, he wouldn't get in our team under our game plan, but would under the Gatland one, and to suggest he would get in any of the SH teams is laughable, even now with McCaw retired he still wouldn't get in their team Sam Cane is a much better O/S and he is only 23, with Pocock, Hooper, and Smith before them, Burger and Broussow for SA, if he played in any of those countries it is unlikely he would have 10 caps, and he would only have them because of injuries

by wayne Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:10 am

Stone Motif wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:I'm not really a fan of the One True Region slogan - I don't really see how it works either. I think that's a bit arrogant of Hore to make such a claim, and it's also derogatory to the other three (or maybe just two of them ). In other news the Ospreys Select lose at home to the mighty London Scottish - not exactly what you'd expect if this was the one true region.
Mikey, just to let you know London Scottish used 19 of the 23 players that they used against our development team in a match in the Championship against Bristol a couple of days ago, so basically it was 23 Full time Professionals, against one or two experienced and a load of Academy players in which the Professionals won by 4 points. So who do you think benefited the most from this match?

London Scottish. Perhaps Ospreys select would benefit more from having a few more professional players, kind of like the other teams are doing.
Mikey, Northampton did the same against us in an LV game a few years ago, there are very few of those first team players for Northampton still playing there, you did the same last year and now London Scottish this, from last year how many of your lot have made an impact in advancing towards either establishing themselves in the International arena or making a significant impact in Guinness League games (and I mean Games not game) there are quite a few from those 2 games that have for us, and perhaps more importantly it has shown us who will not make it. I will have a wager with you, that at least 4 of those inexperienced youngsters will make it into 50 Regional appearances for us and at least 2 will play for Wales one day, nearly as many as your team has contributed in 10 years of Regional Rugby, so going by past success I think I'd rather stick to our proven successful system.

Just having a look back through the line-ups from last year's LV cup so see if I was right in thinking the above One True Regional contribution in the post above was, in fact, tripe.

Now who should I see in those line ups, (just for argument's sake seeing as someone mentioned a magic number of four who will make it to 50 regional appearances and at least two who will play for Wales one day) but Tyler Morgan, Elliot Dee, Jack Dixon, and Ollie Griffiths.

Looks as though my tripe detector is working just fine then...

Why do you have to LIE to try to win a point, did those four play that night ? You talk tripe, so yes in a way your tripe detector is working, only in REVERSE.

by Stone Motif Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:27 am

wayne wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:I'm not really a fan of the One True Region slogan - I don't really see how it works either. I think that's a bit arrogant of Hore to make such a claim, and it's also derogatory to the other three (or maybe just two of them ). In other news the Ospreys Select lose at home to the mighty London Scottish - not exactly what you'd expect if this was the one true region.
Mikey, just to let you know London Scottish used 19 of the 23 players that they used against our development team in a match in the Championship against Bristol a couple of days ago, so basically it was 23 Full time Professionals, against one or two experienced and a load of Academy players in which the Professionals won by 4 points. So who do you think benefited the most from this match?

London Scottish. Perhaps Ospreys select would benefit more from having a few more professional players, kind of like the other teams are doing.
Mikey, Northampton did the same against us in an LV game a few years ago, there are very few of those first team players for Northampton still playing there, you did the same last year and now London Scottish this, from last year how many of your lot have made an impact in advancing towards either establishing themselves in the International arena or making a significant impact in Guinness League games (and I mean Games not game) there are quite a few from those 2 games that have for us, and perhaps more importantly it has shown us who will not make it. I will have a wager with you, that at least 4 of those inexperienced youngsters will make it into 50 Regional appearances for us and at least 2 will play for Wales one day, nearly as many as your team has contributed in 10 years of Regional Rugby, so going by past success I think I'd rather stick to our proven successful system.

Just having a look back through the line-ups from last year's LV cup so see if I was right in thinking the above One True Regional contribution in the post above was, in fact, tripe.

Now who should I see in those line ups, (just for argument's sake seeing as someone mentioned a magic number of four who will make it to 50 regional appearances and at least two who will play for Wales one day) but Tyler Morgan, Elliot Dee, Jack Dixon, and Ollie Griffiths.

Looks as though my tripe detector is working just fine then...
Why do you have to LIE to try to win a point, did those four play that night ? You talk tripe, so yes in a way your tripe detector is working, only in REVERSE.

Rightio, so when it is proven that the Dragons have met your own arbitrary target for assessing effective development of players, rather than man up and admit you were talking rubbish you want to have a hissy fit. Meanwhile,back on planet earth where WRUburton would start every single match he was available ahead of Johnny Blue Hat were he a Swansea player, we'll just note you were talking cobblers and move on.

by Steffan Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:56 am

Wow...the Newport Dregons contingent on here are really are going for it with supporters other teams on here nowadays

Not sure mocking an Ospreys fan about lack of success makes sense mind...its a bit like Paul Gallagher telling Noel and Liam that they make rubbish music

by Stone Motif Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:01 am

Steffan wrote:Wow...the Newport Dregons contingent on here are really are going for it with supporters other teams on here nowadays

Not sure mocking an Ospreys fan about lack of success makes sense mind...its a bit like Paul Gallagher telling Noel and Liam that they make rubbish music

How did Conty get on with their five Cardiff freebies this weekend?

by Steffan Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:06 am

Stone Motif wrote:
Steffan wrote:Wow...the Newport Dregons contingent on here are really are going for it with supporters other teams on here nowadays

Not sure mocking an Ospreys fan about lack of success makes sense mind...its a bit like Paul Gallagher telling Noel and Liam that they make rubbish music

How did Conty get on with their five Cardiff freebies this weekend?

Lost. It is becoming a bad habit recently. Then again I guess if were winning the league by miles you would find some way to disregard any achievement

I'm sure its just a bad patch. Bit like the one the Dregans have had for the last 12 years...

by Stone Motif Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:21 am

Steffan wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Steffan wrote:Wow...the Newport Dregons contingent on here are really are going for it with supporters other teams on here nowadays

Not sure mocking an Ospreys fan about lack of success makes sense mind...its a bit like Paul Gallagher telling Noel and Liam that they make rubbish music

How did Conty get on with their five Cardiff freebies this weekend?
Lost. It is becoming a bad habit recently. Then again I guess if were winning the league by miles you would find some way to disregard any achievement

I'm sure its just a bad patch. Bit like the one the Dregans have had for the last 12 years...

Yeah, but then we don't get a load of players free, from a better team, every week so a pretty stupid comparison.

by Steffan Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:41 am

Stone Motif wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Steffan wrote:Wow...the Newport Dregons contingent on here are really are going for it with supporters other teams on here nowadays

Not sure mocking an Ospreys fan about lack of success makes sense mind...its a bit like Paul Gallagher telling Noel and Liam that they make rubbish music

How did Conty get on with their five Cardiff freebies this weekend?
Lost. It is becoming a bad habit recently. Then again I guess if were winning the league by miles you would find some way to disregard any achievement

I'm sure its just a bad patch. Bit like the one the Dregans have had for the last 12 years...

Yeah, but then we don't get a load of players free, from a better team, every week so a pretty stupid comparison.

Look, it is simple:

Ponty get free players from Cardiff Blues and still moan about being a feeder club

Dregons get a shed load of money from the WRU and do...well...nothing really

How many games have to been to this season by the way (including any matches from your Premiership Selection box thingy team)?

by Guest Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:42 am

Steffan wrote:Wow...the Newport Dregons contingent on here are really are going for it with supporters other teams on here nowadays

I'll teach you another word for your hicktionary. Hypocrite.

by Steffan Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:03 am

Risca Rev wrote:
Steffan wrote:Wow...the Newport Dregons contingent on here are really are going for it with supporters other teams on here nowadays

I'll teach you another word for your hicktionary

Not sure if this is another one of your ways at making fun of my mild Dyslexia or not

I'm sure your parents must be proud either way thumbsup

by Guest Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:11 am

Yeah they are proud thanks.

So the fact you constantly talk about other peoples' teams is clearly lost on you.

by Steffan Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:20 am

Risca Rev wrote:Yeah they are proud thanks

Good. I hope if one day you give them grandchildren they don't have something like Dyslexia and get mocked by people like you because of poor ongoing English skills...

Risca Rev wrote:So the fact you constantly talk about other peoples' teams is clearly lost on you

We can all talk about other peoples teams. This is a free for all forum is it not (within the house rules)

Just find it funny you Dregons (that's a deliberate spelling mistake by the way so no need to correct

) supporters on here seem to be the first to rip into every other Welsh team at any given chance

When you have won a league and produced many players for the national team then you can all have a bit more bark to your bite

Even the Blues and Ospreys supporters I know have started calling for your regional heads. I advise you to keep them down

by mikey_dragon Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:36 am

All of the regional crowd on here rip into one another's team as well as their own, they're all pretty crap right now. Ponty aren't often on the bitch radar as they're pretty small time.

by Guest Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:40 am

Steffan wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:Yeah they are proud thanks
Good. I hope if one day you give them grandchildren they don't have something like Dyslexia and get mocked by people like you because of poor ongoing English skills...

Risca Rev wrote:So the fact you constantly talk about other peoples' teams is clearly lost on you
We can all talk about other peoples teams. This is a free for all forum is it not (within the house rules)

Just find it funny you Dregons (that's a deliberate spelling mistake by the way so no need to correct ) supporters on here seem to be the first to rip into every other Welsh team at any given chance

When you have won a league and produced many players for the national team then you can all have a bit more bark to your bite

Even the Blues and Ospreys supporters I know have started calling for your regional heads. I advise you to keep them down

As opposed to your parents being proud of a homophobe like you (implying Stone and I were boyfriends).

So if it's a free for all forum, it's a bit nonsensical for you to mention about Dragons' supporters alleged posting habits.

I'd advise you to stop posting garbage. Why would Cardiff and Ospreys be concerned about shutting a region down?

by Steffan Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:42 am

mikey_dragon wrote:All of the regional crowd on here rip into one another's team as well as their own, they're all pretty crap right now. Ponty aren't often on the bitch radar as they're pretty small time.

True. If Welsh rugby were a gangster movie then Ponty would be the local crooks still hoping to make it as big shots

The Dregons would be the Fredo Corleone of the bigtime brothers

by Steffan Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:51 am

Risca Rev wrote:As opposed to your parents being proud of a homophobe like you (implying Stone and I were boyfriends)

It was a mere joke as you two always had a habit of posting at the same time and backing each other up

I am not a homophobe and how you or any other man lives their life is of no concern or offense to me

I served my ban for it anyway so that is done and dusted. You haven't been reprimanded once yet for making fun of my Dyslexia so count yourself lucky

Risca Rev wrote:I'd advise you to stop posting garbage. Why would Cardiff and Ospreys be concerned about shutting a region down?

Didn't say they were concerned. Its just something that has been discussed in general rugby conversation with some of them

by Stone Motif Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:18 pm

Steffan wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:Yeah they are proud thanks
Good. I hope if one day you give them grandchildren they don't have something like Dyslexia and get mocked by people like you because of poor ongoing English skills...

Risca Rev wrote:So the fact you constantly talk about other peoples' teams is clearly lost on you
We can all talk about other peoples teams. This is a free for all forum is it not (within the house rules)

Just find it funny you Dregons (that's a deliberate spelling mistake by the way so no need to correct ) supporters on here seem to be the first to rip into every other Welsh team at any given chance

When you have won a league and produced many players for the national team then you can all have a bit more bark to your bite

Even the Blues and Ospreys supporters I know have started calling for your regional heads. I advise you to keep them down

It's not dyslexia though is it? You're just not very bright.

An Ospreys poster remarked on what he felt would be decent return on developing players from the LV then implied that meeting this target was one the Dragons would be unlikely to hit.

It was then demonstrated that like you, that poster was in fact talking garbage.

Leaving aside your not even rudimentary understanding of how pro rugby in Wales is financed, and yes the colossal hypocrisy you've displayed given Pontypridd are gifted far more than the Dragons get from the WRU by Cardiff a season, do you or do you not think Griffiths,Dixon, Dee and Morgan will hit 50 regional appearances with two of them going on to play for Wales?

by wayne Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:31 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:Yeah they are proud thanks
Good. I hope if one day you give them grandchildren they don't have something like Dyslexia and get mocked by people like you because of poor ongoing English skills...

Risca Rev wrote:So the fact you constantly talk about other peoples' teams is clearly lost on you
We can all talk about other peoples teams. This is a free for all forum is it not (within the house rules)

Just find it funny you Dregons (that's a deliberate spelling mistake by the way so no need to correct ) supporters on here seem to be the first to rip into every other Welsh team at any given chance

When you have won a league and produced many players for the national team then you can all have a bit more bark to your bite

Even the Blues and Ospreys supporters I know have started calling for your regional heads. I advise you to keep them down

It's not dyslexia though is it? You're just not very bright.

An Ospreys poster remarked on what he felt would be decent return on developing players from the LV then implied that meeting this target was one the Dragons would be unlikely to hit.

It was then demonstrated that like you, that poster was in fact talking garbage.

Leaving aside your not even rudimentary understanding of how pro rugby in Wales is financed, and yes the colossal hypocrisy you've displayed given Pontypridd are gifted far more than the Dragons get from the WRU by Cardiff a season, do you or do you not think Griffiths,Dixon, Dee and Morgan will hit 50 regional appearances with two of them going on to play for Wales?

The problem is and I highlighted it yesterday evening, that ALL those 4 were NOT in the match day squad for the LV stated, there is nothing worse in my eyes than a LIAR, which I've proven you to be on a number of occasions, on top of which your Rugby knowledge is very rudimentary, never having seen Rhys Webb have a decent game, Justin Tipuric is only average and possibly the icing on the cake WRUburton would get in any SH teams, you then have the audacity to question somebody's intelligence when you have shown that you have very little yourself.

by Guest Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:50 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:I'm not really a fan of the One True Region slogan - I don't really see how it works either. I think that's a bit arrogant of Hore to make such a claim, and it's also derogatory to the other three (or maybe just two of them ). In other news the Ospreys Select lose at home to the mighty London Scottish - not exactly what you'd expect if this was the one true region.
Mikey, just to let you know London Scottish used 19 of the 23 players that they used against our development team in a match in the Championship against Bristol a couple of days ago, so basically it was 23 Full time Professionals, against one or two experienced and a load of Academy players in which the Professionals won by 4 points. So who do you think benefited the most from this match?

London Scottish. Perhaps Ospreys select would benefit more from having a few more professional players, kind of like the other teams are doing.
Mikey, Northampton did the same against us in an LV game a few years ago, there are very few of those first team players for Northampton still playing there, you did the same last year and now London Scottish this, from last year how many of your lot have made an impact in advancing towards either establishing themselves in the International arena or making a significant impact in Guinness League games (and I mean Games not game) there are quite a few from those 2 games that have for us, and perhaps more importantly it has shown us who will not make it. I will have a wager with you, that at least 4 of those inexperienced youngsters will make it into 50 Regional appearances for us and at least 2 will play for Wales one day, nearly as many as your team has contributed in 10 years of Regional Rugby, so going by past success I think I'd rather stick to our proven successful system.

Just having a look back through the line-ups from last year's LV cup so see if I was right in thinking the above One True Regional contribution in the post above was, in fact, tripe.

Now who should I see in those line ups, (just for argument's sake seeing as someone mentioned a magic number of four who will make it to 50 regional appearances and at least two who will play for Wales one day) but Tyler Morgan, Elliot Dee, Jack Dixon, and Ollie Griffiths.

Looks as though my tripe detector is working just fine then...

Wayne, you keep posting LIAR (in capitals like that too, for some absurd reason?), but Stone clearly goes on about lineups, not lineup. Even if he is incorrect on something, it doesn't really make him a liar (sorry LIAR).

by Steffan Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:07 am

Stone Motif wrote:It's not dyslexia though is it? You're just not very bright

Hard to say really whether I'm bright or not really

I got a 2:1 degree from a Russell Group Uni, averaged the highest grade in a module that was crossed over with a Masters programme and been offered a place at many top Universities to do an MA

That being said I guess intelligence is not all based on academic achievements. My lecturers and external markers didn't seem to think I was that "non-bright" though

Got promoted twice in my last job and was in charge of the team that administrated corporate accounts and I was on some of the biggest bucks there out of non-management staff. They didn't seem to think I was too thick either I guess

As for the comment about me not being dyslexic. No I just got diagnosed with that because the people who do the tests and along with teachers in school were having a bad day...

Grow up and troll off Stone

Feel free to add all this to your CV though next time you need to take it down Newport job centre Smile

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:41 am

Risca Rev wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
wayne wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:I'm not really a fan of the One True Region slogan - I don't really see how it works either. I think that's a bit arrogant of Hore to make such a claim, and it's also derogatory to the other three (or maybe just two of them ). In other news the Ospreys Select lose at home to the mighty London Scottish - not exactly what you'd expect if this was the one true region.
Mikey, just to let you know London Scottish used 19 of the 23 players that they used against our development team in a match in the Championship against Bristol a couple of days ago, so basically it was 23 Full time Professionals, against one or two experienced and a load of Academy players in which the Professionals won by 4 points. So who do you think benefited the most from this match?

London Scottish. Perhaps Ospreys select would benefit more from having a few more professional players, kind of like the other teams are doing.
Mikey, Northampton did the same against us in an LV game a few years ago, there are very few of those first team players for Northampton still playing there, you did the same last year and now London Scottish this, from last year how many of your lot have made an impact in advancing towards either establishing themselves in the International arena or making a significant impact in Guinness League games (and I mean Games not game) there are quite a few from those 2 games that have for us, and perhaps more importantly it has shown us who will not make it. I will have a wager with you, that at least 4 of those inexperienced youngsters will make it into 50 Regional appearances for us and at least 2 will play for Wales one day, nearly as many as your team has contributed in 10 years of Regional Rugby, so going by past success I think I'd rather stick to our proven successful system.

Just having a look back through the line-ups from last year's LV cup so see if I was right in thinking the above One True Regional contribution in the post above was, in fact, tripe.

Now who should I see in those line ups, (just for argument's sake seeing as someone mentioned a magic number of four who will make it to 50 regional appearances and at least two who will play for Wales one day) but Tyler Morgan, Elliot Dee, Jack Dixon, and Ollie Griffiths.

Looks as though my tripe detector is working just fine then...

Wayne, you keep posting LIAR (in capitals like that too, for some absurd reason?), but Stone clearly goes on about lineups, not lineup. Even if he is incorrect on something, it doesn't really make him a liar (sorry LIAR).

Rev, read his reply, and it plainly said line-ups from last years LV cup, that is the line -ups from both teams, the 4 players he mentioned, Morgan, Dee, Dixon and Griffiths, go and see the team line -ups and come back and tell me if all those 4 were in the match day squad.
This is not the first time I've accused him of being a liar (LIAR) AND PROVEN IT. Furthermore earlier in this debate he stated Delve was on £200,000 and it was a total waste of money, he said he got the information from an Osprey fan. One of the recent DCs who I would say would be on more than the other 3 is on that sort of money, to suggest that a 30 something odd who was only bought to cover the WC and other International periods is on the same kind of money, with our financial constraints is frankly ridiculous, and I know is a LIE.

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:58 am

Again, if he has been passed info off an Ospreys supporter, you can't accuse him of lying. He might be incorrect, but it's not a lie.

Why would he mention line ups including the Ospreys one? The four he mentioned were obviously not in an Ospreys team, so I doubt he would include your line up somehow.

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:48 am

Risca Rev wrote:Again, if he has been passed info off an Ospreys supporter, you can't accuse him of lying. He might be incorrect, but it's not a lie.

Why would he mention line ups including the Ospreys one? The four he mentioned were obviously not in an Ospreys team, so I doubt he would include your line up somehow.

I'm sorry your either trying to be awkward or your thick, I mentioned the specific match and said about 4 of your players, he came back with those 4 names Morgan, Dixon, Dee and Griffiths and called my information tripe.
To put the record straight Jack Dixon was NOT in your squad, he had made a song and dance about my information being tripe, he hadn't the gumption to go and check if Dixon was in there, so it was a LIE.
I've already said on this topic, when I give information I have it from the horses mouth, he made that figure up about Delve just to cause embarrassment, he doesn't need to do that we feel bad enough about that signing already, and really what would he gain by saying it, when your team have wasted Millions over the years on crap signings.

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:02 am

I can't help laughing at somebody suggesting I might be thick, when they can't differentiate between your and you're.

YOU'RE so far up YOUR backside, it's untrue. Wasted millions

by LordDowlais Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:14 am

Dragons as a region have been the feature of wasted millions in Welsh rugby, how much money has been spent on them to be the whipping boys of Celtic rugby ? If it weren't for the Italians then they would be always bottom, what have Dragons ever achieved ? Sod all that's what.

The thing is, if extra room was needed for another region in Wales and one had to go to make room for a north wales region or a valley's region then we all know which region would be for the chop, and risca rev knows this, that is why he keeps belittling the other three regions.

by mikey_dragon Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:24 am

Oh dear.

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:44 am

Risca Rev wrote:I can't help laughing at somebody suggesting I might be thick, when they can't differentiate between your and you're.

YOU'RE so far up YOUR backside, it's untrue. Wasted millions

You cannot answer the question, and the only response you can come up with is Grammatical, laughing

and yes over the years you've wasted millions on crap players.

by Stone Motif Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:02 am

wayne wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:I can't help laughing at somebody suggesting I might be thick, when they can't differentiate between your and you're.

YOU'RE so far up YOUR backside, it's untrue. Wasted millions
You cannot answer the question, and the only response you can come up with is Grammatical, and yes over the years you've wasted millions on crap players.

Our millions to waste though Wayne. You really are a coward, fanboy, illiterate fantasist.

by Stone Motif Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:07 am

Steffan wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:It's not dyslexia though is it? You're just not very bright
Hard to say really whether I'm bright or not really

I got a 2:1 degree from a Russell Group Uni, averaged the highest grade in a module that was crossed over with a Masters programme and been offered a place at many top Universities to do an MA

That being said I guess intelligence is not all based on academic achievements. My lecturers and external markers didn't seem to think I was that "non-bright" though

Got promoted twice in my last job and was in charge of the team that administrated corporate accounts and I was on some of the biggest bucks there out of non-management staff. They didn't seem to think I was too thick either I guess

As for the comment about me not being dyslexic. No I just got diagnosed with that because the people who do the tests and along with teachers in school were having a bad day...

Grow up and troll off Stone

Feel free to add all this to your CV though next time you need to take it down Newport job centre

I'll save you the embarrassment of getting to into a peeing contest over qualifications and salaries,suffice to say if you think a poxy MA or a junior position in accounts is worth singing and dancing about anywhere outside of Pontypridd, then no, you're not very bright.

by Stone Motif Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:10 am

LordDowlais wrote:Dragons as a region have been the feature of wasted millions in Welsh rugby, how much money has been spent on them to be the whipping boys of Celtic rugby ? If it weren't for the Italians then they would be always bottom, what have Dragons ever achieved ? Sod all that's what.

The thing is, if extra room was needed for another region in Wales and one had to go to make room for a north wales region or a valley's region then we all know which region would be for the chop, and risca rev knows this, that is why he keeps belittling the other three regions.

Lord D in irrelevant pile of toss shocker

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:27 am

Stone Motif wrote:
wayne wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:I can't help laughing at somebody suggesting I might be thick, when they can't differentiate between your and you're.

YOU'RE so far up YOUR backside, it's untrue. Wasted millions
You cannot answer the question, and the only response you can come up with is Grammatical, and yes over the years you've wasted millions on crap players.

Our millions to waste though Wayne. You really are a coward, fanboy, illiterate fantasist.

So, was Jack Dixon in your squad for the LV game specified?

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:08 am

LordDowlais wrote:Dragons as a region have been the feature of wasted millions in Welsh rugby, how much money has been spent on them to be the whipping boys of Celtic rugby ? If it weren't for the Italians then they would be always bottom, what have Dragons ever achieved ? Sod all that's what.

The thing is, if extra room was needed for another region in Wales and one had to go to make room for a north wales region or a valley's region then we all know which region would be for the chop, and risca rev knows this, that is why he keeps belittling the other three regions.

Incorrect Dowlais. Can you show me where I've kept on belittling the other regions please?

Always be bottom too? Was that correct last season, for a start?

If Dragons were chopped, I'd support another pro team. It's not hard to go a max of fifty miles down the road. But then again, that's just speculating on your behalf anyway.

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:10 am

wayne wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:I can't help laughing at somebody suggesting I might be thick, when they can't differentiate between your and you're.

YOU'RE so far up YOUR backside, it's untrue. Wasted millions
You cannot answer the question, and the only response you can come up with is Grammatical, and yes over the years you've wasted millions on crap players.

How are you so privy to the outgoings of Dragons?

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:31 am

Risca Rev wrote:
wayne wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:I can't help laughing at somebody suggesting I might be thick, when they can't differentiate between your and you're.

YOU'RE so far up YOUR backside, it's untrue. Wasted millions
You cannot answer the question, and the only response you can come up with is Grammatical, and yes over the years you've wasted millions on crap players.

How are you so privy to the outgoings of Dragons?

Why don't you have a look what this topic is named, there is only one Region named in the header, why are you trying to slide out of the questions that needs answering, as for your question you don't need to be privy to any of the outgoings of the Dragons to know of the wasted millions, all you have to do is look at your squads and where you've finished in the League over the last 10 years and see the pile of garbage that have represented you to know you've wasted millions.
Why don't we get back to talking some sense on here, just because you're a Dragons supporter you don't have to agree with everything other idiots post, I certainly don't agree with everything Maesteg Mafia and Shifty have to say and they are supposed to be Osprey ST holders now or in the past.

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:41 am

Oh dear.

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:42 am

Risca Rev wrote:Oh dear.

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:45 am

Yes, I probably should've just used that instead.

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:53 am

Risca Rev wrote:Yes, I probably should've just used that instead.

Yes, you should have if it applied, but you weren't quick enough were you.
Why do you need to fight other people's fights for them, he is big and ugly enough to fight his own battles

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:56 am

I don't. I'm telling you what my interpretation of it was. The trouble with you, is you're too pigheaded to accept that not everybody has to agree with you and that people aren't idiots or liars if they're wrong.

by wayne Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:01 am

Risca Rev wrote:I don't. I'm telling you what my interpretation of it was. The trouble with you, is you're too pigheaded to accept that not everybody has to agree with you and that people aren't idiots or liars if they're wrong.

So just answer the question, was Jack Dixon in the Dragons squad that played the Ospreys in the LV last season at the Brewery Field as your mentor said?

by mikey_dragon Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:03 am

Wayne what were you trying to say about Charteris earlier in the thread? You seemed to suggest he would be coming back to Wales when at the time it was being reported that Luke had verbally agreed to join Bath.

by Guest Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:06 am

Did I say he was Wayne? I'd hate for you to be a liar.

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