US Open Day 4 - Anyone coming to my Haase (or even Mahut) for a Knapp? (Everybody Wang Chung tonight)

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bogbrush wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Murray is a reactive player though. Aggression kicks in only periodically and not enough. Very frustrating I know and I can't see that changing now

You make that sound like it's involuntary but it isn't (by the way, aggression to the box kicks in just after every losing point!).

Well in a way it is involuntary. He plays a style that suits him and has long been ingrained in his psyche. Trawl back over the years through reports and forums and I don't think he has ever been labelled an aggressive attacking player. He has had odd patches but is a counter-punching type player. I would say that style is what he mentally feels at ease with and so is most employed. He can do aggressive but not to the extent I'd say that he has ever been seen as an attacking player.

temporary21 wrote:To be fair roger. Perhaps you'd like to volunteer for some day matches. ..  To be fair retirements through lack of fitness maybe but heatstroke  can hit anyonr

And to be fair to Roger, he has played (even though you seem not to have noticed) his fair share of day Slam matches over the years - not least in the searing heat of Melbourne Park.

I know this for sure because I was present myself for some of them. I particularly recall watching a match between Federer and young Aussie James Duckworth at the 2014 AO, when the mercury climbed over the 40c mark. Must confess .....as a mere spectator, I actually found conditions more of a struggle than either of the competitors did ....... so doubt I would have lasted on court for long !

More here .....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/australianopen/10570198/Australian-Open-2014-Super-cool-Roger-Federer-sees-of-the-challenge-of-James-Duckworth-in-round-one.html

The it should be known that heatstroke is something that can happen to anyone, especially if you have a long match in the day, not just a straight setter.
Its a serious thing, not something to be derided for,
Not everyone can pick and choose their events with no worry about money and little worry about a long match
Some need to play a lot, in nasty conditions to actually earn money, its like having a go at someone whos poor for having a bad diet, as though its something they can control.

In any case, its THESE tournaments conditions that are up for debate, I imagine Roger may well get a day match, when he can assess whether guys retiring through heat isnt "good enough"...

Or if maybe its just massively hot and guys are (rightly) retiring to protect their health, remember Azarenka at the US open? Carted off in a wheelchair...

temporary21 wrote:

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Not everyone can pick and choose their events with no worry about money and little worry about a long match

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Hmm, well that's true. But it's also the story of professional sport. You are presumably referring here to lower-ranked players who need to battle hard if they are to work their way to the top of the tree ....?? In much the same way that someone like .....er .....a certain Roger Federer did many years ago.....?

Nobody gets helicoptered in to the Number One (or even number two ...) spot. And nobody who decides to play tennis for a living has a gun held to their head if they don't like the conditions.

not playing this game anymore.

Its a bit unfair I think for someone who no longer has to play a lot to deride guys for retiring, guys who have to play a lot more in nastier conditions HAVING gone through it himself.

This isnt the first time weve had many retirements at the US, its a long american hc season and those guys play tornies inbetween the usual ones too.

To suggest its just "not fit enough" is very unfair to them I think... and id think that no matter who said it, not just because its one certain player...

To less stupid matters... Cilic is being taken to a fifth set now...

temporary21 wrote: not playing this game anymore.

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Opposing views are welcome here, and they often oppose significantly.

But it's a forum for debate, not a playground. I get the impression you don't realise (and quite possibly, you don't care anyway ..... which is fine by me) just how childish your use of this sort of phrase sounds temp.

Sock had cramps, not heatstroke, IIRC. Federer played Mayer in a Day match. Djokovic has gotten fitter. Fitness, especially in outdoor environments, plays an important role. Night matches have higher humidity, too. Heatstroke in US at night is also possible.

This is socks home slam, and he was in the match. He wouldnt retire unless it was serious, Sock also played quite a lot in recent times, including some doubles I think. A lack of preparation I thinks pretty unfair, the guys pretty fit it was just too much tennis he cant just gear up for the US open only...

This isnt really anything to do with Rogers ability in the heat, hes a different player, hes also got the years, and the money and the time to prep perfectly

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/03/jack-sock-carried-off-court-as-heat-and-humidity-take-toll-at-us-open   Yeah that looks a bit worse than some cramps.  The women's match have a heat policy in effect too so it's no surprise even very fit guys are having some trouble  especially if they're young