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Post by George Carlin Fri 25 Sep 2015, 7:55 pm

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ENGLAND v WALES
26 September 2015
KO: 20:00
Twickenham, London

Live on ITV1

Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Touch judges: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Television match official: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

126 Played 126
58 Won 56
12 Drawn 12
56 Lost 58
1,596 Points 1,456

B. Recent Form

6 February 2015
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
16 – 21 to England

9 March 2014
Twickenham Stadium, London
29 – 18 to England

16 March 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
30 – 3 to Wales

25 February 2012
Twickenham Stadium, London
12 – 19 to Wales

13 August 2011
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
19 – 9 to Wales

6 August 2011
Twickenham, London
23 – 19 to England

4 February 2011
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
19 – 26 to England

6 February 2010
Twickenham, London
30 – 17 to England

14 February 2009
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
23 – 15 to Wales

2 February 2008
Twickenham, London
19 – 26 to Wales

C. Teams

ENGLAND
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M Brown (Harlequins); A Watson (Bath), B Barritt (Saracens), S Burgess (Bath), J May (Gloucester); O Farrell (Saracens), B Youngs (Leicester); J Marler (Harlequins), T Youngs (Leicester), D Cole (Leicester), G Parling (Exeter), C Lawes (Northampton), T Wood (Northampton), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Vunipola (Saracens)

Replacements: R Webber (Bath), M Vunipola (Saracens), K Brookes (Northampton), J Launchbury (Wasps), J Haskell (Wasps), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), G Ford (Bath), A Goode (Saracens).

WALES
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Liam Williams (Scarlets); G North (Northampton), S Williams (Scarlets), J Roberts (Harlequins), H Amos (Newport Gwent Dragons); D Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies (Scarlets); G Jenkins (Cardiff Blues), S Baldwin (Ospreys), T Francis (Exeter), B Davies (Wasps), A-W Jones (Ospreys), D Lydiate (Ospreys), S Warburton (Cardiff Blues, capt), T Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons)

Replacements: K Owens (Scarlets), A Jarvis (Ospreys), S Lee (Scarlets), L Charteris (Racing 92), J Tipuric (Ospreys), Lloyd Williams (Cardiff Blues), R Priestland (Bath), A Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues).
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Post by Cardiff Dave Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:25 pm

Mike Brown rattled.

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:26 pm

Mike Brown's always rattled.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:27 pm

Mike brown is fuelled by anger

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Post by VinceWLB Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:27 pm

Another good call from Garces. If that was considered illegal Lydiate might as well retire.

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Post by Fernando Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

Penalty England at the Scrum again.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Another good call from Garces. If that was considered illegal Lydiate might as well retire.

Yeah he's having a good game

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

What has happened to the Welsh scrum? It used to be very good at one time.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

England dominating the Welsh at the scrum - great sign.

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Post by JmD Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:28 pm

Marler is going in at a huge angle, like he always does.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:29 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:What has happened to the Welsh scrum? It used to be very good at one time.

lots of questions over the England one in recent weeks too.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:30 pm

Marler is angling in but our forward momentum is getting the pens

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:31 pm

Garces is having a good game but the Lydiate call was 50/50. No attempt to wrap the left arm whatsoever. Other refs would have binned him.

Re Marler I think it's actually Francis trying to get in on Youngs as he isn't the biggest. Marler is staying straight and just slaughtering him whilst Cole has got Jenkins in his pocket.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:31 pm

Bish-bash, bish-bash, penalty, so far.

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Post by Shifty Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:32 pm

The Welsh scrum is going to be whats going to lose them the game. I can't believe Gethin Jenkins has suddenly become a bad scummager, I'm baffled.
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Post by Notch Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:32 pm

You very rarely see a loose head who won't angle in if he thinks he can getr away with it, and Marler is a normal loose head.

Good try for England.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:32 pm

Ben Youngs is having a stormer.

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Post by JmD Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:32 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Garces is having a good game but the Lydiate call was 50/50. No attempt to wrap the left arm whatsoever. Other refs would have binned him.

Re Marler I think it's actually Francis trying to get in on Youngs as he isn't the biggest. Marler is staying straight and just slaughtering him whilst Cole has got Jenkins in his pocket.

The last scrum was shown from an overhead camera. Marler was literally perpendicular to the rest of the players.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

Too easy.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

Great try for England. Johnny May always in the right place at the right time.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

Big big hit on Roberts.. that hurt the big guy and that can't happen often.

blimey what a close game.

oh and lovely draw to open up May and well finished by May too.


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Post by Duty281 Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

Jonny May!! Yahoo

Excellently executed move from the line-out, apart from one dodgy pass.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

Glad to Ben youngs having a better game this week

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Post by Duty281 Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:34 pm

Farrell justifying his selection with good, accurate kicking.

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Post by RDW Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:35 pm

Wales set piece falling apart

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:35 pm

Set piece for Wales unusually shaky.. we all know how this world class side turns it around though.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

Wales' hooker mouthing off to the touch judge at every line-out. Pathetic.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

JmD wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:Garces is having a good game but the Lydiate call was 50/50. No attempt to wrap the left arm whatsoever. Other refs would have binned him.

Re Marler I think it's actually Francis trying to get in on Youngs as he isn't the biggest. Marler is staying straight and just slaughtering him whilst Cole has got Jenkins in his pocket.

The last scrum was shown from an overhead camera. Marler was literally perpendicular to the rest of the players.

45 degrees at most. See the first scrum of the game too.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:36 pm

everything going our way at the minute

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Post by sportform Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

So much for the hype, this game is turning out pretty one-sided. England should go on to win this game comfortably.
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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

Bigger rattled

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

sportform wrote:So much for the hype, this game is turning out pretty one-sided. England should go on to win this game comfortably.

Nah, we'll man sausage it up in the second half

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm

Welsh scrum on top. Turning point?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:41 pm

sportform wrote:So much for the hype, this game is turning out pretty one-sided. England should go on to win this game comfortably.

Well England were 1/3 with the bookmakers pre-match. The only hype arises from the geographical rivalry.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:41 pm

If the tight head angles in then generally the loose head follows.

Biggar was unlucky with the knock on call.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:44 pm

Weird decision, brown was the tackler

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:45 pm

nathan wrote:Weird decision, brown was the tackler

Agreed.

Farrell and Burgess not talking in defence sees one up and one drift then Williams is straight through.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:47 pm

Have Wales thrown one lineout down the middle, they seem to be straight over their jumper or worse?
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:49 pm

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nathan wrote:Weird decision, brown was the tackler

Agreed.

Farrell and Burgess not talking in defence sees one up and one drift then Williams is straight through.

There's the inexperience then. could it cost the game still?

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:51 pm

That is the first half over with England being 7 points up. Lets hope for just as good a second half.

And England getting more tries. Yahoo Yahoo

I just hope i having jinx then right now.

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Post by Shifty Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:53 pm

Englands line speed is brilliant, and the Welsh set piece is poor at the moment. Still only 7 points in it and it can change easily. I don't think anyone would be surprised if you said before the game England would be ahead.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:54 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
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nathan wrote:Weird decision, brown was the tackler

Agreed.

Farrell and Burgess not talking in defence sees one up and one drift then Williams is straight through.

There's the inexperience then.  could it cost the game still?

Depends on whether Wales can stop their ridiculous "smash" routine in attack. The backs outside Roberts are sharp in space so they've got to get them the ball.

England need to stop the moronic penalties and need to just keep the set piece pressure. Missing touch is not an option again.

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Post by VinceWLB Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:54 pm

Why are you surprised with Gethin Jenkins performance? He never was a great scrummager to begin with and no wonder why he didn't last long in the top 14.

Adam Jones was a hell of a scrummager to be dominant with such an average scrummager next to him.

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Post by Shifty Sat 26 Sep 2015, 8:56 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Why are you surprised with Gethin Jenkins performance? He never was a great scrummager to begin with and no wonder why he didn't last long in the top 14.

Adam Jones was a hell of a scrummager to be dominant with such an average scrummager next to him.

He's not an awful scrummager, if he was Wales wouldnt of won the championships they have over the years. But he has been awful recently, or at least he's getting pinged a lot, the problem we have is James is injured and we have 2 tight heads on the bench.
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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:00 pm

Ever since they too the hit out of the scrum, is scrumaging as gone down hill. But he is still the best Wales have in his position. That is why he keeps getting picked.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:00 pm

Greater intensity at the ruck please, England, and hammer home that scrum advantage.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:01 pm

Isn't Gethin Jenkins leaving team Wales after this comp?

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Post by Fernando Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:03 pm

Launchbury on for Laws at HT

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:05 pm

Good start by england

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Post by Shifty Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:06 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Isn't Gethin Jenkins leaving team Wales after this comp?

I'm not sure he is knocking on a bit now.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:07 pm

Centres messing up a good move there.

Eng missing Joseph for sure.  So good.

Wales looking dangerous now.


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