The Stuart Lancaster Substitution Sweep Stakes

We all know that SL will use his subs around 55 to 60 minutes in, regardless of the game situation, so...

Put your (metaphorical) money where your mouth is. What game time and what changes.

15. Mike Brown (Harlequins, 41 caps)
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 13 caps)
13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 14 caps)
12. Brad Barritt (Saracens, 25 caps)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 18 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 33 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 51 caps)

1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 35 caps)
2. Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 26 caps)
3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 54 caps)
4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 26 caps)
5. Geoff Parling (Exeter Chiefs, 27 caps)
6. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 40 caps)
7. Chris Robshaw (captain, Harlequins, 41 caps)
8. Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby, 30 caps)


Replacements

16. Rob Webber (Bath Rugby, 15 caps)
17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 25 caps)
18. Kieran Brookes (Northampton Saints, 14 caps)
19. George Kruis (Saracens, 8 caps)
20. Nick Easter (Harlequins, 52 caps)
21. Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 25 caps)
22. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 15 caps)
23. Sam Burgess (Bath Rugby, 4 caps)

Wigglesworth for Youngs 33 minutes (injury)
Mako for Marler 54 minutes
Burgess for Barritt 62 minutes
Easter for Parling 65 minutes
Brookes for cole 69 minutes
Webber for Youngs 72 minutes
Ford for Brown 78 minutes
Kruis unused

Easter for Morgan 38' (injury)

Mako for Marler 57
Kruis for Launchbury 57'
Brookes for cole 57'

Ford for Farrell 63'
Burgess for Barritt 63'
Webber for Youngs 63'
Wigglesworth for Youngs 63'

LondonTiger wrote:Wigglesworth for Youngs 33 minutes (injury)
Mako for Marler 54 minutes
Burgess for Barritt 62 minutes
Easter for Parling 65 minutes
Brookes for cole 69 minutes
Webber for Youngs 72 minutes
Ford for Brown 78 minutes
Kruis unused

Ford for Brown? Reshuffle due to last minute panic?

screamingaddabs wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Wigglesworth for Youngs 33 minutes (injury)
Mako for Marler 54 minutes
Burgess for Barritt 62 minutes
Easter for Parling 65 minutes
Brookes for cole 69 minutes
Webber for Youngs 72 minutes
Ford for Brown 78 minutes
Kruis unused

Ford for Brown?  Reshuffle due to last minute panic?

yup

Wigglesworth for Youngs 25 minutes (injury)
Mako for Marler 60 minutes
Burgess for Barritt 2nd minute
Easter for Morgan 35 minutes (injury)
Brookes for Cole 50 minutes
Webber for Young's 50 minutes
Ford for Farrell 60 minutes

All these are too spookily accurate.

GeordieFalcon wrote:All these are too spookily accurate.

Come on GF, money where your mouth is - you've claimed before that you can predict his subs before even he knows!

Burgess for Barritt 40 minutes (Half Time)
Mako for Marler 55 minutes
Wigglesworth for Youngs 55 Minutes
Kruis for Parling 60 minutes
Webber for Youngs 65 minutes
Brookes for cole 70 minutes
Ford for Joseph 70 Mins
Easter for Launchbury 70 mins ish...

Mako for Marler - 55
Webber for Youngs - 65
Brookes for Cole - 65
Kruis for Launchbury - 55
Easter for Morgan - 60
Wigglesworth for Youngs - 60
Burgess for Barritt - 60
Ford - unused

Webber for Youngs - 50
Burgess for Joseph - 50
Wigglesworth for Youngs - 55
Kruis for Parling - 55
Mako for Marler - 60
Brookes for Cole - 60
Easter for Morgan - 60
Ford for Barritt - 75

Well have to monitor this and check it on Sunday...see who came closest.

I would make up some kind of complicated scoring system, but I can't be bothered.

How about ten points for smack on, zero if the guess is wrong and one less point for every minute you are out.

Work out your own scores on Sunday.

Prize is that you won and can say "I guessed when Lancaster was going to lose us the game" whilst still crying about the result (assuming you're English).

To be fair he is not the only coach to bring on the bench no matter what. Some of it is because certain players know they can give it their all for an hour(ish) and then they will be replaced.

In general the entire front row will have been replaced on the hour (see Ireland v Canada as an example). Five minutes later we tend to see the other forward replacements come on and a change at SH. The other backs on the bench often come on with 2 or 3 minutes left and bugger all chance to make a mark.

You see this week in week out at both club and international level.

Mako for Marler- 58
Webber for Youngs- 65
Brookes for Cole- 72
Easter for Launchberry- 67
Wiggles for Youngs- 60
Burgess for JJ - 68
Ford for Farrell- 74 or when its too late at least

Read some comments from Matt Dawson today that I found interesting. He was commentating on how England play in the last 20 minutes and how rarely they change the course of a game in that period - either turning a losing position into a win or really driving home a winning position.

He has a valid argument. some will point to the Fiji game as a case where we did - but really Fiji's fitness was not at the same level and they were out on their feet, somethingthey repeated yesterday but Wales were too knackered themselves.

We point our finger at the replacements and blame that - but really every team empties their bench in a similar manner to us.

Dawson's argument is that we seem to revert to a really narrow safety first gameplan in that period and do not play what we see.

I feel we are overcoached and their is too much reliance on players performing to a prescribed plan. We are not the only team thatrelates to. Heck Wales are like that all the time, and arguably only changed things against us because of the injuries and positional confusion. Irish posters moan constantly about how their team is unable to react or change when they have to chase a game.

The modern player is now a supreme athlete - but can they play rugby? Looking at the NH teams and SA you have to say no.

LondonTiger wrote:Read some comments from Matt Dawson today that I found interesting. He was commentating on how England play in the last 20 minutes and how rarely they change the course of a game in that period - either turning a losing position into a win or really driving home a winning position.

He has a valid argument. some will point to the Fiji game as a case where we did - but really Fiji's fitness was not at the same level and they were out on their feet, somethingthey repeated yesterday but Wales were too knackered themselves.

We point our finger at the replacements and blame that - but really every team empties their bench in a similar manner to us.

Dawson's argument is that we seem to revert to a really narrow safety first gameplan in that period and do not play what we see.

I feel we are overcoached and their is too much reliance on players performing to a prescribed plan. We are not the only team thatrelates to. Heck Wales are like that all the time, and arguably only changed things against us because of the injuries and positional confusion. Irish posters moan constantly about how their team is unable to react or change when they have to chase a game.

The modern player is now a supreme athlete - but can they play rugby? Looking at the NH teams and SA you have to say no.

Whilst I agree, I think the thing in Englands case is that these are the type of player the manager actively wants. But if you look in the prem teams...we have lots of players who ARE rugby players.

How disappointing, I was hoping this was about when Bomber would be substituted...

I had the very same idea.

I was going to mention Jake White being available.... like always.

Suspect Lancaster will bring Burgess on after half time at 6... In a bizarre attempt to counter pocock and hooper.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Read some comments from Matt Dawson today that I found interesting. He was commentating on how England play in the last 20 minutes and how rarely they change the course of a game in that period - either turning a losing position into a win or really driving home a winning position.

He has a valid argument. some will point to the Fiji game as a case where we did - but really Fiji's fitness was not at the same level and they were out on their feet, somethingthey repeated yesterday but Wales were too knackered themselves.

We point our finger at the replacements and blame that - but really every team empties their bench in a similar manner to us.

Dawson's argument is that we seem to revert to a really narrow safety first gameplan in that period and do not play what we see.

I feel we are overcoached and their is too much reliance on players performing to a prescribed plan. We are not the only team thatrelates to. Heck Wales are like that all the time, and arguably only changed things against us because of the injuries and positional confusion. Irish posters moan constantly about how their team is unable to react or change when they have to chase a game.

The modern player is now a supreme athlete - but can they play rugby? Looking at the NH teams and SA you have to say no.

Whilst I agree, I think the thing in Englands case is that these are the type of player the manager actively wants. But if you look in the prem teams...we have lots of players who ARE rugby players.

Yet Farrell is the chosen fly half, we play a flanker at centre, half our pack are 5/6s and Slade can't get a look in. I think Lancaster is looking for certain physical characteristics first and then trying to make a team. He certainly dislikes specialist players yet has to keep recalling the likes of Parling in order to makes his forwards coach's game plan work.